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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    A section of the inner city has visible addicts exchanging pills and heroin from my experience. I work on the Southside though and its a different world. Avoid the parts you dont like like any city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    The laws changed as the were unconstitutional. People have a constitutional right to beg. The majority of beggars aren't from Dublin but as the main financial engine of the country they come here. Dublin is a victim of the countries success and has to deal with more social issues than the rest of the country. Essentially you are victim blaming for a problem stemming from other parts of the country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    I would agree to an extent i think it has to do with the breed of person that lives in around some of the north inner city, for every kellie harrington theres probably 9 scumbags who dont want to partake in irish society, dont want to partake in education or work no matter what chances they are given. i dont buy this crap of people around there being not given a chance, its bull, theres a large proportion of that cohort that are very insular looking and have a chip on their shoulder and totally ignorant of anything outside of inner city. They actually make the roughest culchie look cosmopolitan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Dublin City Center is a national embarrassment whoever is responsible.

    It's just not run properly and there have been catastrophic policy mistakes (the concentration of addiction clinics in the city center being the most obvious), maintenance is very poor, lack of gardai, concentration of poverty in social housing estates circling the core...no one can be surprised it's the playground it is.

    If you're a tourist arriving on O'Connell Street (supposedly the main street) you are not going to feel safe around there. Parts of the southside are a bit better but a few ok areas on the southside is not going to save the city's reputation.

    The problems are caused by hopeless incompetence and it just gets worse every year. It's being hollowed out.

    Local businesses have been blue in the face for years warning the government that this is not really acceptable in a capital city because ultimately it weighs heavily on the reputation of the country as a whole as well and it damages their businesses. If people don't feel comfortable going in, tourists don't feel safe and businesses refuse to locate there because of what they see and experience it damages everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah it's not as bad as you want it to be, you seem to get off on this stuff, whatever you're into.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    What's an addiction clinic and where are they ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    You can be flippant about it all you like. It's your capital city. If you are happy with the state of it and it's trajectory then more power to you.

    It won't change it's trajectory until enough of the population start caring about it. And enough don't unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The guy goes on about Dublin and how awful it is all the time, if he's not posting threads picking on Dublin single mothers. The snobbery in Ireland truly is disgusting at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'd rather have my eyes wide open to reality than be a robotic apologist for the ills in the country. That's not snobbery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You want to look down on people. You show no evidence of compassion or understanding. You're 100% a snob and you're doing this because you're lacking something in yourself. Well done Kermit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I don't look down on anyone. I clearly want to see improvements to the city and to stop it's decline which is terminal with the path it's on.

    Can you really say when you walk on O'Connell St or Parnell Street or Abbey Street or Henry Street or the boardwalk or wherever that it's fine? That there is no problem here?

    Because you are the only one who does not see the serious problems if you are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭markw7


    I'd rather a realist like him than a 'can't we all just get along' type. The scum in this country need to pay back the rest of society and then some. To feck with all this broken home shite - be a man, raise your kids, get a job and pay your way. Oh and clean your room as Peterson says, personal responsibility has evaporated in some sections of society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    so if you were sexually abused and came from a broken home like nearly all heroin addicts do, you'd be fine, there'd be no chance of you going wayward and you wouldn't expect any help?



  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭markw7


    When I said feck all this broken home shite, I meant it in relation to excuses put before judges for softer sentences for career criminals. If I was abused by a family member I would prob be already dead in fairness, I'm a realist not heartless!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Can you point to a statistic that confirms that 'nearly all' heroin addicts have been sexually abused?

    I'm not able to refute because I don't know but that claim seems remarkable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭markw7


    They do have a point though in relation to drug addicts, you're probably seriously messed up if you resort to sticking a needle in your arm. Slow suicide I think of it as.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I work with homeless addicts , the amount of them have historical trauma is astonishing . Couldn't for the life of me give a you a statistic .

    It's unusual to find a homeless\rough sleeping addict without a trauma.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trauma, yes.

    But the poster specifically mentioned 'nearly all' have experienced sexual abuse.

