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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭the baby bull elephant



    Great news, there is no optimum/optimal progression or loading scheme. Loads of stuff works and has been proven to work. Eventually you might find what works best for you but that takes a bit of experience and is always subject to change. I would try a professionally made programme. There's some good free ones for beginners like 5/3/1 for Beginners and GZCLP.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    As a single workout, the set up there is suboptimal, but to be honest any one workout is not so important, it's what the broader programming looks like.

    If you are working up to a max double there, then yes, the warm-up sets there are too extensive. But ask yourself what the point is of working up to a max double - where do you go next time? What is actually driving adaptation and going to increase your max?

    (In some programmes there might be a separate day with quite heavy volume with the same lift, that's an approach... Or perhaps there is a lot of assistance and accessories designed to bring up the lift... etc)

    If you are not really sure then I would agree with the lads that it may be worth considering following something established and well laid out. A lot of popular programs are mentioned in the thread below.

    My person preference would be for people to run a 'linear progress' program like Starting Strength or Greyskull LP, and then next step would be something like 5/3/1 or Westside For Skinny Bastards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    if that was me, I'd be thinking 25-30 reps max ( I tend to think in 10's and 5's for reps) and space out the weight more , something like 10X47.5 , 2 sets of 5 x 57.5 and then 1 set of 5 x 67.5 , you would have more gas in the tank going into the final set so might get the extra reps, then each session or week add an incremental weight to one of the sets so that each week has progress

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    As Black Sheep said, just get on to a beginner strength programme. Less guesswork, more getting strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Question about 5/3/1 as I saw it posted here and I wanted to give it a try.

    It centres around the 4 main lifts, and says to work out 3-4 times per week.

    Does that mean the "Week 1" instruction for example is only done once for each lift? ie. If I start today with Bench Press, I do Week 1 and the next time I do Bench Press I'll be on to Week 2?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭the baby bull elephant



    So there's a few different templates of 5/3/1 and frequency of lifts can be changed for them. But yes most people structure it so that they have one bench day, one squat day etc a week.

    As an example the below is one of the most popular templates:

    https://www.jimwendler.com/blogs/jimwendler-com/101077382-boring-but-big



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty


    I've a question; how come I never get DOMS when I do push ups? Has anyone ever found this? Just this one exercise I can seem to do as much as I want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    If you did enough reps or put enough weight on your back, you'd get sore. You're probably doing similar amount of work each week so it's not really damaging the muscle and causing inflammation.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are calf raises holding the barbell in front at the hips ok? Figure it helps grip strength as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Yep, perfectly fine. Just be sure there is enough weight so that you work the muscle effectively



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol



    if you can load it sufficiently and if you can feel the tension in your calves as you do the reps then sure.


    2 questions that may change my answer

    would the grip would give out before your calves denying a sufficient number of reps?

    Also wondering how it would work for balance though - two hands on a barbell on front and moving calves through full range of motion like off a step - I'd need a spare hand for balance on wall / frame or something.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    If can hold enough weight to do the calf raises, grand.


    the only growth I ever got for calfs was doing 20 rep calf raises btw. This seems to be a common theme, calfs respond better to high reps. No idea why.

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  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can't load nearly enough on my back to get the same feeling I got on the leg press machine when doing calves. Same holding the bar low. The balance and that feels fine because it's basically the deadlift lockout position.

    Grip was the limiting factor today. Holding 100kg on the ends of my fingers for the final two reps. I want to get into bouldering when that opens again where I live, which is why I thought about doing this.


    I should prob go higher then. I tend to do around 12-15.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Full ROM, good tempo and being in being in proximity to failure is more important than a specific number… 12+ sounds fine. Agree quite high reps are better for calves as for some other muscle groups for accessory work for hypertrophy.

    With a movement like this you want stability and to be able to just focus on the muscle being worked. Tottering about to any degree, or resisting it, if I’m charitable, might be en vogue for an athlete into functional training, but for someone focused on hypertrophy it’s counter productive. If there is an element of instability or a grip work element going on then yeah, it’s not optimal. Holding on to the bar with your fingers doesn’t sound like that was ideal for the highest quality set you could do for your calves.

    I have done barbell calf raises before and I used straps. The balance element I addressed by putting my back to an upright on a rack. For added ROM I used a bumper on the ground.

    Personal view, let your warm up and sub 85% deadlifts be minus straps and then after that if you want to do grip work just do grip work, don’t take away from performance of other movements unless you’re really stuck for time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A Bench question, last couple of times now doing my highest weight set, my left hamstring started cramping, build up to was fine. I'd have been generally warmed up as I do OHP first, though not legs in particular. Form-wise go for an overall brace but not particularly trying to drive my feet into the floor. 2 off the top of my head solutions for next time, is bring a roller and do a couple of min on it first and or some warm up RDL's /Jefferson curls?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Are your hips lifting off the bench? If that’s not happening, then I’d try adjusting your foot position as that will modify stress on the hamstring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    No, 4 points of contact on the bench all the time, Ill check feet, possibly have them too far forward

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    The more I do, the better I ain’t. I might be overtraining. I had the same hr for a light run earlier that I had for my 15k pr a few months ago. 200k a month is my average but back then I was probably doing 150. Wonder if a week off would benefit the legs.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    So many variables with training, and some of them are hard to monitor unless you do it in an active way, and can account for a loss of performance over a protracted period. Work or family stress... Sleep patterns... Body weight fluctuations etc.

