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F1 2021 Round 10 : Silverstone

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    In fairness it's akin to the English football team and the media and Lewis can do no wrong, if anyone thinks that they are severely blinkered and believe everything that's fed to them.

    I can't remember but did Hamilton ask was he okay before the stop or after? I'm only stirring the pot btw, I don't think people are that malicious in the sport but would seem strange he didn't ask that over the radio immediately after the instance.


    These days every is on the radio so you'd nearly want to take most of it with a pinch of salt as the other teams and then of course fans can also hear it!



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    In fairness he probably only realised there was something serious when the red flag went out.

    Bono needed to give him a better message than that as well. It smacked of ‘yeah he’s grand’ to me when he was clearly very visibly shaken.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I'm not a Hamilton fas by any stretch, however I do not believe for a moment that he deliberately crashed into Max. My only criticism is that the 10 second penalty was not severe enough. Wether Hamilton asked how Max was or when is neither here nor there for me.

    This was exciting aggressive racing and I would like to see more of it (without anyone being hurt of course). Although I believe Max to be a far superior driver this could have easily have been Hamilton off the track.

    I think it is time to move on and for the FAI to review the penalties that they dish out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Think it's slightly outside the FAI's remit 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Last time we saw something like this? Isn't one of the crucial difference between the incidents the fact that Schumacher steered into Villenuve?

    I dislike Hamilton, I was sour watching him win after his mistake took max out of the race, but let's try to keep the criticism based in reality.

    It's a bit embarrassing to see people suggest things like Hamilton tried to kill Max or this is like Jerez 97. Ridiculous stuff that even the posters would cringe if they look back on these posts in a week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭geotrig


    Just my view and I'm slightly conflicted on it , I used to love in the 80's when things like this happened and you'd see drivers racing (running) back to the pits to get the 3rd car it was all part of the excitement for me , seeing mercedes bandage up the car is not exciting but if the bandaged up the car and had to start from the pit and then take a 10sec penalty on their next stop well that might work.

    This mostly comes down to a racing incident from driver mis-judgement , as good as a driver as Hamilton is he is not great at these close battles at best of times as we've seen especially drawn out over a good few corners ,Max is a better but does take more risks at times so still causes crashes ,think the rules need to change for these instances somewhat ,in that a if a race is red flagged like the weekend then no work should be done on a car unless deemed otherwise dangerous by the race stewards ,i.e flat mangled tire hanging of nose wing etc. and maybe a pit start if you have to rechange.

    The bigger problem for me is not the penalty that was issued* if it was a stop go then you have to do it within 2-3 laps but the 10secound penalty can be taken at the next stop or if close to the end of the race added to your time this is nonsensical as the penalty can be managed away some what with race progression by the time Lewis had to take it the field was spread out and penalty somewhat mitigated.

    I think this is were motogp have been clever they have a longer lap for penalties so just say you get a 5 second penalty then you have to do this extra stretch of lap within 2 laps and complete you penalty 10 seconds do it back to back. I know its probably not doable on some circuts but the timed penalty is a bit of a farce really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I actually have no problem at all with how it played out, Hamilton asked about Max and Bono told him enough to keep his mind on the rest of the race.

    I think there’s a lot you can dislike about Hamilton, but some people really have invented a comically evil character of him in their heads!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭murphyebass


    He’s creating his own comically evil character all by himself with his actions in this race and previous ones. Couple that with how fake he comes across it’s not hard to see how people have lost the rag on this one.

    He has to be the most insincere person on the planet.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    People are saying he hit him on purpose, tried to kill him and that he was fed a line to ask if Max is ok.

    Not for the first time, you completely ignore all of that and instead say Lewis asks for it, when he absolutely doesn’t.

    Accusing a driver of trying to kill another on is an absolutely disgraceful thing to say, regardless on your opinion of that driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Debub


    Hamilton was definitely at fault here, though off course I don’t believe that he was there to deliberately bump off max - I don’t think he would have wanted to take a chance on getting his own car damaged. He seemed just a tad bit desperate to get past Max on that lap itself, knowing it might be difficult to do it later on. I also feel that the penalty should have been a StopGo one to be taken immediately, the 10 sec one was a bit lenient seeing that he had already got his car repaired during the red flag session which was also an advantage in a way.

    But apparently FIA explained that the penalty is based on the incident itself and not the consequence of the incident as explained in the link.

    "He wasn't seen as wholly to blame for it but he was seen as predominantly to blame. He could have tucked in further and that could have changed the outcome but we don't know, we judge it on the incident itself."

    "So when they are judging incidents, they judge the incident itself and the narrative of the incident and not what happens afterwards as a consequence.”




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Joeface



    @debub , and as your post outlines its the incident it self , 10 secs seems to be the norm , which I was surprised with

    Bottas V Ricciardo in Hungry Bottas 10 second Penalty

    Vettel V Bottas in France , Vettel 10 second Penalty

    Verstappen V Ricciardo in Hungry , Verstappen 10 Second Penalty

    Kvyatt V Hulkenberg in Mexico , Kvyatt 10 Second Penalty

    The incident reports are similar regardless of what happens afterwards as a consequence .


