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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    The only way we are getting out of this is if people stop getting tested! Seriously...why on earth is a vaccinated person sending themselves to get tested!! Just stop and go on with life.

    If cases go down and there's only a trickle going into hospital it looks better and we might get out of this **** show because it's all about the optics to those in charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭darconio


    There is a medicine (made in Ireland btw) that can treat CV when you get the symptoms. Of course this would change completely the agenda of the governments and pharma companies, this would mean no need for green pass or vaccination for something that can be cured like a general influenza, and of course they won't bring this up on the 6 o' clock news.

    The medicine Sotrovimab has been approved by EMA, why they don't advertise this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The question, which has been asked, is whether plans are being made on, that NPHET modelling is the best decision maker. Now, nothing was ever going to change until the end of our vaccination programme so you can make sense of the first part of it. Otherwise, it's better to wait until the plan is actually published.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Firstly - the amount of commas in that first sentence makes it borderline unreadable.

    Second, the vaccination program has had its effects already - they arent going to get any better, if anything theyll get worse. u18s are diminishing returns, vaccinating them has very little impact on hospital admissions since theyre at such low risk to begin with. Evidence of waning immunity though will show that those at risk will become moreso over time - so there is 0 sense in waiting "till the end of our vaccination programme".

    Also does the vaccination program even end? If regular boosters are the plan, then it wont end.

    Honestly, you go to the utmost lengths to defend the indefensible its mad. Are you on the payroll?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It is really not up to me to instruct posters on the proper use of commas, it's a pause to separate ideas, and I likes me commas. The rest is just an angry, scattergun rant. I'm waiting for the actual plan but I guess you're not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,161 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    If NPHET came out and said we will announce a plan after St Patricks day because we need to see how winter goes, I suspect your position would be something along the lines of "Well, I don't like this, but they are announcing a plan next March and we need to wait and see what it says".

    Its August, they are kite flying about continuing this shite past christmas and people are still placidly being taken for fools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Where did you come across this knowledge about a wonder drug that can cure the symptoms of Covid?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think Donald Trump had the same idea back in June 2020, it didn't work very well for the USA if memory serves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,760 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    This medicine is provided via IV to patients admitted to hospital who are not yet on oxygen but are at risk of progressing to severe disease.

    The efficacy rate in trials was very promising, to the extent that some trials were cut short (not ethical to continue when treatment appears to be highly effective). This should help the situation.

    I'm not sure what you mean though about it not being reported, etc. It's a new weapon for doctors in a hospital setting. It's not a "cure" that is 100% effective in all scenarios. There have been numerous antibody style treatments developed and implemented by doctors on the front line throughout the pandemic. Methods of critical care have also evolved significantly. Not all of this is suitable for reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well that depends whether you think NPHET should be around next March. I don't think they should and would like to see them stood down, preferably this year, but they may be around a bit longer than that. Post-Christmas and assuming there is no disaster, even the more skittish in government will feel confident enough to ignore what they might say and take back control. I really don't see how this winter can be anywhere near as bad as last year with such high levels of vaccination but flu and COVID cases combined may provide a challenge to the health system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They've already taken away their daily 6pm tv updates, weekly meetings moved to bi-weekly and the next time they meet it will have been a month... Slowly winding down the public statements I think is definitely a sign of things to come



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Why isn't it given by GP's or nurse's, before it gets bad enough to go to hospital? Like in Nursing homes, home assitance etc.

    Trials say it can be given early with the onset of mild symptoms that can go onto be severe

    Why wait till it's severe eg hospitalised?

    HSE site says there is no treatment for Covid at home, to take rest and take some paracetamol to relieve fever

    Can medical personnel not give an IV in nursing homes, home assitance, house visits etc?

