Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Suicide Squad Sequel

12346

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,837 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    The off screen events about Superman was a bit of a tease, does it not come across as lazy writing to throw that in? another thing was the conroller lady not wanting them to finish the job, it didnt make any sense , they had to finish the job or it would cause a global problem, seemed a bit contrived just o set up other things

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    seemed like any movie in which Harley Quinn is in does badly. Pity I would love to see a sequel to this with the possibility of Will Smith and Idris Elba in the next one and sharkboy and Ratcatcher also returning but I assume this in the end of the series with the poor box office and no positive news about HBO max viewership figures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,778 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Poor Sebastian just wanted to be friends with people.

    That liquid could not have been good for Harley's eyes.

    Really enjoyed it overall. For the first credits scene

    When we saw Weasel, I was half expecting him to find TDK still alive



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    Although a bit too long, this was much better than the first outing - Gunn's tongue-in-cheekedness making it very enjoyable. It did feel though that the choice of anti-heros by Waller for the mission was less to do with her nous in matching their abilities for the mission, than how their abilities would slot in with the storyboard. Still though, it was great fun.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,837 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    its officially a flop by the looks of things. Might there be the start of super hero fatigue?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 33,194 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Possibly, but also even though it's James Gunn, people will still have the previous film in their minds, and that was awful. Combined with streaming figures, and streaming increases availability of high-quality piracy downloads. It's too hard to judge. Plus covid cases rising a lot too, obviously.

    There'll definitely be a dip in upcoming superhero film numbers though. Even considering the next few Marvel films are largely unknown characters (Shang-Chi, The Eternals), and Spider-Man being at Xmas which might affect numbers too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,076 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Don't think there's much to be read into the box office of any given film at the moment beyond 'people still aren't going back in large numbers' and 'Disney and Warner are cannibalising their own market by releasing these films online'.

    I'd love nothing more than for audiences to get bored by superhero films, as that'd be a much-needed correction to years of extreme oversaturation. But really things are too chaotic at the moment to draw that sort of conclusion.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    As do-overs go, the two films will act as great examples of the difference between accidental and deliberate stupidity. This was a fun and breezy "stupid" film, and something only James Gunn's macabre mind could have conjured; it really leant into the chaotic insanity of the whole pop-anarchic, fatalist concept of the comics. It happily embraced that kernel of ludicrousness all superhero stories have, but cinematic adaptations rarely touch - and frequently mishandle. The cartoon violence will absolutely alienate some, but this was gore used as a punchline, not for its own sake.

    But like pop-anarchy, there was a certain shallowness to it all, not least the realisation after the credits rolled that it cheated. It set itself with the bold promise that nobody was safe - highlighted by that fantastic, gutsy opening sequence - but! When I sat and thought about it ... 

    None of the stars died. The big names: Elba, Robbie and Cena were safe, because of course they were. Open to correction there.

    Meanwhile, any complaint about runtime feels so redundant these days, now that blockbusters simply default to 2+ hours now; yet still, it could have done with a tighter edit as a few patches sagged and robbed the film of the otherwise constant, manic energy. Just this once the runtime really worked against the film in spots.

    Penn covered the bases here, but doubt, coming so soon after the first film was a mistake - heck just the name being so similar was a bad move IMO. It just made the whole enterprise more confusing than it needed and for once, a colon'ised title would have worked better. It would have worked with the tone of the film if it was called something like Suicide Squad: The Re-Do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,194 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Suicide Squad: Cara Delevingne isn't in this one



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Suicide Squad: Weasel Origins.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 23,078 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Suicide Squad: Polka Dot Man Rises



