Shining a light on 'appalling' Direct Provision system

Tweeter · 08-08-2021 12:48am #1

Removed, just sick of asylum seekers complaining about accommodation that Irish tax payers supply to them

enricoh · 08-08-2021 8:57am

Can we not just give them the full dole as soon as they land?! -it'd clear up a lot of the incessant rubbish news articles about direct provision.

Here's yet another direct provision article from the journal this morning. Over 2 years now to process asylum seekers claims- that is the real scandal. They should be processed at the airport , legit claimant's welcomed in , spoofers return to sender.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dismay-as-asylum-application-times-increase-by-over-four-months-5515160-Aug2021/

One of the quangos spokesperson is looking for an amnesty for everyone in the system at the minute. Over 8000 people, then family reunification on top of that. I wouldn't bet against it ! The 'housing crisis' needs more fuel for the fire.

Cordell · 08-08-2021 9:12am

They may be waiting for years but at least they are safe, so they should be grateful.

iamwhoiam · 08-08-2021 9:15am

Maybe I misheard but a woman was complaining that she and her three children had only one bathroom . ?

Cordell · 08-08-2021 9:18am

But at least they are the only ones dropping bombs 😀

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 9:21am

free bed and board
free internet
free light and heat
free clothes
free three meals per day
freedom to come and go as they please, as long as they check in every three days
free education for kids

In all these years I've yet to see a single instance of anybody pointing out exactly what is so barbaric or shameful about direct provision. The fact many centres are located in quiet rural backwaters seems to be the height of it.

Anybody in Direct Provision who complains about the conditions, it's like interviewing a prospective housemate who starts complaining about the cost of the utility bills, they're going on the reject list, as should any ungrateful asylum seeker who doesn't like the canteen food. The entitlement is staggering, and will only be passed down the generations.

An immediate relief to our housing crisis and our Covid debt would be to review the housing situation of former asylum seekers, of which there are over 100,000 by now. Anyone living in state provided/ assisted housing who has a less than consistent employment record, get on the boat. Easily a good few thousand rental homes brought back on to the social and private market.

You won't see housing heroes like Eoin O Broin and Rory Hearne suggesting that one, because in reality they couldn't give a phuck.

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 9:29am

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Imagine being a Journal journalist. You're likely on below 25K, you're spending 500 plus a month on rent, you're never going to afford to buy a home unless you get picked up by RTE, and there you are writing articles demanding off the boaters get handed what you might never get- an affordable, permanent home.

That is just peak loser. The Journal writer doesn't deserve a place to live. Nobody who supports this type of thing does. I wonder at what point do they realise that the asylum seekers laugh at the campaigners, they regard them as losers.

And given the amount of LGBT types in their ranks, they regard them with more abusive terms than loser.

dudley72 · 08-08-2021 9:45am

If they don’t like it then provide them with a free ticket home.

With UK out of Europe, Ireland is now the soft touch and expect us to get flooded with people. Very very few with legitimate claims. It was such a huge problem in the UK the people demanded Brexit and the sh*t storm that is…

Fr Tod Umptious · 08-08-2021 10:25am

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The problem is you can't process them at the airport.

If some family appear at the airport, from Afghanistan or wherever and claim their lives are at risk from the Taliban how is some sort of border agent supposed to verify that.

I'm not saying the process could not be quicker but if someone is seeking asylum their story needs to be verified.

It not a quick process to verify that someone calling themselves Joseph Ngogo from Gamgam village in South Sudan born on 8th August 1985 is actually who he claims he is, and that's only the start.

Masala · 08-08-2021 10:40am

anyone arriving with no passport should be held in Mountjoy til we establish who they are.

Heraclius · 08-08-2021 10:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722849#Comment_117722849

I hope you don't drop yours on the tarmac at the airport next time your passing through the airport so!

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 10:44am

Speaking of Afghanistan, it has all the makings of the next refugee crisis given the rise of the Taliban currently.

Now would be a good time for Eoin O'Broin the housing hero to seek an assurance from housing minister Darragh O'Brien that under no circumstance will Afghans be brought to Ireland and given a council/ Part V/ HAP/ long term lease home within three months in the middle of a housing crisis, in the same manner over 1000 homes were handed out to Syrians since 2015.

