Shining a light on 'appalling' Direct Provision system

Icsics · 08-08-2021 06:58PM

The problem is our porous borders. A lot of these asylum seekers are arriving from another European country, where they should be sent back to & forced to claim asylum there. There is a mini industry around the system now & too many vested interests.

08-08-2021 07:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724820#Comment_117724820

Unfortunately the abuses of the system have been going on for two decades. Your right though too many people are making too much money from it now. It's also good for politicians "brand" image, especially when they retire and look to move into private sector, NGO's sector or the ultimate gravy train an EU or UN job. Not just Ireland though, happening all over Western Europe.

It'll never end. Half a million people entered the EU during the pandemic last year to claim "asylum".

Yurt2 · 08-08-2021 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723108#Comment_117723108

The number of deportations exercised by the Gardai's immigration unit is far below the number of deportation orders issued. In 2019, the number of deportations acted upon was 298 (as per ESRI). I'll leave it up to readers if they think this is a large number or not, it's less than one a day on average to put it in perspective. The rest of the cases, a deportation order is issued, and the authorities cross their fingers that the individual(s) will do the polite thing and go home - let's be real here and admit that for the most part they don't, or at least there's nothing compelling them to.

In these cases, a member of AGS will accompany the deportee to their home country, be it a flight to Lagos or New York. In almost all cases it will be people who fell afoul of the law in more than an immigration law sense. All well and good, but what about the coherency and credibility of our immigration system if all one has to do is brazen it out? I for one don't think it's good enough.

Yurt2 · 08-08-2021 07:34PM

From the Oireachtas website following on from a parliamentary question to the Justice Minister:

Deportation Orders made

2014 - 742

2015 - 764

2016 - 1,196

2017 - 932

2018 - 1,187

Total

4,821

Number of persons deported

2014 - 114

2015 - 251

2016 - 428

2017 -140

2018 -163

Total

1,096

Justice Minister (C. Flanagan) response highlighted:

"With regard to the number of non-EEA nationals who have left voluntarily after receiving a Deportation Order, a person the subject of a Deportation Order is legally obliged to remove themselves from the state and thereafter remain outside the State. It is the case that in this jurisdiction as in others, significant numbers of people who are the subject of deportation orders leave voluntarily following receipt of the order. As exit checks from the State are not in use, it is not possible to indicate with any degree of precision the numbers who may be in this category but all the available evidence suggests that the number is likely to be considerable."

The bolded wouldn't fill you with confidence.

AllForIt · 08-08-2021 07:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724636#Comment_117724636

Somehow I don't think Vusi Thabethe would be going on a long walk in her native country to 'shine a light' on the reasons that led her to seek asylum here.

So, who put her up to this? It was hardly her idea. I sense coaching from some NGO.

Mike Murdock · 08-08-2021 08:16PM

The Pamela Izevbekhai case should have been the smoking gun that the vast majority of Asylum Seekers here are taking the piss. Aided and abetted by our NGO Industrial Complex that should have been gutted of funding post-2008 crash.

€1 million in legal fees paid by the taxpayer for multiple appeals, before someone did their homework and found the evidence that she was lying.

We need reform of the whole process. 90 day turnaround once someone claims asylum with 1 appeal and that is it. And straight on a specially designated plane back home if their appeal fails.

Galwayguy35 · 08-08-2021 08:36PM

The process would be a lot quicker if there was no leave to appeal once a decision is made, if they can pay to appeal themselves then fire away but expecting the taxpayers here to foot the bill is ridiculous.

They know once they pop out a few kids there is zero chance of them ever being sent back and now that the word is out Roddy is offering them free houses Dublin airport is going to be very busy with new arrivals.

08-08-2021 08:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725137#Comment_117725137

Didn't she have the backing of some very high profile Irish politicians at the time (and who are still in power)?

There was a lot of anger amounst the political and media class when she was finally deported.

08-08-2021 08:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725216#Comment_117725216

Has there been any update on his call for an official state apology to "asylum seekers" in Ireland?

conorhal · 08-08-2021 08:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722906#Comment_117722906

The whole notion that it's somehow unfair to deport kids because 'Ireland is the only place they have known' kind of annoys me.

My folks were economic migrants. The Irish economy was crap throughout the 60s and 70's so they sought work abroad. I myself was born in Africa to globe trotting parents and only returned to Ireland from Saudi at the age of 12 because at the time there were no secondary schools there for forigners and my parents didn't want to send me home to a boarding school in a country I'd never spent much time in except on holiday.

Being the child of economic migrants, constantly uprooted wasn't always fun, but it was just a fact of life, as it is for many Irish children whose parents have decided to emigrate to the UK, America, Australia or even further afield like my folks, who lived in some places so remote they had a paraffin powered fridge because the house had no electricity. That's how far into deepest darkest Africa they ventured. I don't think I saw a TV until I was almost 6, I thought the thing was a freaking miracle box. So I don't really feel much sympathy for kids that have to go home to Lagos or Islamabad when their parents are told that the have to leave.

Galwayguy35 · 08-08-2021 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725258#Comment_117725258

Wouldn't be a bit surprised if himself and McEntee come out with something in the next few months about it.

