Prosecutions of British military veterans in Northern Ireland.

maybe they found info the RUC had overlooked. they were good at overlooking things that might incriminate soldiers, members of the UDR and themselves

Remember the statues that were toppled last year, when it seems people discovered History's sordid past...

It would be interesting to make those same people aware of things like this.. Would they agree with how things have gone, or would they disagree..

They apparently have most of the answers after centuries of getting everything wrong.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57918718

As I say - they werent great when it came to investigating anyone on their side - including the UDA

They are happier discussing stuff that happened 50 years ago, rather than examining the hypocritical u-turns in more recent times.

"Yet, Boris Johnson has only delivered what SF incessantly pleaded for from Blair, immunity from prosecution. He even offered it to them publicly in 2006, an offer they only abandoned when the SDLP pointed out it would cover state actors."

The evidence we have suggests that the IRA are more than willing to take part in a Truth Recovery process.

I read this document before I decided to vote for SF in a GE.

I know you probably won't read it as you are part of an establishment that won't allow SF's mandate under any circumstances. But it adamantly calls bullshit on the trope in the first part of your post. The power swap and the British do not want a Truth Recovery process for the same reason the British want an amnesty for their colluders and killers.

iii) This type of mechanism can be trusted The ICLVR demonstrates that this type of mechanism can be trusted. That the ICLVR has been seen to work by those intended to engage with the ICIR mechanism is important: It’s something practical that you can point to, to the ex-combatant or former security force constituency to say: this thing can work. Because the misgivings for them will be, well why…should we if we’re liable to be prosecuted…you can say: this worked.6 Indeed, one senior Republican ex-combatant interviewed for this research elucidated this: we in the political ex-prisoner community did…a series of meetings and talks with people…about…how they would feel about becoming involved in a process of truth recovery…what we had in mind was some sort of a process whereby people on a collective basis could be requested to give information to a group of very trusted and confidential comrades…And the example that we used was the process of the recovery of the remains. And in the main, most guys would have been comfortable with that.7 The Importance of Leadership Effective leadership from those involved in these processes is extremely important. With regards the ICLVR, leadership has been essential for both the ICLVR and Republicans engaging with the search process. Leadership has been described as: Crucial…once the Republican leadership – both Sinn Féin and the IRA – engaged with this issue properly and created their own structures in order to manage it, that’s when the issue begins to be resolved…It doesn’t work until you have that top-down commitment to making it work. So it’s absolutely central.8

dempster180418.pdf (niassembly.gov.uk)

I don't trust any party or any government, that is why I stand fully behind the need for an opposition fulfilling it's function.

You trust away in your own judgement, just try and evidence the rubbish you talk the next time.

The evidence shows that once a process was established the IRA did what they said they would, trusted it and took part in it.

are you saying you believe that the ira and sf are honorable ?

your really going to stand over that statement ?

and thus ends my interest in being involved in a discussion with you mate

enjoy your fantasy world

my post was very clear , if you lac the ability to understand that , well im not surprised but then its on you

im not even gona start to explain that to you, its below the standard required for a discussion

cya

There are plenty who will stand over that statement, notwithstanding the failure of SF and the IRA to deal with the issues of Mairia Cahill, Paul Quinn, the disappeared, etc., not to mention their repeated lies about Gerry McCabe.

there are plenty who will vote SF in the next election - thats what really sticks in your graw. you have already shown many times you have very little understanding of what occurred in the north or what the IRA etc were about.

Will you stop.

You could accuse any supporter/voter for any party of the above.

Trite nonsense to avoid having to debate an issue.

Whenever the likes of Jamie Bryson or posters on here don't want to confront the fact that state collusion and killing is fundamentally different to paramilitary killing the 'glorification' nonsense eventually comes out.

Yeah, watching. Appalling stuff. Murdering bastards.

This x1000

Many SF/PIRA supporters will cry foul when the British did something sneaky.

Yet, when its one of their own, well hey, as the poster you are referring to said once, 'It is not a crime to fight for Ireland', or the best yet, it was a war and regrettable things happened, as they do in all wars.... or something like that.

I guess blowing up babies and children isn't a crime then, as it's for 'da cause'.

Grade A hypocrites many of them are.

Kinda like saying, when a bomb kills a 3-year-old toddler, saying it was worth it for the cause, as it helped Nationalists.... eh?

I have been on record saying that people who are guilty of such things, be it Solder F, or whoever should be brought before the courts and sentenced.

But I am not a fool either. SF will ham this stuff up for political purposes, while they protect their own.

SF has it in its power to help the victims of the Guildford and Birmingham bombs for example but refuses to cooperate with that inquiry. Why is that?

You have repeatedly stated there should be no hierarchy of victims, but it seems you care more about the people who pulled the trigger for ideological purposes than anything else, to make political hay out of it.

Using the dead, to garner more votes. That is what people are up to here.

Francie, do you support calls for a public inquiry into the Birmingham bombs and would you call for all in SF/PIRA to cooperate with it?

Haha, so you want one side to be fully transparent, while you are OK with SF/PIRA hiding behind decades of anonymity and protecting the people who murdered 22 innocent civilians.

Case closed for you I think. People can judge for themselves the forked tongue language.

I am not excusing anything. In fact, it appears you want to have a hierarchy of victims here. You want the victims of Bloody Sunday and the like put on a pedestal first and foremost, while you reject any notion that SF/PIRA would cooperate in any investigation where other innocent civilians died.

If you want the 'Truth for all', then why do you reject the notion that SF/PIRA cooperate with any investigation into the Birmingham bombings? It costs nothing to do the right thing.

Ill ask again, why don't you ask SF/PIRA to cooperate with any public inquiry into the Birmingham bombings? Because it may hurt SF?

Thought so!

I didn't 'reject' any notion.

Read again: I said I would not call on the IRA to enter a process of Truth Recovery on their own.

That HAS to be all players or none.

If that is not clear that is your problem not mine.

Please do not extrapolate that into a hierarchy of victims.

I do have a hierarchy of responsibility though, something wholly missing in your biased and pathetic deflecting blame game, as any reading the thread can see. You and people like you, use victims for political game all the time - the 'selective list of victims of one side'.