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Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,780 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    Just to give another bit of insight into the 12-15 age group, as well as allowing unvaccinated kids into restaurants.

    I'm the parent of what would be seen as a cohort 4 12-15 year old, and while some dismiss the thoughts of that age group getting vaccinated as a bit mad, we have been living the 'cocooning' lifestyle since March last year. It's irrelevant that I'm fully vaccinated, with the risk still there, my child is still separated from social interaction with friends along with a whole host of activities. When the EMA approved Pfizer for adults, NIAC approved it for Ireland within a week. The EMA approved Pfizer for 12-15 year old in May. There is absolutely no reason why NIAC cannot approve it, so all this BS about it now being requested by the Minister is crap. There would be political fallout if teens (even those in a vulnerable category), got it while some adults are still waiting. The perception is that they don't suffer with covid in the media, so the narrative suits to leave the approval hanging out there.

    In relation to allowing unvaccinated kids into restaurants, of course it increases risk of transmission outside of the vaccinated adult grouping. To say otherwise is denial of simple facts, whereby everything that is opening up is based on vaccination levels. And yes, it might be 'unfair' if they weren't allowed in, but the medical facts and level of fairness can be mutually exclusive of each other. I like to compare it to the taxi driver exemption for child seats. It's not 'fair' for a taxi driver to be expected to carry all different types of car seats, therefore they are exempt from doing so. A law which I think is complete lunacy, as the law doesn't magically make it safe for a 6 month old to sit on the lap of it's parent, yet it is perfectly (and legally) acceptable. Either it's safe or it's not, end of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I've no idea about how strict they would be in a general sense, all of those I know who are vaccinated got it by means not involving the MVCs. I'm going by the publicly-stated required docs for being vaccinated in an MVC.


    As for crackpots, I mean those who are looking for an extra 3rd / 4th dose by signing up for the same vaccination regime twice. The idea of boosters in Ireland is still not part of the current rollout as we still have many adults waiting to get vaccinated. Mixing and matching is better in any case for those folks, but that introduces real complications in the rollout. Also data is lacking in how cohort 3 / 4 would benefit from such a tweak, especially when right now the biggest priority is to reduce case numbers by vaccinating 18-25 year olds.


    If there is a theme across Europe about the vaccination program, possibly the countries that allowed demand-led vaccination sooner are the ones who have kept the spread of delta suppressed to now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @lucernarian If there is a theme across Europe about the vaccination program, possibly the countries that allowed demand-led vaccination sooner are the ones who have kept the spread of delta suppressed to now.

    Another way to look at this is that vaccine hesitancy helps suppression in the short term by spreading immunity more evenly.

    That said, I don't understand why Ireland's cases have been flattish for so long and now spiked. Delta has been around for a while now. I can think of no change in restrictions or behaviour that aligns with the recent spike. BBQs? Who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Champagne Sally


    Did anyone receive their Vaccine Cert through the post yet? I was vaccinated through my GP and I believe we will get ours posted but no sign of it yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭votecounts


    My Father got his last week in the post. Cork area



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    No sign and traveling this week, was onto helpline Friday, they couldn’t tell me if or when it would be posted. So who knows!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Champagne Sally


    That's annoying pc7 for you. Hopefully it arrives before you go. I'll keep you posted if mine arrives this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,077 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Polish friends telling me testing is scarce there and nobody seems to care about what theoretical restrictions are in place. Also claiming that the testing procedure is questionable with very young people carrying out the test and only taking swabs from the nose or throat, offering the patient the option of which one they prefer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,077 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Every age cohort has to get it if we want to completely eradicate the virus. This is how we've gotten rid of so many pathogens in the 20th century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The question is still undetermined whether we need to do kids. 12-15 year olds may need to be included but so far it looks like the only ones will be those at risk in that age group. We won't be getting rid of SARS-COV-2 any time soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    My own layman's thinking about the recent spike is that it might have more to do with recent bigger sporting events where people might huddle in close proximity together to watch on TV. Though I think behaviors might be slowly changing as well as the case numbers have lost their dread factor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,448 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Does she have a Public Services Card (one of the new ones with the photo) Work or 3rd level college ID should be fine also

    Make sure she has her PPS number as that's probably more important



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    440,000 doses done over the week, boosted by the pharmacy j&j doses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I never said the fact that I caught Covid was the HSE's fault - it was entirely own mistake even though I've followed public health advice considerably beyond what many I know were bothered to do.

