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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,855 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Errr so you are not here to participate and have enlightened discussion you are here to ‘set traps’ . I don’t think it takes any sort of genius to work out you are not exactly playing with a straight bat as relates to these conversations but it’s nice to have you admit it. Thanks ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


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    It's hard to keep up with the mental gymnastics going on here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Yes, why have Cork, with similar number of teams and half the population not received at least half the funding Dublin have? Why is it nowhere near half? It's because it was never split on a per head of population basis. The gap between the county with the least level of funding to the 2nd most level of funding was broadly similar. Only one county were way out ahead, that was Dublin. As you've admitted, funding plays a major role in improving standards. The Dublin only scheme lasted for nearly 2 decades. This explains the huge increase in titles gained and as I've noted before, the only surprise is that Dublin didn't win more, in fact it's embarrassing for Dublin.

    Every single Dublin senior club availed of this scheme. Again, no club outside of Dublin had access to this multi million euro scheme. These professional coaches made a huge impact to club football and hurling in Dublin and this led to a dramatic increase in standards within Dublin development squads. Long serving Dublin GAA personnel have stated this. These development squads were also highly financed with some highly paid coaches, strength and conditioning personnel and so on. You and other defenders of the Dublin funding have already admitted that increased financial resources makes a huge impact. It's now an accepted fact that the Dublin only scheme led to the dramatic increase in titles won across the board in Dublin GAA. The only question is what we should do now especially with Dublin spending 6 and 7 million more than most other counties.

    The answer is obvious in my opinion. Split Dublin into 4. As you point out, Dublin clubs have access to huge resources, the finance is there for 4 counties, the population is there for 4 counties, the 4 counties are already established. There's no reason for the split to not go ahead in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Look, if you're just playing games and trying to "fool" people, then have at it. I just take posts at their face value for what they say. If you're trying to play some kind of childish game then away you go.

    But the reality is, you were talking complete scutter, got called on it and are now flailing around.

    Gluck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Ah, you’re back with this horse manure idea again. But what about your Damascene conversion? How do we fix the financial imbalance that exists across the whole country, you know, the one you told us didn’t exist. Then today told us did exist. Which counties did you mean? What to do with them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    I've quoted my posts. I honestly don't think I could have made it more obvious. Like I said, I obviously was too subtle for yourself. We move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 SYMETAL


    In sport, all dynasties eventually come to an end. Nothing lasts forever.

    The Dublin team of 2015 -2020 will go down as the greatest football team in GAA history.

    This year either Mayo, Kerry or Tyrone will be champions, and from a neutral perspective. I think that is good for the GAA as a whole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    I've already outlined this. You need to remove your victim complex. The reasons for the split of Dublin are obvious and in conjunction with that, we need to have a cap on spending and pooled sponsorship, fair funding and development plans etc created for each county. This has always been the plan.

    This will leave us with an exciting future where all counties have equal opportunity to compete. It will increase standards in football, hurling and camógie across the board. It will increase participation in Gaelic Games. It will leave us with possibilities to create new championship structures. It will give us new local derbies. It will cement the GAA as the number one association in this country for a long time to come.

    Now, people are free to disagree with my suggestions, adjust them or whatever they want but it's clear that major change in the financial structures of the GAA are needed. It started with Dublin receiving huge levels of public funding but other counties have gained access to funding through other means. Do we want Gaelic Games to continue down the elitist path where you need huge resources to compete or do we want to give every county the chance to participate fairly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    So we now have a poster admitting to trolling on several occasions, to get a reaction. Really does show that the person has no interest in anything else. I’m pissing myself at his/her comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Oh no, not trolling. Making a point using the ridiculous posts by you and others. I think you recognised your primary school kids one there? 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    But as you know, and has been comprehensively proven, the financial imbalance for the GAA predates this dublin team. Since you’re so fond of raising cork for example- you noted they have half the population of dublin. They also just recently got huge sponsorship signed. Do we split them in two? It’s hard not to see the symmetry there in the two cases. How about Kerry who are the most dominate historically and have huge funding. Split in two also. All of those would equally make for exciting futures for the GAA. East Kerry vs West Kerry anyone? How about splitting the largerbUlster and Leinster counties? Or Mayo who have huge resources also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    How can you take anyone seriously when they contradict themselves constantly like that? A spoofer needs a good memory as the saying goes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Split Dublin into 4 ha ha. More chance of making Cork and Kerry into one county. Delusional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    What evidence have you provided for the financial imbalance prior to the Dublin funding scandal? No other county had access to the scheme and huge resources. Do you have anything to back up your claim to the contrary?

    Again, Dublin are not the victims here. If any other county had a development plan drawn up and funded for them, the calls for that county to be split would also be happening. We're talking millions of euros here.

    We've already discussed the pooling of sponsorship. Team preparation amounts need to be regulated as well. This along with the split of Dublin and fair spreading of funding will go a long way to making our games open and vibrant competitions once again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    At times it’s hard to know where you’re just spoofing to get a reaction. All the detail you want to answer your question is already in the thread, feel free to use the search function



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter


    any evidence to back up the claim that Dublin senior foorballers received free meals and cars?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Oh it gets better, we’ve had one poster today claiming they were on the AIG payroll……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 FreeChocco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Not tiered exactly but teams from different tiers of the football pyramid enter the competition at different stages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,968 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nothing new there in fairness have been fellas from many counties done the same. I know a fella was offered a Carroll's job to try keep him from moving away.