But he won't. Because when you believe in nothing like him and his mob it's easier to rant and rave about vulture funds rather than go after issues that are closer to home.

listermint · 08-08-2021 10:47am

Direct provision is an appalling system . Anyone who thinks keeping people up to a decade in a **** communal complex on subsistence provisions and thinks thats grand really needs to have a bit of introspection.

The asylum process needs to be sped up and funded properly. If it was it would probably save the tax payer millions in renting out large old hotels and the likes of mosney.

Instead it's under funded and we throw money at the private sector to house these people. It's for profit right now and that's ridiculous.

Masala · 08-08-2021 10:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722857#Comment_117722857

i’ll Just show my Driving License, PSC Card, Work ID all with Photo ID

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 10:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722877#Comment_117722877

But they are free to leave and go home whenever they like. They are there for a decade because they somehow get to lodge appeals to prevent being deported to perfectly safe countries. This idea that they are incarcerated for a decade is hilarious. They are by and large a gang of entitled moaners who deserve no sympathy off the hard working taxpayer.

Heraclius · 08-08-2021 10:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722883#Comment_117722883

Ah now, you set up your system to be passports only. Unfortunately its off to Mountjoy with you based on your own rules. I'm terribly sorry! I'm sure the system will clear up the situation but unfortunately there's a bit of a delay so you'll be processed in about a year.

mikemac2 · 08-08-2021 10:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722877#Comment_117722877

The system works fine. If someone is in the process for years it is because of endless appeals.

Processing at the airport is far too drastic but one application and one appeal seems reasonable.

But currently you have endless appeals and if you frustrate the system long enough you get what you want as it’s too late and unfair to deport school going children and Ireland is all they remember

listermint · 08-08-2021 10:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722906#Comment_117722906

The system works fine . Then in the next sentence saying a different approach would be reasonable...

See what I mean.

listermint · 08-08-2021 10:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722896#Comment_117722896

Or 5.

enricoh · 08-08-2021 11:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722877#Comment_117722877

Underfunded?! Do you agree with minister roderick o Gorman that all asylum seekers should get keys to their own accommodation within 4 months of arriving here?

crooked cockney villain · 08-08-2021 11:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722975#Comment_117722975

Young Rod really is a weird, creepy little man. Just something incredibly off about him.

mikemac2 · 08-08-2021 11:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722913#Comment_117722913

How many appeals should be allowed? Is it reasonable to appeal for years and years when your application is rejected?

Stovepipe · 08-08-2021 11:56am

People get exported home/out of Ireland every day, you just don't see it on the news or hear about it on social media. Anyone who works in our airports,who has a role in Immigration or the Gardai or Airport Police will confirm this.

08-08-2021 6:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723108#Comment_117723108

Do you have the figures for number of failed asylum seekers deported? I can't find them anywhere.

Atlantic Dawn · 08-08-2021 6:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722626#Comment_117722626

Yet she became pregnant again with number 4 which is due on September...

Esther Adegoke has three children, with a fourth due in September, and said that living in Direct Provision is a struggle. "Our living conditions are so cramped. We’re in a tiny apartment sharing one toilet. I know change is supposed to be on the way but I’m here now four years and it’s becoming unbearable."

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0807/1239597-galway-direct-provision/

08-08-2021 6:22pm

We're been taken for mugs by our political class

0ph0rce0 · 08-08-2021 6:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724636#Comment_117724636

What does she want? A toilet each? hahaha.

Sure most people I know only have the one bog in the gaff.

Rket4000 · 08-08-2021 6:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723084#Comment_117723084

The system needs to be changed. For example a time frame of a couple of months at most where the application for asylum must be processed; one appeal permitted (to be assessed within one month) then either you're in and you can get on with your life outside of direct provision or you leave the country. That way people wouldn't be left living in DP indefinitely and if they are genuinely seeking asylum they should be happy to be accommodated

08-08-2021 6:40pm

More funding just means extra houses for solicitors to let out. The law will stay the same, the same nonsense appeals will keep happening, and with more funding there'll be more appeals and more work put in by solicitors.

When we get to the point that a bathroom sharing a bathroom is inhumane we've gone too far. It's funny, I would have thought that after escaping all the bombs and mortar shells and threats of rape against women and threats of kidnapping of kids and your family getting picked off it would be quite a relief just to not have to worry about that. Apparently not though, and most seem to expect a lot more for free than they would've had before any "issues" that led them to "fleeing".

