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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    So there are no places to divert off the proposed Strand Road cycle track into Sandymount to go to businesses there? Go on...tell us another one, you are good at the jokes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    They can still approach from south of the city. No one is denying access to the port.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except making it extraordinarily difficult to the point of making it impractical.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Q: Where does Owen Keegan fit in to this.

    A: He doesn't.

    Judge was correct to put him back in his box.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Such a ridiculous badly written article.

    Ingle talks about wanting better cycling infrastructure in the city and then she bemoans the Court judgment re Strand Road.

    She isnt a car driver and so is in a tiny minority of adults and yet she wants the city to evolve around her choices. She fails to address the issue about where the displaced traffic now using the East Link is to go,most of it wont go to the M50, if this was a convenient route for those using the East Link they would be using it already.

    The vast majority of this traffic will access the Northside of Dublin by diverting onto the Merrion Road and into the city centre turning at Haddington Road or else continuing on and going down Pearse Street and onto Amiens Street. Hundreds of cyclists use this route out of the city everyday so how is closing Strand Road to North Bound traffic going to help them,it will make these roads much busier and more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists as well as motorists.

    Can any of the ardent cyclists here explain where the displaced traffic is to go.

    Why wasnt the road closed temporarily for a few weeks with bollards, this wouldnt cost very much money and the effects of this plan would be transparent for all to see. I would be happy for this to be trialled like this but the underhand way of using Covid as an excuse to ram through "temporary proposals" is very undemocratic and its important that the Judge in this case took a stand on behalf of those who would have been so adversely affected by this plan.

    What is the situation with the other "temporary" Covid measures,eg making Seapoint Avenue one way, will planning permission have to be sought for this now too. I think this road should be reopened from October to March, there will bevery little cycling on it once the weather turns as its mostly used by people walking the pier and swimming in the forty foot and many of these people could walk or take the Dart to Dunlaoghaire instead of cycling.

    I used to like walking on Seapoint Avenue towards the sea but stopped last year as it is deserted in the evenings, I would like cars back on it this winter as the only other option is to walk on Monkstown Road which is snarled permanently with traffic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    There will probably be a certain shift in forms of transport used for some people. For those who insist on driving, is turning the steering wheel left or right (while using the indicators please!) really that difficult? As a motorist, I don't think so.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    In terms of your comment about DCC not wanting debate, would you care to remind us all of the number of consultations DCC held over the trial?

    You make the comment that the route is an artery to the port. Are you saying that the majority of vehicles are travelling to the port?

    As for the rest of your post, it really is nonsense which has been shown to be wrong.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is heading west really what you want to be doing when you know you should be heading north east.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I use the Strand Road a lot to get to Clontarf and this route is very heavily trafficked.

    If I cant go via Strand Road I will drive into the City Centre, turn at Lincoln Place,onto Pearse Street and then onto Amiens Street.

    Its not as direct a route as using the East Link but I wont have to pay the toll.

    I wont cycle this distance and nor will I get the Dart or get a bus into town and another in the city centre to Clontarf.

    There are thousands of people like me who just enjoy driving our cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You make a very silly argument. When driving from Dublin to Galway the road does not always go due east. Should people refuse to drive there as sometimes they are not facing their destination?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    "She isnt a car driver and so is in a tiny minority of adults"

    This isn't true in Dublin. Within the canals, there are plenty of households, according to the census, that don't have a car.

    dublin_percentage_households_without_cars.jpg


    From

    https://irishcycle.com/2020/05/10/data-in-images-cars-in-dublin-city-centre/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    "There are thousands of people like me who just enjoy driving our cars."