    Rugby in Ireland was the same in amateur days too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 FreeChocco


    Yeah but that's not really relevant to the discussion about the AI; when people talk about a tiered championship they talk about something like the champions/ europa league, where you have two separate championships playing at two different levels. Kind of the beauty of the FA cup is that everyone is in the one pot, from champion's league contenders to tier 10 sides. They're all playing for the same trophy. So it's a little strange seeing someone use the FA cup as an example to support a 2 tiered championship when - if anything - it does the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Most if not all of the top players in the top counties get free/promotional cars. Genuinely confused how you don't know this?

    Almost all intercounty footballers get free meals after training and matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    So you have nothing to back up your claim.

    Like I said, if any other county had received millions of euros to implement a plan drawn up by a group of experts for them, then there would be calls for them to be split also. It has left us with the current situation that has Dublin GAA spending 6 and 7 million more than most other counties. How can that be let continue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Of course. Ever heard of the Gourmet Food Parlour or Subaru, Mitsubishi or Toyota?

    Paul Flynn: "When I’m training, we receive set meals by Dublin GAA food partner Gourmet Food Parlour, which forms part of our overall nutrition plan."

    Jim Gavin: “The nutritional support that Gourmet Food Parlour Catering provides to Dublin GAA and the senior football team is an essential element that has contributing to the success of the team in recent years. Lorraine and her outstanding team, work in partnership with the Dublin football management team to design a nutritional performance strategy for the team that caters for each player’s individual dietary needs and enables them to perform at their optimum level throughout the season.”

    Bernard Brogan on getting free meals from the Gourmet Food Parlour: "We got our food after training and all that". He denied getting free meals in 25 Dublin restaurants but admitted they do get discounts in these places.

    "Subaru Ireland are delighted to announce it has joined forces with Dublin GAA and signed a deal making Subaru the official car partner to Dublin GAA," a press statement read.

    "Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."

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    Mitsubishi Motors is named official vehicle sponsor of Dublin GAA

    https://www.mitsubishi-motors.ie/news/dublin-gaa-sponsorship

    Mitsubishi Motors Ireland is delighted to announce its sponsorship of Dublin GAA as the main vehicle sponsor.


    https://www.toyotasandyford.ie/pages/news/toyota-article/world-of-toyota/articles-news-events/2014/Toyota-Announces-Three-Year-Partnership-with-Dublin-GAA.json



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter


    genuinely didn't know that but good to hear it's not just a Dublin thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Squareball


    I would like to see Dean, James and Philly retire from the county and put their last couple of top flight years into the club. Also would like to see Evan and the two Smallys, step away for a few months. There is after al, the small matter of an All Ireland Club Championship that needs claiming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Hopefully the ladies dominance is broken this year but hard to see it. Next year Dublin will walk leinster and I'm predicting they will win Sam again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    It looks like 1 Men's Leinster football title and one women's All Ireland is the best Dublin GAA can do this year. Club competitions obviously not going ahead but still that's a pretty poor showing given the resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Well, you know, they are the greatest team to ever play the game. Not a bumper crop of kids coming through from the recent years where the funding was also in place but if you look at the likes of Offaly and Kildare now we can see that getting kids involved does potentially feed talent into the teams and sure then all you can do is develop that. Thank god we had that golden generation, bookended by greats like cluxton and Brogan. I think perhaps getting kids more involved gave us natural talents like Fenton and Kilkenny so not too bad, just fortunate that lads like Philly were already around to nurture them and we had a cold eyed genius like Gavin to bring it all together. Hopefully the interest they’ve generated in the capital means more gems will decide to get involved and the wait between the next top team won’t be quite as long as when Kerry’s previous greatest team stepped away.

    remarkable when you consider the lack of facilities many kids face in dublin. Even the money is overblown and embellished when you look at the spend other counties rack up on their inter county team. Must have been eating some folks up from the inside that once the Dubs got their structures right they weren’t a soft touch any more.

    And credit the Leinster council- again we see with Kildare and Offaly that they want a competitive province, but one where all boats rise and counties have the quality to actually compete for Sam. If only other provinces were so enlightened



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Still nothing on this?

    "What evidence have you provided for the financial imbalance prior to the Dublin funding scandal? No other county had access to the scheme and huge resources. Do you have anything to back up your claim to the contrary?"

    We've already discussed at length about the effectiveness of funding and getting professional coaches involved. It's helping Offaly, Kildare, Meath etc now, that's why Dublin were at such an advantage, they were the only ones with access to the scheme for nearly 2 decades. It took you a long time to accept this. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on development alone. The success gained from the influx of professional coaches has increased titles and sponsorship etc off the back of this. At last count it was up to 2.3 million per year.

    I don't know how old you think Phillip McMahon is? But he came through the multi million euro system. We saw that system not only lead to success in Gaelic football where numerous underage titles were won which led on to the unprecedented success for Dublin at senior level but, we also saw it in ladies football, senior hurling, minor and u20/21 hurling and club football and hurling. Once players such as McMahon and all the other hurlers and footballers enter the senior set up, they are then incorporated into a highly financed, professional organisation, full of coaches from many different areas and the highly publicised huge backroom team.

    It's interesting that you mention facilities, it's one of the reasons why the split must happen. The Dublin County Board have focused their efforts on elite development to the cost of working class areas of Dublin. For example, they have spent over 20 million recently to purchase land for two centers of excellence. On the other hand, how many new clubs have been established in the poorer areas of Dublin? We need the split to happen in order to establish county boards who will be in a position to affect change and get more kids from disadvantaged areas involved. These kids would have a clearer pathway to inter county football and hurling and have a far greater chance to succeed. This can only be a good thing.

    The population, the facilities and the resources are all there for the 4 established counties to succeed. Let's make it happen. The benefits would be massive for our capital.



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