Anyone who goes back to their home country at any point should instantly have their status revoked and be barred from entering the country. It's pretty hilarious stuff really.

moceri · 08-08-2021 6:44pm

Part of the problem is the endless rounds of appeals. If a decision has been made to refuse asylum, the applicant has a right to endlessly appeal the decision. Such a system leads to situations where people can spend up to 14 years in direct provision. A maximum of two appeals should be allowed and a two year time frame on a decision. Unsuccessful applicants should be rejected to allow room for those with more merit. There are not unlimited resources for asylum provision. I am personally aware of an applicant from Cameroon who has come to Ireland with one of her daughters who has complex medical needs as she feels she can access better healthcare for her here. Her husband and other children are living back in Cameroon. He has a good job. They chose Ireland for their daughters healthcare needs.

08-08-2021 6:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724746#Comment_117724746

Makes sense from her point of view. There is a miniscule chance of every been deported, will more than likely get leave to remain in a couple of years at which stage her husband and however many other children she has can move to Ireland.

Meanwhile taxpayers in Ireland can fund the medical and housing costs for her family now and long into the future.

Ireland needs some politicians to stand up and be counted, instead all we have are the government parties and opposition like Sinn Fein constantly bleating on about these poor people. Africa's population is expected to balloon to anywhere between 3 and 4 billion over the next 5-6 decades, how many of these people are expected to be allowed to move to Ireland?

Icsics · 08-08-2021 6:58pm

The problem is our porous borders. A lot of these asylum seekers are arriving from another European country, where they should be sent back to & forced to claim asylum there. There is a mini industry around the system now & too many vested interests.

08-08-2021 7:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724820#Comment_117724820

Unfortunately the abuses of the system have been going on for two decades. Your right though too many people are making too much money from it now. It's also good for politicians "brand" image, especially when they retire and look to move into private sector, NGO's sector or the ultimate gravy train an EU or UN job. Not just Ireland though, happening all over Western Europe.

It'll never end. Half a million people entered the EU during the pandemic last year to claim "asylum".

Yurt2 · 08-08-2021 7:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723108#Comment_117723108

The number of deportations exercised by the Gardai's immigration unit is far below the number of deportation orders issued. In 2019, the number of deportations acted upon was 298 (as per ESRI). I'll leave it up to readers if they think this is a large number or not, it's less than one a day on average to put it in perspective. The rest of the cases, a deportation order is issued, and the authorities cross their fingers that the individual(s) will do the polite thing and go home - let's be real here and admit that for the most part they don't, or at least there's nothing compelling them to.

In these cases, a member of AGS will accompany the deportee to their home country, be it a flight to Lagos or New York. In almost all cases it will be people who fell afoul of the law in more than an immigration law sense. All well and good, but what about the coherency and credibility of our immigration system if all one has to do is brazen it out? I for one don't think it's good enough.

Yurt2 · 08-08-2021 7:34pm

From the Oireachtas website following on from a parliamentary question to the Justice Minister:

Deportation Orders made

2014 - 742

2015 - 764

2016 - 1,196

2017 - 932

2018 - 1,187

Total

4,821

Number of persons deported

2014 - 114

2015 - 251

2016 - 428

2017 -140

2018 -163

Total

1,096

Justice Minister (C. Flanagan) response highlighted:

"With regard to the number of non-EEA nationals who have left voluntarily after receiving a Deportation Order, a person the subject of a Deportation Order is legally obliged to remove themselves from the state and thereafter remain outside the State. It is the case that in this jurisdiction as in others, significant numbers of people who are the subject of deportation orders leave voluntarily following receipt of the order. As exit checks from the State are not in use, it is not possible to indicate with any degree of precision the numbers who may be in this category but all the available evidence suggests that the number is likely to be considerable."

The bolded wouldn't fill you with confidence.

AllForIt · 08-08-2021 7:55pm

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Somehow I don't think Vusi Thabethe would be going on a long walk in her native country to 'shine a light' on the reasons that led her to seek asylum here.

So, who put her up to this? It was hardly her idea. I sense coaching from some NGO.

Mike Murdock · 08-08-2021 8:16pm

The Pamela Izevbekhai case should have been the smoking gun that the vast majority of Asylum Seekers here are taking the piss. Aided and abetted by our NGO Industrial Complex that should have been gutted of funding post-2008 crash.

€1 million in legal fees paid by the taxpayer for multiple appeals, before someone did their homework and found the evidence that she was lying.

