Kanturk deaths - Greed , Pure and Simple !

Ish66 · 05-08-2021 12:03AM #1

Is Family land such a big issue that you would wipe out the entire family ? This coroners report is shocking, Fuckin Hell ? Ever heard of Share ? The utter greed of some people. I have seen it emerge in City family homes too when the red mist suddenly appears in the eyes of a previously quiet Family member, IE, I want it all............Gimme Gimme Gimme !

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/kanturk-tragedy-almost-beyond-human-comprehension-verdict-of-unlawful-killing-in-death-of-mark-osullivan-40718298.html

Strumms · 05-08-2021 12:18AM

thats way beyond greed... they are a pair of absolute psychos.

Leg End Reject · 05-08-2021 12:36AM

A tragic waste of life for nothing. All 4 in graves where money means nothing.

Ish66 · 05-08-2021 12:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117708064#Comment_117708064

Lets kill him so he can't get it and then lets kill ourselves so we can't get it either...Brilliant Plan ! Perfect, Let's do it ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmmvtX0IUHU

calfmuscle · 05-08-2021 12:49AM

The part where they taunted the mother, who was terminally ill after killing her son is the most abhorrent. I regret reading up on this case. Its incredibly sick.

Ish66 · 05-08-2021 12:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117708139#Comment_117708139

I am sorry I read it too..

corner of hells · 05-08-2021 01:23AM

I've given up with one side of my family over a piece of swamp with a fallen down cottage on it , apparently they all own it.All fcukin' five of them.And two of them never lived in it.

Even the solicitor I have is left scratching his head at them when trying to figure out their reasoning and logic.

ShatterAlan · 05-08-2021 01:44AM

If you kill for a patch of land, bejaysus, in Ireland, even if you have to murder for it then that's a badge of honour. If you walk away from such a conflict then your are a loser.

I've seen it. And it's revolting.

Jequ0n · 05-08-2021 04:20AM

It’s rather amusing because everyone involved was idiotic.

the true shocker is that a property in the middle of nowhere is worth 2m.

Immortal Starlight · 05-08-2021 06:52AM

It says the mother and cousin didn’t tell the guards that there was guns in the house but I’d say all farmers would have a gun in the house. It also says the guns were legally held so they obviously had licenses for them which could have been checked too. My god it’s such a shocking case. The things some people will do to get their hands on land and money. Absolute madness.

lisasimpson · 05-08-2021 06:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117708314#Comment_117708314

With the expansion of the dairy industry here in the last 10 years that would be normal value for land of that size.

Anyone with any knowledge of rural ireland would able to tell you of a local land dispute in families some disputes can go on for multiple generations

padd b1975 · 05-08-2021 07:00AM

"No money in farming" is a hardy annual.

Me bollix there's not!!

whisky_galore · 05-08-2021 08:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117708401#Comment_117708401

An asset that you intend to work is not money in the bank until you sell. Then you can no longer work it.

It's funny people still don't understand that.

whisky_galore · 05-08-2021 08:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117708395#Comment_117708395

And none of them have any part of it now. A stranger will come to buy it most likely.

Foolish men.

05-08-2021 08:24AM

Fallouts over land and money do happen but in that case, it was mental illness, years of ruminating over supposed wrongs, taking sides, who brought what into the marriage, who is the favourite son etc does not help though.

05-08-2021 08:26AM

A Poison Tree

BY WILLIAM BLAKE

I was angry with my friend;

I told my wrath, my wrath did end.

I was angry with my foe:

I told it not, my wrath did grow.

And I waterd it in fears,

Night & morning with my tears:

And I sunned it with smiles,

And with soft deceitful wiles.

And it grew both day and night.

Till it bore an apple bright.

And my foe beheld it shine,

And he knew that it was mine.

And into my garden stole,

When the night had veild the pole;

In the morning glad I see;

My foe outstretched beneath the tree.

TomSweeney · 05-08-2021 08:33AM

I know people allready fighting over parents will - both parents alive and well and allready the children fighting over the land/house.

