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Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This is just dangerous misinformation again, there is no danger for pregnant women, stop implying that there is. You know what a real danger for pregnant women is who will be in and out of health services multiple times each month? Picking up SARS-COV2 and developing COVID-19.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    in fairness the poster isn’t saying there is a danger to pregnant women. All the poster said was if they were pregnant they wouldn’t take it. Just because someone has arrived at a different conclusion to you doesn’t make it dangerous misinformation.

    Additionally, any pregnant woman I know are thinking long term health and development of the baby not just the safety of vaccine to themselves. You mightn’t agree with other views, but that is okay. Having a discussion with different views is healthy and it helps people make better decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This line is a pretty common anti-vax trope which leads me to believe the poster is being disingenuous:

    "Maybe its nothing, maybe we shouldn't question anything about our own bodies which we know so well, blindly accepting what we are told."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    I wanna believe you. Could you please show me the study who scientifically shows zero risks and dangers for a foetus?

    Post edited by Liam32123 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I mean, anonymous anecdotes are all well and good.

    On the other hand, here's official UK advice based on actual data.

    Fair enough if women are hesitant about it but they have to understand that getting Covid while pregnant is very, very risky.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    Obviously all the kids should get it. We're trying to stop a pandemic. Not "cure them". Children are resivours of disease.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    Covid causes early birth or placental rejection to be exact. Happened to my sister in law. She's Polish and a bit backwards so didn't get a vacvine. She was very lucky that the baby was close enough to full term to be healthy. Pregnant women more than anyone are getting vaccines ASAP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    In addition there's the ongoing CDC study Vaccine Pregnancy Registry | CDC (139,000 births and counting) and this study based off the V-Safe data that found no anomaly for pregnant women:

    Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons | NEJM

    And yes, there was a few weirdos who went into the "Pregnant" forum to post anti-vax nonsense.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Many 10s if not 100s millions of people from the age groups currently being vaccinated here have been vaccinated worldwide already. I think I will take that evidence over anecdote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    This study you reported actually indicates that among who "..had a completed pregnancy .. 13.9%...resulted in a pregnancy loss ". Is that considered normal? I am really curious as I don't understand much of medicine and statistics



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah the number of miscarriages is surprisingly high (as I only found out when we had our first one). Anywhere between 10 and 20% depending on the mother's age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Jesus Social Media has a lot to answer for after reading through this thread. It's packed with people going on about how it's dangerous, is more dangerous than Covid itself, it's probably lethal and a lot more after they "did their research" but refuse to cite any proper source for their information other than Youtube videos and some easily discredited work.

    Now I'm the first to admit I'm not a scientist and don't understand the exact science and works behind mRNA vaccines and how they'll work, but I'll put my trust in the literal -thousands- of folks across the world who have and have stood by the massive benefits of the vaccines.

    I'm also not an expert electrician, so when I have an electrical problem in my home which I'm incapable of fixing I go and contact an electrician and get them to check it out for me because they have the tools and knowledge to solve the problem. It's literally the same basic concept.

    By all means, do some research, but accept that you don't have the answer to things you simply don't understand.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    And will all these boosters remain free of charge I wonder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    The government quoted 1/300,000 young people will get a blood clot as a result of the vaccine. If 100 million young people recieved it that would count as 333 young people getting life threatening blood clots. If this were as a result of talc powder or birth control pills for example it would be an international scandal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The rate of blood clots for someone on birth control pills is between 1/300 and 1/100 per decade (or between 1/156,000 and 1/52,000 per week of taking the pill).

    I would encourage people to read the studies and it's conclusions and not just grab some numbers from it and paste them and try and generate worry, the studies explain the numbers in detail.

    The rate of life threatening blood clots is far below these numbers again.

    Post edited by astrofool on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 Laurenf35


    Wow the shills are getting nasty

    The mask Is slipping



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually expecting those spouting continuous nonsense to actually read and understand something is pushing it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Antivaxers (or "vaccine hesitant" as those who were kid gloves refer to them) are always going to be overrepresented here. You need to consider that these people have families and friends and unless they're members of certain ethnicities/cultures, the majority of those friends and family are going to be like the 80-odd percent who prefer vaccines over covid. This means that shíting on about how mRNA isn't tested or that it's an attack on civil liberties comes across as flat-earther talk. Combine that with the fact that we're in the middle of a worldwide pandemic for which we have a good vaccine now and how people understand that it's the unvaccinated who are fighting on the side of the covid, this can have social consequences, like not being invited to group activities or being told to cop on by their peers.

