Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

It keeps both sets of idiots apart!

If anyone ever wonders how nations and leaders in history were allowed commit unimaginable atrocities, it was because of attitudes like above. No value whatsoever on liberty

wanting misery for the sole purpose of being able to gloat on others

grim

Was going to leave it , but the utter sxxxe from that guy that's being thanked and lapped up by some very gullible people on here deserves reply.

Vaccination among healthcare workers is up in the 90% for Covid . Voluntarily, I might add .

Flu vaccination in recent years was in the 60 s . Because Covid is not the flu .

Some of the posters here have shipped over from the Relaxations thread because a) a few are banned there ,and b) nothing going on there now as pubs etc are open .

Here we are with a successful vaccination campaign that has reduced serious illness and deaths ,and most cases are mild , moderate in those admitted with underlying conditions mainly , but yet somehow the posters who are now posting here are trying to rewrite the mayhem that happened in our hospitals , particularly in the early months this year .

Do I have to explain again how sick people were, even the few that tested positive when admitted for something else , because only emergencies were being admitted then as we were swamped ...or that when cases were so high in the community health care workers got infected and passed it onto vulnerable patients in some hospitals ?

This has been discussed and gone into in depth over all these Covid threads.

Yes this did increase the numbers , but these outbreaks were detailed before the hack. And numbers of patients tested in hospital or suspected cases tested on admission were also detailed.

It makes little difference as the burden is the same , as patients with Covid or anything else with this infectious disease still put pressure on beds, isolation facilities and nursing care like no other infectious disease any of us have ever seen in our lifetime .

The fact that now when we are coming near the end of this that some would now be trying to disingenuously ingratiate themselves on the thread having (re) reg'd 10 or 11 days ago , calling it all a hoax , just beggars belief .

The only difference clarity in the numbers would make is to show people that our vaccinations are in the main working and that some of those that are being admitted now are not swamping the system .

I know some of the hospitals in the NI are under pressure even with less severe illness , due to the high numbers of "moderate" cases being admitted .

Hopefully that won't happen here at the rate our vaccinations are going and that we are only now opening up , and I am genuinely feeling positive for the first time in the last 18 months .

ICU cases are 40% older residual cases but the rest are new admissions , very sick people ..

That is all I have to say about that .

As for the exact breakdown of numbers presently in hospital ..It was within Dr Leo's remit to ask for clarity on this whenever ,, which would have been more in his line to do a year or more ago , but no doubt this is a move to improve his image before the next term of Taoiseach comes around especially after his party's poor show at the recent bye election , so we can brace ourselves for more of the same .

While the link between cases and hospitalisations was consistent it didn't really matter. Now that has changed and that link looks to be broken with numbers not getting anywhere near NPHET claims so they become real life data for the government to use, especially to push back on modelling and to make other decisions about easing restrictions.

Wait for tomorrow, Wednesday bump and stuff.

Cases don't matter now, just hospital numbers.

They weren't " claims " ..it was projections based on variables , which changed even while those models were being worked through.

NIAC recommendations for vaccination with AZ and Jand J for younger age groups and subsequent ramping up of the vaccination program to include those down to 18 and now 16 and 17 year olds. Also the fact that indoor hospitality was pushed out another week while this was happening has ensured we are now way ahead of previous projections and will more likely have most of the population over 12 offered a first dose before end of August .

Big difference to what could have happened if we had followed the same path of infection as NI , for example.

They always have confidence intervals built in though .

Some people just take the headline from the journalists that go with the most extreme and then come back a few weeks later with " see they were manipulating / massaging the figures ! " .

NPHET have themselves covered so far

"It is noteworthy across all scenarios that case counts rise very slowly during July 2021. However, the seeds of future growth are sown at this time, and case counts increase exponentially through August 2021 until a combination of vaccine-induced and infection-induced immunity slows growth through September and October 2021. "

Are we not on track to surpass their optimistic scenario cases _if_ cases plateau now, and without everything even being (officially) open?

This lad hoped the numbers would go up! Absolute looper!!