Second Captains Part II

~Rebel~ · 03-07-2021 12:20AM

Arghus wrote: »

I know he's an acquired taste, but I don't mind Damien Delaney all that much. Maybe it's only because I've so far only had small doses of him, but when I've heard him speak I think he does an okay job of explaining things from the footballer's perspective. I appreciate that his insight is from lived experience.

With the likes of Ken, Eoghan, Murph most of what they're saying about the how and the whys of a game is probably bullshit at the end of the day. Okay maybe, not out and out crap, but there's probably a million factors that they've overlooked into why a game goes the way that it does, they'll never really know what it was like to be out there on the field playing in the game being analysed- they are just essentially barstoolers, like the rest of us.

That's not to say that the lad's insights have no value. They're great at placing things in a wider context or providing a new way of looking at things or just being downright funny and/or clever with their allusions and analogies as applied to sport and they've got great chemistry as well. All that is great and enriches the experience, but I often think their actual analysis of why something happened on the field of play has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

But the OTB guys are barstoolers too, but from what I've heard,they don't even bring in that other stuff. Their bants sounded painful and forced - really sounded like loudmouth lads killing time talking about stuff, but with zero real value or content. Fcking hell, I thought, this is kinda tragic - it just sounded so basic.

I think the big difference between the 3 lads and other presenters is that they're interesting people. They're all clearly interested in all sorts of other stuff beyond their specialist sports, and are happy to let those other interests and experiences colour the way they talk about sport - Ken in particular obviously.

For the other lads it feels like beyond the chat about sport there's not a lot there. I'm sure they have their own interests away from it all, but you'd never really know it. Their broader personalities and enthusiasms stay tucked away, and they tend to stay in sort of 'acquaintance' mode.

Say Your Number · 03-07-2021 09:52PM

Slash's book was a wild ride, can't blame McDevitt for being enthusiastic about it.

siblers · 05-07-2021 10:33PM

Pity we don't see more of the likes of Jonathan Wilson and James Horncastle on more mainstream British media. They're so much better informed, entertaining and unbiased compared to the likes of Rio Ferdinand or Steve McClaren, Shearer etc.

siblers · 05-07-2021 10:37PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I think the big difference between the 3 lads and other presenters is that they're interesting people. They're all clearly interested in all sorts of other stuff beyond their specialist sports, and are happy to let those other interests and experiences colour the way they talk about sport - Ken in particular obviously.

For the other lads it feels like beyond the chat about sport there's not a lot there. I'm sure they have their own interests away from it all, but you'd never really know it. Their broader personalities and enthusiasms stay tucked away, and they tend to stay in sort of 'acquaintance' mode.

On today's podcast they spent around 10-15 minutes about The Summer Of 92 and a potential cast for the England Euro film, you would never hear something like that on OTB. I'd gladly have spent an hour listening to them debate the potential cast, was great listening

deisedude · 05-07-2021 10:40PM

Was painting a ceiling listening to the podcast this evening and nearly fell off the ladder laughing at Ken at the James McAvoy suggestion to play Declan Rice in the England 2020 movie

Evil_g · 06-07-2021 08:17AM

Please stop with the hotkeys!

It's painful at this stage.

Beersmith · 06-07-2021 08:37AM

Evil_g wrote: »

Please stop with the hotkeys!

It's painful at this stage.

Yeah the last few weeks they have been going crazy with them.

Still Ill · 06-07-2021 09:22AM

Yeah, last Friday's show was the worst I've ever heard in that respect. It was virtually every sentence

dulpit · 06-07-2021 10:17AM

Evil_g wrote: »

Please stop with the hotkeys!

It's painful at this stage.

That's when Simon produces.. And they're added after the fact too, which sometimes doesn't work great...

Similar to stopping with hotkeys, I'm hoping Where is George Gibney has won all of the awards it'll win. It was an excellent podcast in it's own right, but that bloody piano jingle is a pain every time they talk about what they won.

Cienciano · 06-07-2021 11:48AM

Evil_g wrote: »

Please stop with the hotkeys!

It's painful at this stage.

1 in 10 can be funny. But Christ, the other 9 are painful.

bren2001 · 06-07-2021 12:04PM

siblers wrote: »

Pity we don't see more of the likes of Jonathan Wilson and James Horncastle on more mainstream British media. They're so much better informed, entertaining and unbiased compared to the likes of Rio Ferdinand or Steve McClaren, Shearer etc.

I would pay for a podcast that heavily featured Johnathan Wilson. For me, he is easily the best regular(ish) contributor they have on.