    I do think that if you get into a good multi month stride and start to hit all time PRs, whatever the discipline, it's worth bearing in mind that there is a peaking effect going on. Just because you go up doesn't mean you're not going to come back down. I regret, in hindsight, not listening to my body and deloading before I got ground down. I hit PRs in 2020 that I'm between 5 and 15% off at the moment, depending on the lift.

    Maybe if I'd eaten, rested and deloaded at the right time I would've done a better job of consolidating. But even though I've back-slided I guess two crucial things are that now I know what I can do, and I have the mental map to do it again.

    Such is training! Have to get back up that slope now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94



    More is not always better, as there’s a limit to what everyone can recover from.

    If you haven’t backed off in a long time then it might be worth taking a light week.


    Steve Magness is a good person to follow for running tips by the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Leg curls, any point? its one exercise I wasnt getting on well with, Would always get this sensation near the end like they were grinding the tendons behind my knees. Would I be right in saying they have no particular athletic carry over , or for compound movements as the hams are not being trained in their lengthened state and best drop it for an extra set of RDL's or some such? also looking to trim down my routine a bit, it was fine in July when everything was lighter so happy to drop some non essential stuff

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Regarding the "grinding the tendons" behind your knees... You're going to have to make a call on this yourself. People report pain and discomfort with a variety of movements. Sometime's it due to incorrect execution, sometimes it's just a bad fit for their body type and roster of injuries. With a leg curl most machines are pretty adjustable, it should be possible to properly set it up for you.

    I'm not sure how familiar you are with training using isolation movements, and particularly machines like the leg curl, but if you're doing a number of sets to failure then they can be pretty ... Impactful. I don't want to say painful, because people associate pain with injury in the gym, and that's usually correct, but a max effort set on a leg curl or a leg extension probably will feel pretty intense, particularly if you're doing them properly and really extending the negative.... Which is why some bodybuilders will talk about pushing into the pain zone to illicit progress (Dorian Yates has talked a lot about this over the years, particular as he is a high intensity training advocate).

    In terms of whether leg curls are a 'good' movement to perform - yes, by any metric, they're a staple of a lot of programs for good reason.

    I think the idea of "athletic carry over" is a a bit of questionable idea, as I've seen people performing wacky movements that achieve very little in the name of doing something they think has a more direct carry over to their sport. But for the sake of argument if someone is an athlete or wants to train like that then leg curls still have a place. You can do your compound lower body lifts first, say squat as a main movement and you do RDL for assistance, or whatever it is, and then you can move on to things like leg presses, leg extensions leg curls and to get further volume without beating the **** out of yourself and particularly your back (For example, you mention RDLs - a good assistance movement but can't slot in a high volume of them as an accessory without a price). This is the way all many of my lower body days are. A novice on a linear progression doesn't need to do this, but if someone has been training for a while then it's pretty smart I think.

    If you were focused on hypertrophy / physique then isolation movements like machine movements like leg curls would be even more valuable. The fact that it is an isolation movement specifically targeting the hamstrings is precisely why it might be of more value to you, if hamstrings are a focus, than a deadlift variant that involves a variety of others.

    Very easily used for particularly protocols like rest/pause, drop sets and so on also, can't do them safely for the lower body with free weights very easily.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Lately I've been going off certain movements that I've always tried to do when my programming called for them, but have finally admitted to myself that, for a variety of reasons, I am just not executing to a high enough standard that they are the best choice for me. I'm going to increasingly sub in other exercises that are "same but different".

    Barbell rows, for example. Try as I might, straps or no, I never seem to be able to establish a mind muscle connection with these the same way I can with heavy single arm dumbbell rows, or incline dumbbell rows. I have tried various fixes and my barbell rows "look" fine, but I can tell you there is no comparison to how I feel having done barbell rows compared to a proper heavy dumbbell row workout. Maybe I'll return to them in the future... Again...

    French presses are another one that have never done it for me. Many other overhead tricep exercises, no problem, but french presses are a meh one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I wouldn't see RDLs as a substitute for leg curls. One is knee flexion and the other is hip extension. Yes, it's the same muscle (or group of) but if you're going to sub leg curls for something else, perhaps just go for a variation of them instead. Maybe lying banded leg curls or something?


    There are exercises that I've had a problem with before but leg curls isn't one of them. I was shown on day 1 to tempo it like 313 or something and keep it in the 12-15 range. Staying with this has always worked well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    By the way, i kind of missed the bit about whether there's any point to them or not. I don't know enough about the human body to say if they'd add to your sprinting speed or kicking power etc but in my uneducated opinion, they're useful in so far as they're strengthening a joint and doing them may do more to prevent future injury than not doing them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94



    If you're just training for general strength, then I think any kind of hamstring-focused exercise is a fine substitute. There's nothing essential about leg curls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Im progressing to do more knee related stuff, weighted lunges and step ups, Ill treat it as more a mobility thing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I prefer doing a supported row, I just do a mixture of seated and dumbell

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Can anyone recommend some tshirts that won't smell terrible due to sweat. I've been wearing just normal tshirts that you'd wear every day but I've noticed they start to smell halfway through intense HIIT classes.

    Just had a look on sports direct website but my head is fried looking at them so any recommendations on what I should be looking for would be appreciated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭Patsy167




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