Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Phishnet wrote: »

I see Israel has dropped the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine from 93% to 64% for both preventing infections and symptomatic illness. I guess Pfizer’s claims, like Astra Zeneca, are a bit off the mark in the real world. Given the manufacturers previous histories regarding their pharmaceutical products, I expected nothing more.

So maybe Tony knows more than what he is letting on.

I doubt it.

If there was any truth to this Philip nolan would be running his crappy model and posting the results on twitter "proving" 36% of the Irish population were facing their inevitable deaths*. RTE would meltdown furiously posting doom click bait by the minute.

There's no way Tony "knows" this and isn't using it as an excuse to kill all joy in life. Which, to me anyway, indicates your stats are off.


*no, thats not what 64% effective means, but sadly Philip nolan doesn't.

eskimohunt wrote: »

If Tony Holohan is really being paid excessive amounts for advice, it is unsurprising to me now why this has persisted in the way that it has.

To be quite honest I would be less worried about Tony Holohan’s salary when I compare it to the salary of Paul Reid.

Holohan’s remit is public health, I have issues with Holohan, most of which we aren’t allowed talk about here but hes earned more of his salary than Paul Reid who earns €350k plus per year and is overseeing a health service that has had huge sums pumped into it and finds itself almost at critical limit with the low numbers currently in hospitals and icu, a health service full to the brim with overpaid administrators creaking at the seams for decades.

From someone who’s had experience of dealing with them in the past from a non medical work point of view the business acumen of the people involved was borderline negligent. At one stage I had to convince them we actually owed them money, multiple times!

Ballynally wrote: »

I am going to stick my neck out and make a prediction.
As the UK is going full frontal with the aim of reaching herd immunity, their infection numbers will go really high, possibly higher than 100.000 per day.
Even though the link has been broken they will still have a large number of people ending up in hospital with a serious amount of deaths.
The peak might be late august- beginning of september and likely to go down as fast as it has gone up w perhaps a little tailing off at the end.
It will be low at the start of the flu season in october.
That will be the end of Covid19, at least for the UK.

Ireland will take a different approach but will end up w a peak possibly a month or so later at the end of september- start of october.We wont reach herd immunity and will still have restrictions with infection staying up longer than the UK. We wont have the numbers going down as fast as the UK with an even longer tail off. While the UK enjoys its freedom while commemorating their deaths, we in Ireland will still have restrictions in place and flu season coinciding, hospitals relatively full and politicians urging caution, the end is coming but not yet, xmas restrictions etc. Plus a huge mountain of debt and taxes rising and much less of a rebound the UK will have.
Question here, which one would you rather have?

OK- the UK. Boris is pushing this move on a wing and a prayer. There are significant numbers of people yet to receive their second dose of vaccine, maj of those have been given AZ. Despite that he now wants to lift all social
distancing and mask requirements. Current estimates seem to indicate that the UK will not have the majority of people there fully vaccinated until September. That with rapidly rising case numbers it Increasingly looks like the UK will be the pariah of Europe and is likley to face increased measures with regard to travel restrictions from other countries. The UK already faces large amounts of debt with regard the pandemic and covid. Thats not going to get any better whilst the **** hits the fan.

In the meantime, cases and hospitalisations are rising. Even with a conservative number of infections being estimated in the UK - hospitals are going to get hammered regardless of any likley Flu season. And remember- there was no flu season last year.

Ireland is on track to have the majority vaccinated much the same time as the UK with an estimate of August / September. So we will be reaching the same levels of herd immunity as the UK via vaccination. Social distancing and mask wearing requirements are not being removed and hopefully this along with other measures will keep infection rates lower until all those who want to are vaccinated. Ireland also has large amounts of debt from the Pandemic - once full vaccination is achieved - Ireland will likley be on its way whilst the UK is still cleaning up the mess.

The only caveat with this is we share a common travel area and an open border with Boris and friends. That could royally fuk up all our plans.

We're like those hypochondriac parents who have their kids in a bubble so they don't get sick.

Deleted User wrote: »

Did anyone actually bother to read the article?



Apologies, no one here ever reads an article. Otherwise they would not continuously post the constant stream of nonsense that infests much of the thread

That is a rude post. You're insulting the whole thread once again.

Yes Varadkar double-talks us by warning against a "spiral of fear" and playing down the next wave as well as calling the UK re-opening "risky".

The headline to the article strikes me as completely justified and an honest summation of the most important point overall since 'risk' is code for 'We intend to remain in stasis'.

PTH2009's reaction has grasped the gist of what Varadkar is communicating to the public.

gozunda wrote: »

OK- the UK. Boris is pushing this move on a wing and a prayer. There are significant numbers of people yet to receive their second dose of vaccine, maj of those have been given AZ. Despite that he now wants to lift all social
distancing and mask requirements. Current estimates seem to indicate that the UK will not have the majority of people there fully vaccinated until September. That with rapidly rising case numbers it Increasingly looks like the UK will be the pariah of Europe and is likley to face increased measures with regard to travel restrictions from other countries. The UK already faces large amounts of debt with regard the pandemic and covid. Thats not going to get any better whilst the **** hits the fan.

In the meantime, cases and hospitalisations are rising. Even with a conservative number of infections being estimated in the UK - hospitals are going to get hammered regardless of any likley Flu season. And remember- there was no flu season last year.

Ireland is on track to have the majority vaccinated much the same time as the UK with an estimate of August / September. So we will be reaching the same levels of herd immunity as the UK via vaccination. Social distancing and mask wearing requirements are not being removed and hopefully this along with other measures will keep infection rates lower until all those who want to are vaccinated. Ireland also has large amounts of debt from the Pandemic - once full vaccination is achieved - Ireland will likley be on its way whilst the UK is still cleaning up the mess.

The only caveat with this is we share a common travel area and an open border with Boris and friends. That could royally fuk up all our plans.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

My honest opinion is this is not ending anytime soon. Anywhere.

That's not anti government or anti Holohan sentiment, it's just my honest take on the situation.

I will put my neck on the line and say indoor pubs/restaurants are not going to open in Ireland in 2021.
I think the virus will force alot of countries to temporarily retreat in this battle in the coming months.