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Cyclingtourist · 06-08-2021 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117716300#Comment_117716300

Don't worry I'm not planning to die just yet but it's a question you could ask anyone, none of us know the answer.

I have quite a few 'quality watches' as well as a number of shitters but a watch-snob might not agree.

Anyway as I said before I'm gonna take my time.

Blanchy90 · 09-08-2021 10:11AM

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banie01 · 09-08-2021 12:26PM

Panerai playing fast and loose with their description of in-house and shipping ETA2892 with a chrono module as an P9200?

Don't know how true any of the following is, but it is an interesting read and the blogs correcting their copy doesn't paint Panerai in a great light IMO.

https://perezcope.com/2021/08/08/panerai-in-house-movements-a-pam-of-worms/amp/

Cyclingtourist · 09-08-2021 12:57PM

Just get a Pamphibia, totally in-house movement and a waiting list of sorts for those who prefer that manufactured 'desirability'.

Blanchy90 · 09-08-2021 01:00PM

Very interesting real, pretty shocking really for a watch of that price that they use an undecorated movement. The photoshop on their image makes it look like they want it hidden too.

+1 for the Pamphibia haha

Fitz II · 09-08-2021 01:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117727928#Comment_117727928

Was about to post that. Will Panerai never learn. I am not a big believer in in house as a necessity, but it does go to show that corners have not been cut and makes clones much easier to spot. On a 10k watch its really not on.

Vostock is all inhouse alright, shame its so bad. More out house than in house.

unkel · 09-08-2021 02:06PM

Leaves a sour taste in your mouth alright. Obviously the bean counters / short term profit merchants at Richemont are running the show. Same as what happened to Mercedes-Benz in the early 90s...

Fitz II · 09-08-2021 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117728735#Comment_117728735

When the same group owns ALS, VC and JLC its hard to believe the appreciation for inhouse does not exist, or that the expertise to get it done does not exist. Sounds more that they have decided that the panerai buyer is not interested in that sort of thing and are a fashion brand like Hublot. Its a shame, panerai are legit.

scwazrh · 09-08-2021 02:37PM

Anyone that knows anything about Panerai knows not to trust a word from them. If its not pre-V any story that accompanies their watches designs or movement have to be taken with a pinch of salt .

Fitz II · 09-08-2021 03:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117728890#Comment_117728890

Panerai is hard enough to get into, the whole PAM numbers and Panerasti is difficult to penetrate. I would not feel confident walking into weirs and choosing a Panerai I liked the look of and it not turning out to be somehow inferior. Thus far my knowledge goes - dont buy white dials, and has to be a sandwich dial. There are a lot of editions and variations and massive price variations on watches that look the same from 5 meters.....but I suppose you can say that about most watches really.

scwazrh · 09-08-2021 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729102#Comment_117729102

That's part of the appeal with Panerai though. If you've 10 grand to buy a decent watch , you buy a Sub . If you are drawn to Panerai for whatever reason there's a lot more research to do. When you find one you like the look of it probably wont fit or will have springs bars instead of screws bar or something else that will make you keep looking.

Panerai are definitely more unique as well , how many times do you see a Panerai in the wild? If you see a Rolex on someone's wrist there's a good chance they are in sales, with Panerai you know straight away the wearer is into watches .

Like most watches I buy ,my interest in the piece would have started as a kid and for me with Panerai it was Sly Stallone's Panerai in the mid 90s.So once I was looking for my Panerai I knew a wanted a non sandwich dial, Luminor , base logo with screw bars. I ended going for the one with small seconds though but all the other details are correct. When it was time to get a sub ,it was just a standard sub..

Fitz II · 09-08-2021 05:52PM

So say a chap like me wants to get into panerai but knows nothing, maybe test the waters in that 3-6k range. What would you recommend, something classic Panerai? What are the classic Panerai models. New or Used? whats are the ones to avoid?

Wibbs · 09-08-2021 06:47PM

Fitz Was about to post that. Will Panerai never learn. I am not a big believer in in house as a necessity, but it does go to show that corners have not been cut and makes clones much easier to spot. On a 10k watch its really not on.

+1 They're chancing their arm, though Panerai always have played fast and loose with their heritage. They're not alone in that mind you.

Like you I find the in house snobbery when it's taken to that level is a bit daft and can be much more about marketing, though I take your point about corners being cut, or not. Most brands, including the fancier Swiss brands bought in movements. One could argue Rolex time only movements were bought in, only they tied the company to them. Their chronos were sourced externally until recently enough. Omega did the same with Lemania for their chronographs but didn't tie them in so exclusively. Patek bought in base movements and gussied them up. Very nicely too. Zenith hung onto in house until the 70's. Longines were pretty much all in house until the 60's when they ditched their own chrono movements and sourced them externally. Heuer pre TAG were all bought in until they co developed the auto chrono. Oddly enough cheaper non Swiss brands were more likely to be "in house", LIP and the near throwaway French Mortima stuff as examples and the Soviet stuff of course. Seiko were and remain pretty much all in house. "In house" covers the range from cheap as chips pin pallet toy watches given away in christmas crackers to AP's fettled by Swiss pixies in some slyvan glade.

scwazrh · 09-08-2021 07:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729810#Comment_117729810

Depends what's drawing you to them Fitz .You have to go bigger than your normal watch range otherwise what's the point in getting a Panerai? So for you that's 44mm & up. Obviously ignore the Due range , there is one or two interesting watches there but unless its coming at less than 50% retail there's better Panerai's to buy.

