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Dublin 15 is going to get a lot more congested.

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    It is really nothing short of a complete scandal why the Dublin - Maynooth line hasn’t been electrified for high capacity DART services by now, let alone 25 years ago when it should have been done.

    This was promised to Dublin 15 back in the 1990s - three decades later, still nada.

    Public transport in Dublin 15 is very, very poor for an area of comparable population to Limerick. Remember this the next time the politicos come knocking at your door...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Jesus C, on top of the 30 minute delays I heard about on the Westmanstown Road lately thanks to the closure of Lucan-Clonee, that'll be a nightmare.

    This road is back open today when I came through, the new pipeline crossing is complete.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    The planning system is like someone deciding they need to clog their most important arteries, a prime example is allowing LIDL and ALDI to open opposite each other on East Wall Road, one of the most important North/South routes through the city. A child playing Sim City wouldn't do it.

    Agreed, to add insult to injury there is a planning application going in for a 15 storey building where the car dealer is on the corner.

    https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/east-wall-rd-mixed-use-15-fls-planning.2280605/

    https://www.davey-smith.com/our-work/east-wall-road/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    kravmaga wrote: »
    Agreed, to add insult to injury there is a planning application going in for a 15 storey building where the car dealer is on the corner.

    https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/east-wall-rd-mixed-use-15-fls-planning.2280605/

    https://www.davey-smith.com/our-work/east-wall-road/

    Seems like a sensible enough application for the location.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Seems like a sensible enough application for the location.

    Out of curiosity what would you consider a bad location.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭raheny red




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    raheny red wrote: »

    A good trial for when the level crossing is closed for DART.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A good trial for when the level crossing is closed for DART.

    ..and Kellystown is added lol..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Castleknock gate is closed tomorrow from 7am to 7am Monday according to the sign at the gate. Restoring the old gates apparently. I think Ashtown might be affected too but not sure if it's the same timing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Works on the Ashtown gate are complete. Looks well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Wow, traffic all along the manorfield drive which is normal at 8.30am but the entire ongar road from allendale to powercity completely jamed, then 2/3rd of the road beside the canal at clonsilla Station and complete gridlock both ways just over the canal and tracks at clonsilla Station, all of this and not one new house built in the fields at the back on hansfield yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'm not looking forward to the traffic when my WFH ends. All back to the rat race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Well that was new, I get the train at clonsilla every morning, i cycle and the traffic levels are fine. Today I got a lift and the traffic is at complete gridlock so much so I jump out near the new St Joseph's housing estate and upon entry to the station I noticed the traffic backed up right over the rail bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    I've noticed the park and ride spaces up from Clonsilla train station are all fully occupied again on week days. That's the first time I've seen this since pre Covid. I'm wondering are more and more companies taking the Twitter approach of expecting workers back in the office full time again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think so.

    Much more likely that people themselves are tired of looking at the wall of the box room, or at their own family.

    Certainly road traffic levels are up also, but blended working is only going to become more normalised, not less. There's a good chance that the Government will mandate a reduction in physical commuting again, if not for fuel shortage reasons, then to meet emissions targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭raheny red


    Lengthy delays in Blanch Village atm with the roadworks at The Bell junction. Anyone know how long these are going on for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Looking at it they did one side of the road first and are now on the other side, probably the best part of this week at least before they finish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Does anyone know why lots of tree's on this corner were chopped down, lots of big healthy looking tree's.




  • Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭danfrancisco83


    The trees hanging out over the road look kind of dodgy. They have planted new trees there, so I'd say it's just safety.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    This leaflet came through the door last week which somewhat explains the reasoning for cutting down trees, nothing to do with them looking dodgy but instead to improve sightlines.

    "This work will include a new set of pedestrian lights and was necessitated by the large number of representations both FCC and local councillors were receiving about pedestrians crossing at the dangerous bend of the Old Clonsilla Road because a section of the path has been blocked off. This unfortunately necessitates the removal of a small number of trees to improve sightlines."

    So as pictured in the leaflet why has a section of the path been blocked off? Surely the railings and flower pots can be removed to allow pedestrians walk towards the canal and train station without the need to cross the road and yet more pedestrian lights?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    According to a councillor, there is a legal dispute with the owners of the properties over the section of the footpath blocked off by their barriers and flower pots. I'd have thought a CPO would sort that out.