Ubbquittious · 05-08-2021 11:22AM

I tried to buy a house a few years ago. Asking price was 150k but had been up for a few years and didn't sell. I offered something like 95k, they didn't take it, someone else tried to buy it for even less. Asking price was reduced to 100k and less again over the course of about 2 years. Last I heard they wanted 70 for it. It deteriorated an awful lot in the mean time. Still not sold. Perhaps they have given up at this stage. They'd have had good offers well over 100k at the start when they listed it first but there was a bunch of siblings fighting over it and they all wanted more money

Stone Deaf 4evr · 05-08-2021 12:02PM

I think the hardest part for me to reconcile is the fact that the two of them premeditated a plan to get the mother and brother back into the house, prevent them from escaping , carried out the killing of the brother and themselves.

I can see how stuff can go awry in the heat of the moment, but its amazing that neither the father or the other son had any sort of doubt that this was the wrong thing to do.

We will never know what built up to this, but one would have to imagine that all 4 played a part in antagonizing the others to the extent that such a heinous act was felt as justified.

MisterAnarchy · 05-08-2021 12:14PM

Very sad case.

From what I have heard the farm was leased out and hadn't been worked by the family in years so I fail to see why the younger son felt he had a claim on it.

If he was in his late forties and had worked the farm all his life whilst the elder brother was absent I can see how I he might have felt aggrieved.

However he was in his early 20's, just qualified from college and had his whole life ahead of him with financial security, its baffling.

We will never know exactly what happened inside those walls.

ohnonotgmail · 05-08-2021 12:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709626#Comment_117709626

there is no need to imagine anything of that sort. you're trying to make it sound like the mother and son were partly responsible.

Montage of Feck · 05-08-2021 12:39PM

It's idiotic the way land is divided up around here, everybody expecting to get a site or more. Originally land was held by the clan and sub divided out to individuals for a set period but this system got bastardised under British rule leading to the twisted mentally of today, with famine, madness and violence in between.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_farm_subdivision

cap.in.hand. · 05-08-2021 12:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709685#Comment_117709685

Wasn't the farm to be divided equally between her 2 sons...so none of them was being disinherited

05-08-2021 12:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709685#Comment_117709685

Land in Ireland isn't always about land, it's about standing and affection. We know we have a deeply unhealthy relationship with land here. This case is an extreme example of it but it's not such an outlier that we all don't know of families who have fallen out over property.

I don't think "greed" quite covers it, it's greed but it's also something else, a deep longing or a deep insecurity of some kind that as a culture we possess.

A brother killing a brother isn't so hard to believe, we have several myths based on it (Cain and Abel, Romulus and Remus etc) and we have developed Succession Laws to avoid brothers fighting over land etc. The father's role in it is harder to understand, imo.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 05-08-2021 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709736#Comment_117709736

I'm merely stating my own belief that something does not escalate to the level of a premeditated murder / double suicide, plotted purely to make the mother miserable, without there being prolonged , intense arguing and breakdown in communication or lack of compromise beforehand.

The only way to get to the bottom of what led to this would be 4 accounts from the people who are dead, so absolutely any speculation on the events are exactly that - speculation.

05-08-2021 12:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709805#Comment_117709805

It's a really interesting thing to ponder if it's some deep folk memory of the Famine alright. Iirc, the Gregory clause in the Famine Relief Acts dispossessed people who sought Poorhouse Relief, the goal was to force them to emigrate to America but the reality was it wiped out an entire class in Ireland. We are the descendants of people who saw the class below them destroyed. (I've also seen it argued that the Mother and Child Homes were a system to stop illegitimate children having a claim on family farms, we are a deeply fucked up society when it comes to land)

ohnonotgmail · 05-08-2021 12:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709868#Comment_117709868

completely unwarranted and baseless speculation on your part

Stone Deaf 4evr · 05-08-2021 01:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709885#Comment_117709885

Baseless - absolutely.

Unwarranted - I don't know about that, there is value in fully understanding how events occur (regardless of the event), so that people can learn from them.

MisterAnarchy · 05-08-2021 01:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117709809#Comment_117709809

That is correct but it seems the younger son felt he was entitled to all of the land.

He was also due to solely inherit the fathers farm.

FlubberJones · 05-08-2021 01:07PM

Greed and idiocy... a terrible cocktail

Shame the lad with some form of intelligence had to die, since the mother was very unwell.

The simpleton father and younger son... there should be no grief for them.

TheMilkyPirate · 05-08-2021 01:18PM

Youngest son sounds like an absolute head the ball and a horrible person. Greedy and spoiled beyond belief.

Kanturk deaths - Greed , Pure and Simple !

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