    Which seemed a bit a odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    No I can't find one from Ireland, but there's a Dr called Gabor Mate who has done extensive studies with addicts in Vancouver who speaks about this frequently, and there are lots of papers from other countries if you look for them discussing the link between childhood trauma and addictions. Apologies though it's not just sexual, other forms of child abuse too. Just look at the kids in town being screamed at in their faces by their parents, you see it all the time in town, they really don't have much of a chance of being a properly functioning adult. Just imagine having to grow up in those horrible environments and how you might have turned out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    A significant amount have experienced sexual abuse , I couldn't give you a number , but I've completed a lot of referrals for a lot of individuals for support .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    It's also worth having look into trauma as the event and addiction as the symptom.



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭PHG


    This comment is probably one of the most stupidest comments I have seen. Addiction is a terrible thing and if people need help (no matter where they are) they should have access to this. I would hope some of my taxes go towards helping those who want help.

    There are plenty of documentaries, shows, a few on Netflix, etc. that outline the plight of addiction in society. Even the opiod epidemic in the US.

    As asked before, would you mind telling us where you are from for a fair contrast?

    I lived in Dublin for years and now live in the Scandics and even here there are places in and around the city you do not go!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    If you have been raised in a dysfunctional family the chances of it involving sexual abuse is extremely high. Even without that the basic human decency and compassion from people raised in abusive homes is mostly down to never experiencing enough. You might as well be asking them to read an ancient language as asking them to behave the way those without those experience to act.

    I went to school with this guy who was an absolute violent bully he had attacked several teachers too. They didn't expel him and he also had the snot kicked out of him several times by people he tried to bully. Didn't change and eventually dropped out in 2nd year of secondary at 14. Nobody missed him and were glad he was gone. Year later in my 20s I see him and he is a complete junkie and mention it to an old class mate. Turns out his mother (alcoholic) died 2 years after he was born. He was way younger than his siblings so by 7 it was just him and his father. His father beat him daily and sexually abused him, common knowledge around where he lived but his father was a raging alcoholic with a long violent history so nobody did anything.

    To expect him in that environment to come out a decent human being is akin to saying magic is real. He had no reference points. He was a victim and believed to survive others had to be victims of him. Without any help how would you expect to act the same as somebody raised in a stable household?

    Don't get me wrong he needed to be in prison for some time as he was a dangerous person but he needed rehabilitation while there and got none. It isn't like you can put him down like he is a vicious dog that was abused. Do we just lock him up and throw away the key proving his life experience that nobody cares about him as a human?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    i dont know I suppose you have to try to rehabilitate those people but until they are proven to be rehabilitated you lock them up and keep them locked up, someone like that if not locked up would only breed more like him, its a vicous circle. Maybe someone like that would be a candidate for sterilisation.its this multi generational, self fulfilling prophecy of crime and violence we need to get at the root of that.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In your lifetime isn't for all time. We do spend a lot of money on drug services for addicts as it happens, and not much seems to work. There's very little rehabilitation forced on the addicts, and rehabilitation can't happen without the will of the addict to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,999 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The Dublin City Manager should, as a condition of employment live in the City Centre. Not Merrion Square or Stephen's Green, but you know, the inner city. That might wake him and his cocooned staff up to the reality of life in the core city centre now.

    I'd say he cannot get on his bicycle quick enough every day to get out of Dodge, never having left the bunker to see the reality around him all day every day. Doesn't even have to leave his eyerie since he will get subsidised lunch, and can shop online ha ha.

    It's easy to dismiss the reality if you only see reports and plans on paper. Am feckin delighted the injection centre on Merchant's Quay was refused. More of the same please as the CC is definitely the wrong place for such facilities, as we have learned to our cost over the years.

    I haven't been in the city since Covid, and have absolutely no desire to go there anymore. Dublin itself is delightful with the sea and the mountains and nice Georgian architecture. But there are ways to get to these beautiful places that are within 20 mins by swerving to avoid the badlands in the CC. But it should not be necessary for anyone to have to think like that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭tastyt


    Most people really don’t have a problem with the junkies and homeless with addiction issues and are usually unfortunate souls

    its the little feral scum that hang around in groups and intimidate and abuse people that usually can’t stand up for themselves are what’s bringing the city down . The guards should be all over those little pricks


    and before anyone says “ oh they don’t intimidate me, you are very sheltered “etc etc , that’s **** all good to the woman killed in the ifsc by a 15 yr old scrote or the woman pushed under the Dart by the cowards a couple of months back

    they are the problem , probably coked up, not the junkies



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Totally, the teenagers are far worse. And I feel they are more dangerous than in the past, these days. But that might be me getting older.