Crown protector or not ?That decision leaves you into the Submersible & Luminor range or Radiomir. I think the Crown protector is more Panerai style but the 1st Panerai's were Radiomir so really its a Radiomir that's more original. I do think the Radiomir look more dressy / expensive but as you've got the expensive looking watches covered I would suggest the Luminor.

1950's case or Luminor ?Knowing your dislike of the Tudor chrono "slab " I would lean towards the 1950s but you don't really know until you try it on.

It goes without saying not to buy Panerai at list , min 20% discount and maybe more depending on the model.Used is fine but with the size of the watch majority of them will have bangs on them and that might put you off.

I reckon a nice €4k range Panerai would be a good beater watch to sit in your collection. It would be a good one for you to review as someone who is used to the more finer watches on the wrist.

When it comes to the movements , thats not what Panerai is about .Even when they asked Rolex for movement , Rolex got someone else to make it and stuck their name on it. Obviously selling an eta as in house is not on but spending €20k+ on a Panerai is not exactly sensible and anyone doing so I would say is looking at it or Hublot and probably don't care about the movement that much .But don't all watch companies exaggerate? My moonwatch has about as much in common with the one that went to the moon as I have in common with Neil Armstrong but Omega would have me believe Im only a few steps away from being an astronaut.

Cyrus · 09-08-2021 08:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729810#Comment_117729810

IMO pam 111 is probably all the panerai you need, luminor case, sandwich dual, hand wound unitas.

1950s case is a bit uncomfortable imo unless it's the new revised thinner one.

Eoin · 09-08-2021 09:12PM

Starting to miss mine now...

Fitz II · 09-08-2021 09:41PM

Excellent reply, thanks for that. Defo for me the panerai look is crown protector and a simple uncomplicated dial. Must look into them more.

Thirdfox · 09-08-2021 09:55PM

Don't forget the Panerai 318 Brooklyn Bridge "scandal" (they forgot to pretty up the Unitas and just put in a standard grade movement into a 5k watch 🤣 )

https://watchesbysjx.com/2011/11/explaining-the-saga-of-the-controversial-panerai-pam318.html

I think the scandal was that they never(?) admitted to making a mistake… so technically quite a few fake Panerais would be finished better than that real Panerai 😅

scwazrh · 09-08-2021 10:24PM

Or how about when their Official Instagram page recently posted a fake Panerai .. they never noticed ..

scwazrh · 09-08-2021 10:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730885#Comment_117730885

In that case a good discount on this and a couple of decent straps might make this a good buy for you

https://weirandsons.ie/gents-panerai-luminor-grey-canvas-strap-manual-watch.html

Eoin · 09-08-2021 11:06PM

I'm gonna disagree with that one - sausage dial, no second hand and no display case back. I'd the 111 that Cyrus mentioned, and would recommend it.

unkel · 09-08-2021 11:54PM

I'm thinking of buying the PAM01085

But as people have said, it is really hard to find your way through the different models. Maybe one of the in-house (pardon the pun 🤣) Paneristi in here can advise? My requirements:

must have blue dial
minimum 44mm
don't like the submersible range, do like both Luminor and Radiomir ranges
clean looks, no chrono, preferably no date (although not a deal breaker), just a two hander would suffice but the little seconds is nice too
the more lume the better
I like the sandwich dial, but not a deal breaker - I think the one in above model is a not quite a sandwich dial but does have depth so not quite a sausage dial either?
budget: flexible. But I don't want to lose thousands on it when / if resale time comes. Up to a thousand is acceptable
WR, 100m is fine
don't really care about the movement, auto or manual, in house or cheap hidden ETA 😄
don't care about display case back

893bet · 10-08-2021 05:55AM

The blue dial Pams are always lovely I think. Far to big for me no doubt but lovely.

if you are worried or concerned about the future value unk that means you can’t afford it and need to buy something that is within your budget (allegedly this is the case).

micks_address · 10-08-2021 08:07AM

hi folks - i have an offer on my Seiko on chrono24 from Japan. Any concerns about dealing with someone so far away? Ive sold one watch before there but was to France so was easy enough to organize postage etc. What would be the best delivery method to Japan? Would an post take months? (Insurance aside)

Lorddrakul · 10-08-2021 08:23AM

Of all the usual watch brands talked about here, I find the Panerai hardest to understand.

To me, it appears to be a Mini marketed as Maybach.

njburke · 10-08-2021 08:42AM

I've had watches sent by FedEx from Japan for 50€. Does it the return trip cost the same? there's an online calculator.

unkel · 10-08-2021 08:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731460#Comment_117731460

I can afford it alright, but I would prefer if it didn't have a huge depreciation (after I buy it).

But you are right, a few years ago I could not have afforded it - or the better word I think is justified it - so the Omegas / Rolexes were a better choice. I really like the look and the feel of the Panerais though, I think I got the bug!

Eoin · 10-08-2021 09:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731460#Comment_117731460

Not wanting to take a bath on something that costs thousands doesn't mean you can't afford it

893bet · 10-08-2021 09:24AM

My comment was tongue in cheek (and not something I agree with). See the speedmaster vs IWC thread from the other day for context.

James Bond Junior · 10-08-2021 11:24AM

Speaking of depreciation, where would we see the Omega Aqua Terra worldtimer going. €7k seems to be a rough current price on C24. Love the lool but 7k is not in my price range. (Although I can afford it! 😂)

Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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