Arghus · 06-07-2021 12:27PM

Cienciano wrote: »

1 in 10 can be funny. But Christ, the other 9 are painful.

The odd one here and there can be perfectly placed and hilarious, but some days it can just be total overkill.

Salvation Tambourine · 06-07-2021 01:11PM

bren2001 wrote: »

I would pay for a podcast that heavily featured Johnathan Wilson. For me, he is easily the best regular(ish) contributor they have on.

Only if Rory Smith isn't on enough to be considered regular(ish)

yermandan · 06-07-2021 01:19PM

https://twitter.com/iamgavthorn/status/1412352622460342274?s=20

Raisins · 06-07-2021 02:52PM

Evil_g wrote: »

Please stop with the hotkeys!

It's painful at this stage.

Totally disagree. Delighted they’ve brought them into it more.

Say Your Number · 06-07-2021 07:18PM

I did laugh at the 'It's a dump' they threw in when they were talking about Roscommon.

Cienciano · 06-07-2021 10:05PM

I think Hugh Grant could be Southgate. James Nesbit has to have a part in there somewhere

thenightman · 06-07-2021 10:14PM

The constant hotkeys, lets do that soccer and hearing Steve McClaren and the rubbish Euro intro (not a patch on WC 2018 one with the pharcyde & soccer is popular!) have been really getting on my wick lately, ditto for Gibney, but at least thats not been too heavily featured of late.

I'm actually going to go back into scumbag mode til October-ish once the euros is done. Hopefully a break will make me appreciate the better parts of the lads (like the England squad film casting chat) a bit more!

sheroman01 · 06-07-2021 11:28PM

bren2001 wrote: »

I would pay for a podcast that heavily featured Johnathan Wilson. For me, he is easily the best regular(ish) contributor they have on.

Between Football Weekly and SC, you'll get more than your fair share of Wilson! I love him too, his encyclopedic mind (sorry Grealish) is genuinely astonishing. Through no fault of his own, I'm "almost" getting a little tired of him, just because I hear him so much between the two pods!

Lucas Hood · 06-07-2021 11:42PM

Wilson has his own podcast. Greatest games

https://theblizzard.co.uk/podcasts/

Arghus · 07-07-2021 12:11AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Wilson has his own podcast. Greatest games

https://theblizzard.co.uk/podcasts/

Plus one on this. This is a great podcast.

Edit: Latest one of them is an interview with Tim Vickery talking about the 92 European Cup final.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 15-07-2021 01:13PM

this new boards.ie is a balls

did ya hear the whatsapp notification at 01:31:52 of the Notti Magiche episdoe when they were playing out the song? i'm cancelling my subscription with that amateur crap. i've been waiting all week for boards to back so i could vent

off topic, it's a pity boards was down over the weekend with both the final and mcgregor. you only miss it when it's gone

Say Your Number · 15-07-2021 01:41PM

Was going to say this last week, I think the first ten minutes of every show from now on should be Ken describing the Liveline discussion from the day before.

Raoul · 16-07-2021 09:39AM

The Copa America pod was excellent. Tim is one of the best contributors they have.

Dick Turnip · 16-07-2021 12:23PM

I see they're returning to RTE Radio 1 on Saturdays for the summer. Show at 1pm tomorrow.

buyer95 · 16-07-2021 12:46PM

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117614054#Comment_117614054

Christ you have little to be complaining about.

Arghus · 16-07-2021 12:59PM

Good to be back, even if the site is currently a complete ballache.

That e-mail from yesterday had Ken on the back foot.

buyer95 · 16-07-2021 01:18PM

Back on track, and leaving aside a slight ping of a whatsapp app notification I have to say the content has been excellent over the last few days.. I echo the love in for Tim Vickery, he really is the gold standard of football journalism.

Ken was absolutely hilarious skirting around Chiesa being off his tree. 'Blinking wide eyed Chiesa, seems surprised by everything, including the front of his shirt. The world must look just incredible up there from his position way at the very top... So high, so high up there at the top.'

Reminds me of when the media in England got wind of Ryan Giggs sleeping with his brothers wife scandal. The papers would print a picture of Giggs at some banquet with the tag something like 'Proud family man and all round gentleman Ryan Giggs attending X' then the article beside it would be of some love rat story.

Show me don't tell me

mcgucc22 · 17-07-2021 12:05AM

Christ, listening to US Murph talking about football and Euro 2020 was painful.

Arghus · 17-07-2021 12:07AM

Everytime he said "PK's" I died inside a little.

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