    The Penalties get longer depending on what you do as well ,

    Vettel bumping Hamilton behind the Saftey car , that was a Stop Go Penalty

    Perez Bumping Sirotkin , Drive Through Penalty . Both seen as intentional so more severe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭murphyebass


    I haven’t once accused him of trying to kill Max.

    But could it have been a byproduct of his careless driving I’d suggest yes.

    Ultimately he got over racey in a place he shouldn’t have.

    Would Max have attempted the same? Maybe but on this occasion it was Hamilton.

    Any actual F1 fan can see what happened here.

    The racism that followed was bonkers.

    The calls of unsportsmanlike etc though were spot on.

    Going to be an interesting end to the season that’s for sure.

    Both will have their elbows out now.

    Both will need their second driver helping them.

    For that reason I’d say Hamilton will be an 8 time champ at the end of all of this.

    If I didn’t despise him so much I’d have a flutter on him. Someone said he was 3/1 !! Those odds are insane.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Where did I accuse you of saying that? I never.

    I said you were ignoring what people were saying and instead implying that Hamilton asks for it. No driver asks for that.

    Vast majority of people here (myself included) know whose fault it was. The problem I have are those who are eager to just go one step too far for the simple reason that it's Lewis Hamilton.

    Hamilton gives people plenty of reasons to dislike him and yet some fools here think it's alright to just make up disgraceful lies like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    Decent post,this place can be odd as fcuk with the hate dished out on trivial things,cant attack his car or skill then they go after his clothes or him being insecere,as a fan of the sport and not any particular team/drivers it hilarious watching the lengths some go to!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    The Grosjean incident was life threatening. His car pierced an unprotected metal barrier head on and was engulfed in flames so he could have been decapitated or burnt to death. Verstappen hit a tyre barrier side on so the risk to his life would have been far less given the strength of the cockpit surrounding him. It was not that serious a shunt. Drivers know the difference. If anything I think Max may have been play acting a little in the aftermath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,940 ✭✭✭✭skipper_G


    Been involved in many 51G crashes yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    That may be true but the sheer amount of defending the indefensible at times also is ridiculous so place can be odd as fcuk from that perspective and on balance it's even moreso!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    You see, I prefer to visit the motorsport boards to discuss things like "great drive by LeClerc" "Oh look Mazepin has spun again", "Lando is owning Ricciardo right now", "I wonder where Russell is driving next year" and not rubbish like "I hate that fooking woke monkey and heres why everyone on Boards should do too"

    I was proud that F1 fans don't go down to the murky levels of England football fan haters, that Lewis and Max fans could mix together in Silverstone safely and have a ball.

    That pride has been shattered this week. 🙁

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Whoa, that's reaching a bit, nobody has used any racial slurs against him on this forum ever.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Max play-acting after that? Chatting sh*te here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ha. Not sure where you got the impression that f1 fans were immune to that kind of nonsense.

    Between suggestions that Hamilton tried to kill max and the the incident was akin to Jerez 97.

    Fact is it was a crash where one driver was more to blame than the other and while the infraction was relatively minor, the consequences (in terms of the championship and safety) were relatively major.

    The punishment fits the crime, not the consequences of the crime and from that perspective, justice was served. If the punishment was supposed to fit the consequences of the crime, then justice would not have been served.

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    The punishment didn't fit the crime though. I've said it before, some people have blinkers on when looking at what happened. Honestly think some posters on here watched a different race and most of them were Lewis fans!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Can you post a quote where any of what you have in quotes please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I can't quote what isn't there, and there has been no discussion about anything else except Lewis, OK the monkey term wasn't from boards it was from the comments section of Max's instagram post where it garnered 7k likes before a moderator quietly took it down.

    Hate has won here. People are following Formula1 purely to hate Hamilton and they're succeeding in dragging all formula one fans with them.

    Lewis needs to withdraw from the championship and move to Indycar as soon as possible.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    There has been plenty of discussion but seeing as it was the main incident in the race what do you expect people to talk about, strange post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    So basically you made stuff up about people on boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,590 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You can't quote it but can talk about it. While complaining about people dragging down the discussion. When its only YOU discussing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,973 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    but it did

    FIA Race Director Michael Masi has defended the decision of the British Grand Prix race stewards to award Lewis Hamilton a 10-second penalty for his part in the clash that saw Max Verstappen retire from the Silverstone race on Lap 1.

     But speaking after the race, Masi said that it was the stewards’ job to award penalties based on the incidents themselves, rather than on their outcomes.

    “So when you judge incidents, they judge the incident itself, the merits of the incident and not what happens after as a consequence, and that’s been something the stewards have done for many years and have been advised to do from the top down – and I’m talking team involvement and so forth. That’s the way the stewards judge it, because if you start taking consequences into it, there are so many variables rather than judging the incident itself.”

    The stewards’ verdict deemed that Hamilton had been ‘predominantly’, rather than ‘wholly’, at fault in the incident – with Masi going on to explain how Hamilton might have avoided sanction, which also included two penalty points to take his current tally to four in the last 12 months.

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    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Ah yeah, sure the stewards never got anything wrong did they. That's fine above but to me it still didn't and some of their decisions have left fans and commentators scratching their head in previous occasions. As for the incident that Hamilton was 'predominantly' at fault for it send Max in to a wall. This is the incident not the aftermath. Of course Michael Masi is going to come out and defend the decision, never expected otherwise.



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