Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

I wouldn't mind as I don't have kids.

Apparently I'm not allowed discuss children getting vaccine in a thread about children getting vaccine unless I agree with Admin. Sorry, I have been told to leave so I will.

Ill find somewhere thats not an echo chamber.

I'm not a moderator but it appeared you were told to quit the "untested" claim

I asked about your claim that "many scientists state that a highly vaccinated population just increases the risk of more dangerous variants". You should surely be able to provide a link of same. I haven't seen any. I've heard warning about the opposite - which made sense to me

I can't answer the first part.

With all the people in the world it would be highly unlikely that you would not be able to find one single dissenting contrarian voice. For a subject such as this, to be a lone dissenting voice, you are guaranteed headlines and notoriety. But you cannot say "many"

The more virus that is floating around, there more mutations that will happen. The more mutations that happen, the more chance there is that a variant will have an advantage and persist. Vaccines cut that off at the base by stopping the amount floating around to begin with. So I have no idea what "scientist" is proposing the opposite. Or what their "logic" would be

Ah, I didnt know that. So Ireland are not waiting any additional approval?

Thanks, I didnt know that.

I think the government have misled people a bit with the implications that kids are extremely low risk. They are lower but the stats I saw said one in 100 hospitalizations. Personally I would think a tried and tested vaccine is safer than virus that keeps mutating. I think parents should do more research before deciding how low the risk is based on the schools are safe being drilled all year. I saw that in America they have quite a lot of kids in hospital and the fact that people who are vaccinated don't want to live with restrictions for another year means it could be choosing virus or vaccine.

And above we have a fine example of a lie from the extreme pro-vaccine side - this is something any parent reading these threads should watch out for, there's misinformation from both sides but the radicals pushing the "stop-the-variants" narrative onto kids don't like to be called out on theirs and will happily shout down any data even from respected neutral sources, if it doesn't match their pre-conceived opinions.

According to two studies just last week, one from Public Health England and another by the US Centers for Disease Control, there is there is a similar viral load and transmission rates between the vaccinated and un-vaccinated when it comes to Delta.

CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

PHE - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

On the optimistic side - These are early indicative studies only, which can still be disproven when more data becomes available. Previous earlier studies have also had different conclusions.

On the pessimistic side - The two studies are completely independent of each other, and came up with identical conclusions.

These sources are the same that we have trusted in every single other report they have published so far, even pre-printed and without peer review (although I'm sure it'll be totally different now, if the results don't say what the lads want them to).

CDC even considered the conclusions serious enough to revise its mask guidance and urge even vaccinated people to wear masks indoors in much of the country.

I'm not suggesting to not get your kids vaccinated, I probably will get mine vaccinated eventually - but I wouldn't get them vaccinated on the basis of misinformation and unbalanced agendas being shoved down your throat by posters that just shout everything else down.

The main thing to take in the context of this thread is that it is not some wacky scientist trying to "misuse the data" for the craic, and is definitely not "one such lie being that those infected with delta transmit just as much whether vaccinated or not" - that is pure misinformation being spread by that poster, and ironically a lie itself.

@Del Griffith wrote:

I don't think you've drawn the correct conclusion from those reports. Can you cite the specific paragraphs that support your assertion?

As I read it, it may be that people who test positive have similar viral loads, but that absolutely does not mean that vaccinated people pose the same transmission risk as the unvaccinated, for several obvious reasons.

HSE has said the 12-15 vaccinations will start this weekend. 260K-270K seems to be the total in that group.