    What a forum like this offers is a safe space where they can be their "vaccine hesitant" selves without any social consequences. They have to tell people about how mRNA is new but they know better than to talk such nonsense around real people so that kind of leaves this place where they'll meet similarly minded types who are here for the same reason. As a result, it can give the impression that there's loads of them when in reality this is just the place that they've all been driven to. 80-odd percent are getting vaccinated but they're not here, they're out having the craic with friends and loved ones. The vaccine-hesitant on the other hand, have nowhere else to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    You are blatantly not taking into account the fact that 1. Only half the population are women. 2. Less than 20% of women take the pill as a form of contraceptive 3. A percentage of these women will not be using it for longer than 10 years

    So when you refer to someone just grabbing numbers, were you referring to yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    How can you be so certain that it was to do with "the age group"? Where is the medical evidence or data to back up your claim that it's simply due to the age of the participants?

    There's any number of causes that effected 3 people on the same day - perhaps a faulty batch of vaccine. The vaccination centre is meant to write the batch numbers on your vaxx card to collate if there is any incidence of faulty batches. In my case whoever was the admin person on my second dose DIDN'T write the batch number on it, which I only looked at a day later. Perhaps they were too busy gathering anecdotal evidence to rehash as disinformation on a message forum. 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I don't think they include men in the figures for studies into birth control pills though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius




  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And I'm, frankly, surprised that Boards allows such dangerous nonsense to be peddled outside the Conspiracy Theories forum.

    But then misinformation drives hits and advertising views



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not anti Vax. I am fully vaccinated myself with AZ. So are both my adult children with Moderna and Pfizer. My older daughter got Covid last Sept when she was 8 months pregnant. She was no sicker than if she had a cold and recovered within a week, she went on to have a normal delivery and a healthy baby.

    All I was saying if from having worked in a vaccination centre for 6 months, the reactions we saw in the younger cohort this week to Pfizer was concerning and it was the first time we saw such reactions. I am also saying from having worked mostly with women for the last 6 months that 3 of them had sudden bleeding the day after the Moderna. Probably all purely coincidental. But I am just giving my experience first hand from daily observations working closely with people being vaccinated. I am not being disingenuous or spreading dangerous misinformation . I am as entitled to post my experience as you are to have your opinion. I am not attacking you for your opinion or calling you disingenuous. Have a nice evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This is the most bizarre misunderstanding of numbers I've seen on boards for a long time (and there has been some doozys on this forum).

    Do you want to take a minute and start again?



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are spreading dangerous misinformation because the experience of a handful of people in a single vaccine centre is not representative of the population, yet here you are sharing private information of what happened in a single centre with a couple of individuals as representative of the vaccine experience in general and also the support you own “vaccine hesitant” viewpoint. Not only is it dangerous it’s also incredibly unprofessional



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This downplays those women who have had stillbirths and miscarriages caused directly by COVID, you are saying you wouldn't take a vaccine if you were pregnant based on some anecdotal evidence from 3 women you work with, if you were working in a vaccine centre, you should know about all the studies that are being carried out or read some of those that I linked to before spreading fear and doubt among others. Again, some of the terms you are using are straight from anti-vax sites, but if you are being ingenuous, do talk to some of the doctors and vaccinators that you are working with, you are trying to post with authority that you worked in the field, do not abuse the trust that may be placed in you because of that.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don’t think you understand how rare 1 in 300,000 actually is, or that the vaccine monitoring system which identified this clotting issue also allowed mitigation to be put in place significantly reducing the risk yet further. The same vaccine monitoring system which after billions of doses administered continues to find it remarkably safe. As the months goes on the safety continues to be demonstrated, so much so that the misinformation campaign appears to have ramped up massively to try a drive division through appealing to an emotional response through outright lies, as the actual data is telling us one thing only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Any chance the older people have a enough sense to have a descent breakfast and something to drink before they come in when the 20 somethings think they are bullet proof and come in starving.

    By the way thanks for posting your experience is your own and Ignore the militant fools on either side, I've added a few the ignore list



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭berocca2016


    What kind of healthcare worker are you ? Just the way you're presenting evidence of correlation without evidence of causation. This is just a bit strange considering medical workers would be coming from a STEM background......



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