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/symptoms/treat-symptoms-home/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwpf2IBhDkARIsAGVo0D30wCEXYb0-Rwxuqb7dH5jAFU7sqRvzx5pPR8btChGhfzXbTJkGdGAaAiUXEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Does an article become incorrect depending on who shares them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well, to many of us the emergency is over but NPHET are always a lot slower at saying such things. If winter look like being a HSE management issue we may see them dissolved sooner although they are still too much of a blanky for the likes of MM!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭foxsake


    the person claiming to be his aunt is very identifiable. she is either his aunt or not and if not would have been exposed pretty quick.

    This isn't an anti vaxx campaign it's the guys family ffs .

    His death was on the news yesterday but oddly silence today over the claims he got sick and died quickly after taking a vaccine,

    I'd bet my house if he died of covid - the papers would use him as an example to all the young that you can die.

    It's not like the media have never ran stories on twitter status' before? funny how that works. the media in Ireland are trash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The team of 30 might be disbanded but the general advice will probably continue, just separately. A bit like how Luke O'Neill or Kingston Mills give their advice and predictions over radio and TV interviews... Could very well see some opinions we never heard before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭darconio


    I feel like you are taking the p1$$ but I'll bite anyway: thankfully I don't believe only in the mainstream information, I do my own research, and if only half of the population would do the same, we'd be in a better position by now in terms of freedom and relaxation of restrictions. Still if you want an official mainstream tabloid to tell you about this "wonder drug" : EMA gives approval for new treatment in fight against Covid (irishexaminer.com)

    It's not been reported as an official cure for CV. I am talking about that range of people (about 80% of the population) that will be unaffected by CV, but still if by any chance they get infected and their condition worsen to the point that they need to be hospitalized, they could be cured with this drug. I think this could be worth to mention in at least a 30 seconds slot in the 6 o'clock news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There's plenty of mention about his death, but that seems to be the only place mentioning he died form a vaccine... My guessing is that it's because it's complete and utter bullshit



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    you're penultimate sentence says it all..spot on 100% foxsake, there's no balance in Irish media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They've been flat on vaccination rates for months and we are now ahead of them so why would I do that? We also have stellar rates in every age group over 30.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,161 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You have just completely proven my point, you are now happily talking about next March, post christmas, this winter, wait and see, possible challenges etc etc.

    When any rational person would have responded by immediately rejecting the notion that next March should even be a possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The chief driving force behind government policy is cowardice.

    We are lead by small frightened careerists, completely devoid of gumption, grit, ambition or courage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eh, you asked me about March and I provided a perfectly clear explanation. This is really all your own projections on this. I don't even have an idea about next month but neither do you. I'm just trying to read the tealeaves! I genuinely don't get the need for people to be perpetually enraged. Waste of energy IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You think? I disagree, I think it would have been easier for the govt to have relaxed more restrictions, I think that what they are doing now is quite brave, keeping restrictions in the face of what is a huge public backlash... Before you get the pitchforks out I also think they are wrong on many many levels and with many of the decisions they make! But to keep restrictions at a time when the rest of the world are loosening them and the backlash that will inevitably follow on come election time, all for the sake of saving a handful of lives is not an act of cowardice



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder who has shares in these C0s monitors now eh! Last year schools were safe and though delta is reputed to be more transmissible, it's less deadly.

    Staines thinks he will be like the Leo Baekeland of C02 machines.."now ladies and gents, we put our samples into my own patented covid analyzer, and presto". A vaudevillian snake oil charmer if ever there was one.

    Experts warn schools will become COVID hotspots when term begins (msn.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭mightyreds




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    So the Irish Examiner reported it and it's actually being used...but you want it to be reported on TV? To what end? What's the benefit? Is every breakthrough treatment for all maladies reported on the TV? I doubt it. You post reads like one of those anti-MSM posts. "I do my own research." No, you don't. You Googled. The people you skipped over in the search results because you didn't agree with them actually did the research.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Surely the vaccine cert for indoor dining, or any other domestic purpose for that matter, should disappear soon. There is no justification for it when it only applies to a tiny minority of the population - a tiny minority that continues to shrink as the vaccine programme is coming to an end.



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