    so you mean you're clogging up strand road for your enjoyment? what a weird way of spending your time. you should take up a hobby. cycling, maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If you enjoy driving through heavily congested routes this must make it more enjoyable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I have walked from Merrion Gates via Strand Road and Sean Moore Road, and got to the East Link bridge quicker than motor vehicles. I wonder if people who just enjoy driving their cars are responsible for the slowness of traffic along the route.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Everything not aligning with your world view is "silly". I suppose if I head west for 25000km I will eventually comeback to where I came from and then just adjust by a fraction of a degree along the way to get to the north of the Liffey.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    a colleague of mine used to complain about how long it took him to get to work. he drove from killester to leopardstown; and was heard to complain about being stuck at the merrion gates. this was despite the fact that he lives less than 10 minutes walk from killester dart station and there's a bus service from blackrock dart station to our building.

    i just enjoyed the irony that he complained about being stuck because of the alternative mode of transport he'd probably have been quicker using anyway.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't care what you enjoy. Get on a DART.

    That is not a subterfuge, that is official policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    No, it was just the argument you made about not wanting to go slightly in a different direction to where the final destination is that was silly. Maybe you need to invent the transporter as per the fictional Star Trek. It could beam you and your car exactly where you want to go without having to turn the steering wheel at all. 😛



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    There was 1 Strand Road Public Consultation with no traffic analysis data supplied in advance of Public Consultation (only published with the Final Report by DCC) and neither was the question ever asked during the Public Consultation whether the public approved or disapproved of the scheme, an omission acknowledged by DCC in page 10 of the ‘Final Report on Strand Road Public Consultation’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Above in context of Seth Brundle query:

    “In terms of your comment about DCC not wanting debate, would you care to remind us all of the number of consultations DCC held over the trial?”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Mr. Cats


    Exactly this. I live on south east coast and work in D1. I have an assigned parking space at the office. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve used the parking space given that it’s healthier and less stressful to either use one of the myriad of public transport options or cycle in.

    I used to drive to an office in D2 but found it to be a really bad start and end to the workday, getting annoyed with every other road user, be they pedestrian, cyclist or motorist. My journey was sh1t and slow, and this made me frustrated at the behaviour of other drivers etc.

    Now I find it’s a part of the day that I enjoy, either getting a spin in or catching up on news or a podcast on phone etc on Dart. With public transport, there’s a walk involved on both sides also which helps keep the middle age spread at bay (partially!)

    This is way things are going - we need to build infrastructure for these options and not for single occupancy cars which is unsustainable for many reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,467 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Well written letter Paula Clancy, couldn't have said it better myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    People should be aware, that this is a campaign to block all cycling across the city not just here. Its a serial objections by minority over many years across many locations.

    The end result is that drivers will sit in a different queue as they crawl from one congested part of the city to another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭yascaoimhin


    You believe the judge is correct purely by the notion of them being a judge? Then what, pray tell, is the point of the Court of Appeal? What is the point of to process of appeal? You believe that the city council were wrong, and the judge agrees with you. That is not proof that either of you are correct in your assertion.

    You have convinced yourself that you are only against this project because you believe the City Council have not done their due diligence and you have to, but no one else is convinced, hence I will again insist that you have this self-proclaimed air of fairness that you insist on telling others about when the birds in the sky can see it's based on anything but.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭yascaoimhin


    A well written letter that abjectly ignores the central issue of the case. You're right sounds exactly like your kind of letter.

    The issue is not the planning procedure, the issue is what is covered by Section 38 of the Road Traffic Act. A section that lists all the ways a local authority can remove access to a road for the purpose of prioritising sustainable modes, including the addition of and removal of te very things the judge listen in his judgement, the additional and removal of which explicitly does not require planning permission.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why didn't you address that matter of law when it was brought before you in Court and note it in your ruling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,745 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So just to clarify, are you saying that you prefer your walking routes (like Seapoint Avenue) to have MORE exhaust fumes, more brake pad particles, more tyre particles choking up the air you breath and the environment around you?

    Maybe you should do your walks on the central reservation on the N11, while the rest of us go to parks and beaches to enjoy some fresh air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭yascaoimhin




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    We can only hope for something like this. Its in the hands of either the courts or the Oireachtas now.



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