    I walk through Dublin City generally not noticing junkies, background noise of a city to me. Some people not from Dublin I know can be intimidated though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    They're not worse, if anything they're nowhere near as bad, I had a relative killed by two of them in the 90s, totally unprovoked. I remember Dublin being far rougher in the 90s, you wouldn't walk around any of the flats back then, now you can no bother.

    I think people see clips on Dublin Live and read stories on the internet and think it's Cape Town, everything has been sensationalised.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭3d4life


    What a wonderful post to come from an account that has repeatedly denigrated people who buy clothes in Pennys



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I think my quotes were about fast fashion and how damaging it is but whatever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    the woman killed in the ifsc by a 15 yr old scrote


    That was an appalling incident that did not get the coverage it should have in the media.

    Had she been an Irish woman the reaction would have been as it should be. I have no doubt about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I agree. It's utterly bizarre it was just ignored by the media. If it was a white middle class Irish woman it would have been a totally different story, but it was just a Mongolian cleaner, so sad. He was in court today, I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    yeah as someone said you keep well away from those places if you can , pity croke park wasnt knocked and built on a greenfield site in kildare or athlone. its not nice having to go in around there to matches. very odd that the government hasnt cleared more of the area around the IFSC for offices and gentrified it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    We need a new Capital.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Dublin City Council set the heights for buildings other city's have 12 storey apartment blocks , builders have to design around the regulations height restrictions etc

    I find the atmosphere strange at the moment because theres so many business, s and cafes closed, so many empty offices, but its not frightening and no tourists around at all

    theres probably someone in a UK forum right now posting London Liverpool Glasgow etc is awful



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There are tourists in Dublin, unless all those Americans in the city doing touristy stuff actually live here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    There is a gang of very young criminals who often hang out in the Wolf Tone Street area, near the Church pub and Pennys. Last time I personally saw them attacking the persons working in the Asian grocery on Mary Street with the steel part of the seats of their bicycles (they had them hidden under the sleeves of their jackets)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    I live between Jervis and Smithfield. I am coming from the south of Europe, yet I do not see any relevance with this thread. Please stop pestering anytime I write something



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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually it's entirely relevant as most cities are the same in terms of crime,with different variations on specific types of crime.

    For example given Southern Europe covers a wide area, you could be from Albania or Italy for example where the level of street crime might be comparable, but levels of corruption are higher, or from some rural area with no experience of city living.

    Also it is a discussion site, not a blog people discus things, like the attack you highlighted just off O'Connell Street then dropped like a hot snot when it turned out that the accused were from Eastern Europe.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    "Also it is a discussion site, not a blog people discus things" what a comment (!) Please report the post if you think these problems should not be discussed, but do not pester on a personal level



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I must have been away too long, but if anything, I find Dublin a bit boring and bland... far from unlivable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭John_Rambo




  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not pestering, as I said it is a discussion site not a blog or conspiracy theory circle jerk site



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭Dante


    I was in the city centre for the first time in over a year last week, couldn't believe how grim it was. The areas around Talbot Street, O Connell Street and Henry Street in particular have deteriorated so much. Rubbish absolutely everywhere, gangs of dodgy teens in trackies loitering around the place and loads of junkies wandering around aggressively heckling for money.

    I know these areas have always been a bit shít, but don't remember them being anywhere near this bad before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I was on Henry street last week too and there was no rubbish. DCC are constantly cleaning there. I see these types of posts on boards.ie about "rubbish everywhere" sometimes on the same day I'm in the city. What time of the day were you there?



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is that true? Most homeless people I hear in Dublin have Dublin accents, and all junkies.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think you are right that it is being underplayed but not for the reasons you seem to imply. It was an attack that could easily have been seen as a racist attack - white on non-white. Generally the media would report that.

    In Ireland though a form of political correctness about the inner city has grown up to make them victims, overriding other concerns.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While O'Connel street isn't great for a supposed Main Street -- it isn't really, Grafton street is the main shopping street -- its not as bad as people say. Henry street is just a busy street which is a little worse for wear these days. Talbot street can be a zoo, but lots of European cities have strange areas close to city centre train stations, for whatever reason.



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