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Is there any blockbuster that hasn't flopped during COVID? I see Jungle Cruise also is doing badly after a positive opening weekend. I think the film studios thought that piracy was not a big thing anymore. I think the Suicide Squad poor performance is nothing to do with the audiences love for Superhero movies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,837 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Shang-Chi and The Eternals are in the $150-$200m before marketing so they really need to be doing north of $500m on release , that's not going to happen. At least Spider Man is something that might get people off the sofas though its the type of film best seen as a summer "blockbuster"?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    While not hitting the same heights as pre-CoVid numbers, Fast & Furious 9 managed to pull $660 million worldwide; but then IIRC this was before Delta came along so perhaps this specific strain has rattled folks, coupled with some localised lockdowns. With Suicide Squad, it's possible the well was just too poisoned by that infamously bad first film to try again so soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,837 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    as outings go, I'd say cinema would be at the low end of concern, compared to last summer people are back on planes and enjoying normal summer stuff. The audience for bigger summer films are under 40's - 50's , either the offerings or poor or there arent enough of them so going to the cinema has drifted out of people's heads, or because people have been cooped up they aint going to the cinema during this particular summer

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The ratings for this are a bit overblown.

    rotten tomatoes 91% critic and 84 % audience.

    IMDB 76%

    It’s enjoyable enough though anything over 70% is pushing it. Is it just me or is this guardians of the galaxy meets dead pool?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,076 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Rotten Tomatoes isn't a weighted score though.

    All '91%' means is 91% of critics gave it a positive review. Every single one of those could have given it an alright three-star review and it'd still be 91%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,837 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    if things line up for a film, then the audience or reviewers want to will it to be good, most of the reviews I saw acknowledged that there were things wrong with the film but they leaned into saying go see it its a fun film

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,778 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    With F9, it wasn't released online at or near release so I guess there is some truth to online releases/piracy putting a dent in the box office. Also that series is seen as one that people prefer to watch on the big screen. Then wasn't it the first blockbuster release after the latest lockdown? So likely people used it to test the waters of going back to the cinema.

    I think Gunn's involvement at least made reviewers go in with an open mind and let themselves be entertained rather than be really critical of plotholes. Of course the risk was there of constant GotG comparisons.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Movie financing is a zero sum game.

    The money pool goes to one film or the other film.

    Or in the case of a Marvel / DC film - to one of those films versus 3, 4 or 5 decent mid-sized budget ($50 / 60 million) more original / indie films.

    There are lots of low-end budget films being made now but the mid-size to big original IP ones not so much.


    Also there are only so many release slots in the cinema calendar and any big Marvel / DC film will dominate the calendar with big knock-on effects both for original big-budget IP (less made) or indie films.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 17,837 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    looking at this year a financier couldnt help but notice that smaller films like A Quiet Place can easily turn a decent profit but spending $200m on a B lister Superhero flick isnt that smart. They might work better on the small screen ag Superman and Lois where the costs are a fraction.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,076 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    TBH, if the pandemic puts an end to ‘too big to fail’ $200m blockbusters as the norm… that’s not a bad thing. More smaller, cheaper, riskier films is exactly what mainstream cinema needs, not endless Disney and superhero films.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We can live in hope that something good comes out of this debacle.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Doesn't even need to be a question of "riskier" film, if we're talking artistic riskiness... we are discussing blockbusters after all. There is a formula to make good, entertaining mainstream movies. Even reboots and sequels TBH. The Jumanji reboot made nearly a billion dollars off of a $90 million dollar budget. All because, IMO and this is speculation ... it wasn't interfered with at the executive level (to get that Four Quadrant blandness); while word of mouth ensured a very entertaining, characterful adventure film kept its legs at the box-office.

    Even picking something really niche, as blockbusters go; 2018's Escape Room made $150 million worldwide off of a $9 million dollar budget. That's a crazy profit margin. Joker of course broke that billion-dollar barrier, albeit off the back of the weird, cultural pearl-clutching that went on around it. So there are examples of smaller mainstream films that do well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,194 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Well I love big-budget superhero films*, and I hope they keep going for years to come**!


    *not Suicide Squad

    **including The Suicide Squad



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I love them too, but I do get a little impatient at how lazy they can be sometimes, how half-hearted and afraid of their own properties the studios act. Like, it's crazy just how many tonal or structural variants of Batman there are in the comics themselves (including particularly outlandish ones like Vampire Batman, or Samurai Batman) - yet we have never got anything except glowering, depressed Batman; heroism a burden rather than a calling.



Advertisement