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Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The stunt been pulled that vaccinated 12-18 year olds activately displaying covid symptoms not having to self isolate/stay out of school, will put them under some pressure once schools start up in a few weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    You've got that wrong, it's onlly close contacts of positives that can stay in school, If they're displaying symptoms they'll surely be snt home,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Two families here not vaccinating and socialising, yet going into their 80 year old parents house same as there was no virus..... I don't care what the science says but that's not right.

    I'm vaccinated so I don't care about what others are doing, if it kills me I know I've done my best to avoid it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    We're at least 6 months away from covid being treated like the flu. Probably longer. The flu is a case of leave it off, everyone do what they want...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Well I'm treating it same the flu until i learn other wise, Is Hse not declaring the vaccinated positive cases because they're ashamed of so many or because of their ongoing computer problems



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,215 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Teachers don't have to say if they're vaccinated and kids don't have to either. Doesn't make sense to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,215 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Eldest lad getting second vaccine on Tuesday 20 days after first one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭_Brian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Probably like myself, we'll be taking less precautions from now on and be more likely to be carriers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    From what I understand the child is not a close contact unless they are sitting next to/behind /in front of a positive test person .That's from secondary school last year .Sharing a classroom doesn't make you a close contact .Apart from that unless they spent the entire break time in close proximity to the person .

    Same as training or playing a game with a person .Only if you traveled to or from game/training with the positive case .That's from last years guidelines .That may have changed but to be frank have totally lost interest in all the ins and outs of it .

    As regards the vaccination status ;do you know which children/teachers have their MMR etc ? Or if any of them suffer from any condition that might have a miniscule chance of affecting others ?

    Wonder if any of the pupils have Hep. C or maybe a teacher might have came to work one day with a particularly bad head cold ?

    Even God forbid someone may have came with some condition that was so mild they were actually unaware they had it .

    Think people are really starting to overthink some of this stuff at this stage .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,215 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Pre covid some creches wouldn't take unvaccinated kids. Some swimming lessons would insist kids were vaccinated before getting lessons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Think education is slightly more important than swimming lessons .

    What annoyed me was yesterdays indo headline piece where it read like if the child were vaccinated they would be allowed to attend even if close contact but would miss 2 weeks schooling if not .

    Very subtle pressure but think we will hold off here with getting them vaccinated until its been tried for a while in other peoples kids .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The problem will be, over the coming months as hospitalised vaccinated numbers increase. Will nphet just extend the line to a doomsday scenario and reimpose heavier restrictions.

    There's also a potential that vaccinated people are less likely to get tested at the minute because they trust the vaccine. If that trust reduces over time, the stats might give the illusion of protection breaking down even faster.

    While at the minute unvaccinated people might be more likely to get themselves tested at the mildest of symptoms just to get a covid pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I see ten cars outside a local air BnB farmhouse this morning, and similar at an air BnB in the local village so there's not a lot of point in the rest of us taking precations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    I'm much more concerned about whether restrictions will be reimposed on us in the coming months than taking any precautions now. It will make no difference either way.

    I'm all for opening up and going back to normal asap and leave the vaccine either work or fail.

    But if nphet/government stay consistent with their logic over the last 18 months, then we are at a higher risk of going backwards than forwards as too much is expected of the vaccines. Would you accept going back into lockdown because of a new variant, while we wait for reformulated boosters to be rolled out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    It depends on the severity of the new variant, I wouldn't accept another lockdown if covid wasn't putting the hospitals under pressure.

    .08% of the vaccinated are getting covid apparently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The thing is if a bog standard flu puts the hospitals under pressure. At what point are we able to know if a new covid variant is too much?

    Government will lose their nerve and reintroduce restrictions before things level out, then say restrictions saved the day. When we wont know if hospitals would actually have been overwhelmed.

    But by then we'll just be waiting for our new round of boosters under restrictions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,594 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yes the vaccines are working. Had the adult pop not been vaccinated, the hospital system would be totally overwhwelmed at this stage.

    Really delighted to see all those young people eager to get the vaccine.

    When a new variant comes along, we know the mRNA vaccines can be reengineered quite quickly.

    I think by and large this country has managed excellently. The major outbreak through the nursing homes in the first wave is the one major blemish. Had that been handled better we would have halved the number of deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    No point in worrying about it, you can't plan anything dealing with a virus, you don't know how it's going to behave/react.

    ''That's above my pay grade'' was a phrase teachers used last year when asked why their school wasnt ready for sept after them being off for six mths, so me worrying about what's gonna happen is above my pay grade too 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Youngest (13) has her first appt on Friday. Seems a very strong uptake among her peers, appointments coming very soon after registering.

    We talked it through with her, our concerns either way and she’s keen to get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Latest data from isreali hospitalisations for over 60's in serious condition with covid per 100000 is fully vaccinated at 16.6, partially vaccinated 39.9 and not vaccinated 98.5, the vaccine helps but its noting near as effective as tony and co are saying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Wait, last I saw our hospitalised were 90% unvaccinated people. Surely those numbers show it’s working exceptionally well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    It's all we have and we don't want more lockdowns. It's like my cert getting me indoors to eat, I didn't believe it made any difference in protecting me from infection but it got me in the door outa the rain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    The protection comes from being among other vaccinated people rather than the cert protecting you of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    That's simply not true with these vaccines unlike the likes of measles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,942 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    This whole pandemic is showing up our health service for what it is or should I say years of neglect have let it become …a shambles .all that’s stopping it collapsing is the strict lockdown we’ve been in ,high vaccine uptake and excellent healthcare workers …we will have to be kept in check for a long time even with high vaccination uptake because of years of underfunding and inept management of it by the hse

    anyone know the status of antigen testing atm .there is huge farting around by the govt on this .why this hasn’t been rolled out by now Is farcical the vaccine has been showed to be effective but not fully surely a negative antigen test either in conjunction with or without a vaccine to gain access to indoor dining etc should be gold standard and extra layer of protection for us as a country and our healthcare system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,594 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Would think it's policy to push vaccination uptake as high as possible. That would be the key reason for not pushing antigen testing IMO. Agree or disagree with it, but it looks like the strategy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    They have also backed themselves into a bit of a corner with previous comments on antigen testing. Nphet arent going to admit they were wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,594 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Certainly think it's a stand driven by Dr. Holohan.



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