We need reform of the whole process. 90 day turnaround once someone claims asylum with 1 appeal and that is it. And straight on a specially designated plane back home if their appeal fails.

Galwayguy35 · 08-08-2021 8:36pm

The process would be a lot quicker if there was no leave to appeal once a decision is made, if they can pay to appeal themselves then fire away but expecting the taxpayers here to foot the bill is ridiculous.

They know once they pop out a few kids there is zero chance of them ever being sent back and now that the word is out Roddy is offering them free houses Dublin airport is going to be very busy with new arrivals.

08-08-2021 8:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725137#Comment_117725137

Didn't she have the backing of some very high profile Irish politicians at the time (and who are still in power)?

There was a lot of anger amounst the political and media class when she was finally deported.

08-08-2021 8:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725216#Comment_117725216

Has there been any update on his call for an official state apology to "asylum seekers" in Ireland?

conorhal · 08-08-2021 8:59pm

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The whole notion that it's somehow unfair to deport kids because 'Ireland is the only place they have known' kind of annoys me.

My folks were economic migrants. The Irish economy was crap throughout the 60s and 70's so they sought work abroad. I myself was born in Africa to globe trotting parents and only returned to Ireland from Saudi at the age of 12 because at the time there were no secondary schools there for forigners and my parents didn't want to send me home to a boarding school in a country I'd never spent much time in except on holiday.

Being the child of economic migrants, constantly uprooted wasn't always fun, but it was just a fact of life, as it is for many Irish children whose parents have decided to emigrate to the UK, America, Australia or even further afield like my folks, who lived in some places so remote they had a paraffin powered fridge because the house had no electricity. That's how far into deepest darkest Africa they ventured. I don't think I saw a TV until I was almost 6, I thought the thing was a freaking miracle box. So I don't really feel much sympathy for kids that have to go home to Lagos or Islamabad when their parents are told that the have to leave.

Galwayguy35 · 08-08-2021 9:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725258#Comment_117725258

Wouldn't be a bit surprised if himself and McEntee come out with something in the next few months about it.

08-08-2021 9:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725403#Comment_117725403

No doubt it's on the way. Amazing how all the righteous moral people end up becoming politicians :)

I look forward to not endorsing his apology.

mary 2021 · 08-08-2021 9:32pm

I blame the lawyers on the gravy train of appeals they keep them going.

Real Donald Trump · 09-08-2021 6:20am

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Indeed, scum of the earth they are. Way too many in this country

crooked cockney villain · 09-08-2021 5:43pm

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The logic of it never fails to amaze me.

If it's psychologically inhumane to deport a child who has attended school and has school friends in Ireland, surely it is also inhumane to admit migrants aged between 5 and 17 years old. After all, they had school friends in their community in whatever country they originally came from.

The "they're now part of our community" pleas are vocal enough now for people who live in an old holiday camp two miles outside the town, what will they be like when they have spent five years living in an actual house in an estate like Roddy seems to think they should be entitled to.

09-08-2021 6:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722653#Comment_117722653

So true. The activists want to be like and friends with them but would be the ones most hated by the bogus asylum seekers if they weren't working for them.

jmreire · 09-08-2021 6:27pm

Seems to me that the first step in any event involving the Government is to get an apology..step two revolves around compensation ????? But maybe I'm wrong in this.

Spanish Eyes · 09-08-2021 6:31pm

We can forget about anything changing. This is Government sponsored, well all elected politicians seem to support immigration, legal or not. We cannot vote for anyone who questions it, because there are none out there.

I suppose the next cohort of arrivals will claim Climate Change in their country of origin and be ushered right in.

I wouldn't waste my brain cells on it anymore, it is never going to change, just get worse.

And those of us ordinary mortals paying for this are subliminally or overtly labelled Right Wing for questioning it. No win situation.

mary 2021 · 09-08-2021 7:26pm

Close the borders - period give the EU & angela Merkel the middle finger she caused all this shite in the first place. Without britain as our ally we are now merely an out post of europe and a suitable dumping ground for the criminals she imported to Germany & wants to lose so dump them in Ireland the lovely land of ass licking lackeys !!

RobbieTheRobber · 09-08-2021 7:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729952#Comment_117729952

When was Britain our ally?

I must have missed that day in history class.

Shining a light on 'appalling' Direct Provision system

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