08-08-2021 09:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725403#Comment_117725403

No doubt it's on the way. Amazing how all the righteous moral people end up becoming politicians :)

I look forward to not endorsing his apology.

mary 2021 · 08-08-2021 09:32PM

I blame the lawyers on the gravy train of appeals they keep them going.

Real Donald Trump · 09-08-2021 06:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725488#Comment_117725488

Indeed, scum of the earth they are. Way too many in this country

crooked cockney villain · 09-08-2021 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725321#Comment_117725321

The logic of it never fails to amaze me.

If it's psychologically inhumane to deport a child who has attended school and has school friends in Ireland, surely it is also inhumane to admit migrants aged between 5 and 17 years old. After all, they had school friends in their community in whatever country they originally came from.

The "they're now part of our community" pleas are vocal enough now for people who live in an old holiday camp two miles outside the town, what will they be like when they have spent five years living in an actual house in an estate like Roddy seems to think they should be entitled to.

09-08-2021 06:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722653#Comment_117722653

So true. The activists want to be like and friends with them but would be the ones most hated by the bogus asylum seekers if they weren't working for them.

jmreire · 09-08-2021 06:27PM

Seems to me that the first step in any event involving the Government is to get an apology..step two revolves around compensation ????? But maybe I'm wrong in this.

Spanish Eyes · 09-08-2021 06:31PM

We can forget about anything changing. This is Government sponsored, well all elected politicians seem to support immigration, legal or not. We cannot vote for anyone who questions it, because there are none out there.

I suppose the next cohort of arrivals will claim Climate Change in their country of origin and be ushered right in.

I wouldn't waste my brain cells on it anymore, it is never going to change, just get worse.

And those of us ordinary mortals paying for this are subliminally or overtly labelled Right Wing for questioning it. No win situation.

mary 2021 · 09-08-2021 07:26PM

Close the borders - period give the EU & angela Merkel the middle finger she caused all this shite in the first place. Without britain as our ally we are now merely an out post of europe and a suitable dumping ground for the criminals she imported to Germany & wants to lose so dump them in Ireland the lovely land of ass licking lackeys !!

RobbieTheRobber · 09-08-2021 07:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729952#Comment_117729952

When was Britain our ally?

I must have missed that day in history class.

09-08-2021 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729989#Comment_117729989

Britain was often our ally in the EU. We are isolated without their support now. Welcome to the thread, I see you've been banned from the other one....

09-08-2021 08:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729731#Comment_117729731

Climate change and gay rights are being pushed massively as reasons for asylum now by lots of politicians. Look at the Green party. Ireland previously gave protection to victims of domestic abuse, ridiculous.

Hopefully taxpayers in Ireland will push back eventually, if they don't this madness will never stop in Europe. Look at Denmark for how real change can take place when the people say enough is enough.

Meanwhile we have to spend hundreds of millions every single year so the likes of that women in the OP can get her forever home for her 4 kids and counting after being resident here for only 4 years. I doubt she will ever work if she already has 4 kids. Meanwhile the rest of us will work everyday and pay mortgages over 25-30 years.

RobbieTheRobber · 09-08-2021 08:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730202#Comment_117730202

On what basis are you claiming the UK was an Irish ally in the EU.

DelaneyIn · 09-08-2021 09:01PM

In 2019 the majority of applications were from Georgia (99% rejection rate), Albania (97% rejection rate), Nigeria (94% rejection rate), South Africa (90% rejection rate), Zimbabwe (82% rejection rate) and Pakistan (90% rejection rate).

I agree they shouldn’t be in direct provision for two years. They should have been long since deported.

crooked cockney villain · 09-08-2021 09:58PM

Here is a summing up of how bonkers O'Gorman's proposed policy for ending direct provision is.

There is currently some lad in Nigeria/ Algeria/ South Africa/ Pakistan who couldn't find Ireland on a map, who will, if O'Gorman gets his way, have a permanent place to live, at a more than affordable price (as low as 20 quid per week), many many years before a young lad with a good work ethic who left school in July just gone.

Somebody, anybody, explain to me how that is right or fair.

09-08-2021 10:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730438#Comment_117730438

There is a big difference between rejection rate and deportation rate. We will never know the true delta in these figures unfortunately because the government refuse to track it.

Edit to say, how can Albania an EU accession candidate have a 3% successful rate? Surely it should be zero.

John Doe1 · 10-08-2021 01:01AM

We should never feel guilty about turning away illegal immigrants.

The whole migrant crisis would be solved if the many rich Islamic countries decided to take them in but it suits their interests to have a destabilised west.

The majority of these "asylum seekers" will never integrate, they dont work, they disrespect our liberal western values, they see our women as whores and they just want our money.

Strumms · 10-08-2021 02:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729731#Comment_117729731

Worse in fact you might be labeled racist for questioning it... direct provision while not perfect is the only reasonable solution...

Cordell · 10-08-2021 08:48AM

It's a reasonable solution to a made up problem as there should be no need for long time accommodation for asylum seekers.

Fandymo · 10-08-2021 10:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722803#Comment_117722803

If they got on a flight, their passport details are somewhere in the system. They should be on the flight manifest. So someone claiming to be Joseph Ngogo from Sudan, who is actually Finidi Oliseh from Nigeria can be turned around quick enough.

Shining a light on 'appalling' Direct Provision system

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