    What is the 'fault' of the HSE is that I, supposedly more at risk in 60s age group was left partially vaccinated at a time when people 20 years younger in the general population were fully jabbed. This was a direct result of their planned programme to allocate AZ vaccine to one sub group of the general Irish population. The HSE and government developed this scheme with it's planned 3 month gap between doses and using a manufacturer with known supply problems.

    What is amusing is that many of those who defend the use of AZ, in fact themselves would be lining up for mrna vaccines.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Someone queuing with me was pulled aside and gained entry with their ATM card and first dose card



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    Got first Pfizer yesterday in WIT Arena, such a well oiled machine! In an out in 20 mins! (5 mins process + 15 mins observation)!

    Impressive operation!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    So, you think it would have been acceptable (to you and others) if the 50-59 group got vaccinated before the over 60's, which would have left that group with no protection for longer than was necessary?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭twiglet24


    No, unfortunately she doesn’t have PSC - yet - it’s on her to-do list!

    She is going to go anyway as she actually has two forms of work ID and knows her PPS by heart.

    I’ll tell her to take something official with it on too, just in case, but given that pretty much any adult can get vaccinated now, I am optimistic that the ID won’t be an issue.

    Thanks for the reply. 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    I defend the use of AZ and took it. At the time one dose of AZ was shown to be very effective against severe disease and still is. You could have been waiting a lot longer for an mRNA vaccine first dose. You got some protection earlier. Its revisionism to say it was a poor decision. It was the right thing to do, at the right time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That is a very impressive number and close to what the HSE stated some months back. Is that data anywhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    To get the 440,000 doses, I've just compared the total doses as at yesterday from the dashboard (5.178 million) to the dashboard from 11th July (4.739 million). you can also see the increase in the number of J&J doses administered - about 83,000 - and I think all of those are being done through the pharmacies.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-18-july-2021.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I would be sceptical about 'assigning blame' re catching covid.

    By saying that some party (whether the HSE or the person themselves) is 'to blame' for an infection that is really a veiled assumption that our technical ability to control the spread is absolute.

    Back in the real world the incredibly crude theoretical methods for stopping spread (cloth masks, lockdowns, coughing into your elbow) are not some seamless technology, they are a wing and a prayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Not sure if anyone has seen this or published on boards. It is very promising and with boosters coming, excellent potential for the mixing of adenovirus and mRNA vaccines. It is a long thread, worth the the read.

    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1416020128291082245



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b



    This is real world data, but it will be interesting to see other updates from the around the world. It is a big drop , hence the decision by Israel for boosters - Pfizer. My question is, as other countries are mixing the vaccine technologies and real world data is being released, I wonder if the there will be a change in vaccination program, for booster in the next few years. Covid is here to stay in one format or another. As we learn more about it etc adjust how it is mitigated.

    Any thoughts ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Vaccines per 100k per population

    Ireland 104

    N Ireland 115

    If the current rate of vaccinations continue the Republic will over take the North in the 2 to 2.5 weeks.

    UK as a whole is at 121. Its really slowed down there. Maybe Ireland will overtake UK in 4 5 weeks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Has anyone got J&J in a vaccination centre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Have testing numbers gone up? Is so and the positive rate has increased, that may explain it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    They were using j&j in the vaccine centres for the 50 year olds back in May/early June. I know plenty in that age group who got it in an MVC. But it is only being used in pharmacies as of now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    Does anyone know how long City west is taking to get the jab on average?

    I have my vaccine at 3.15 today. Dreading hanging around in the sun for ages.



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