    It's disgraceful that pedestrians have to walk out onto a dangerous bend in the road to pass these obstacles. I don't understand the property owner's grievance. The section of footpath is outside their boundary wall and gate even if they technically "own" it. It always annoys me every time I walk pass.

    A pedestrian crossing had to be put in place to help make it safer. While the cut trees will improve sight lines, I still think having a pedestrian crossing at a bend is rather risky. Also, I think a lot of pedestrians will just stay on the disputed section of footpath rather than criss crossing the road multiple times to get to the train station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There would be no need for a CPO. It should be sufficient to clear that footpath of any blockage, based on the demonstrable right-of-way established over the route over many years.

    The solution to this has been the application of a sledgehammer to crack a nut and we end up with a signal crossing on a bad bend.

    Moronic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    It's absolutely incredible as to what these "engineers" have done to the trees, never mind the complete dogs dinner they made of that bend. Trying to fix a problem by creating another.

    A total waste of mine and your money on something so poorly executed.

    Councillors out of touch and fingal a law to themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Bargain_Hound


    Having walked by the mentioned bend this morning, I am a bit baffled to be honest and for the first time going by as a pedestrian in a while, I realised how moronic the whole situation is. I had to step out on the main road on the bend to avoid the purposely erected barrier blocking pedestrians, because on the opposite side of the road the path is closed due to what looks like removal of trees and relaying a new path which does not look like it has changed from what was there before (Besides being a bit wider maybe?)

    How have they not been removed the junk/barriers from outside the properties at this stage? What will the likely end outcome be? The whole path/cycleway from Ongar road roundabout to that corner is a disaster, absolutely no continuation of the cycle/pedestrian path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Correct, whole stretch is a dangerous mess.

    And as an access route to busy commuter rail, to which the Council is obliged to improve walking and cycling safety, its a disgrace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭AlanG


    It will surely end when someone harms themselves on the land and the owners will be liable. You cannot just leave dangers on land where it is reasonable to expect the public to stray.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Interesting piece on the Old Schoolhouse site which had planning for 198 build to rent apartments rejected some time back.

    Sounds like a nice plan to have the Schoolhouse itself rezoned as community infrastructure with the rest rezoned as open space rather than as residential as is it currently. Article also highlights the inefficiency of the council and it's handling of literally everything and nothing progressing for years.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I would oppose any rezoning as open space, yes to the Schoolhouse itself as community infrastructure, but we need more housing for our children in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There's only one schoolhouse. Whereas theres lots of other undeveloped sites.

    That said I know nothing of the schoolhouse full historical significance other than it's a school house. Was in the building in my youth, don't remember much about it. Just another ruin in a field. Though teachers used to mention it now and then.

    Maybe nice to incorporate it into a bigger plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I get your point, and places like Coolmine Industrial Estate should be rezoned for housing, but everytime a solution to providing more housing is proposed, somebody objects, yet everyone still complains about the lack of housing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭mattser


    Are you familiar with the piece of land the schoolhouse stands on, and it's proximity to the canal and existing housing ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes, and do you propose building instead somewhere else like in Westmeath, or in the protected Liffey Valley? We need housing.

    We need more housing but not here is a familiar refrain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Before Coolmine industrial estate was build that site had foundations for housing in it. No idea why it was abandoned at the time. Used to walk through it as kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Doing well to select one of the few historic buildings in the area to replace with high rise flats.

    Especially as Kellystown is a stone's throw away. Neither site has transport infrastructure to support it.

    If you Google maps the satellite there's a lot of land along the railway into Meath. A couple of stops on a train line is a no brainer.

    But if the only mindset is driving everywhere and cramming housing in everywhere without any plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Wasn't replacing the historic building, just filling up the rest of the derelict site with housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Still the same issues with infrastructure



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭mattser


    Thankfully those who make the decisions don't have a ' just stick it anywhere ' mindset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Leaflet in the door this evening from one of the local councilors advising that works are due to begin on the site beside Lidl this summer, to be called Church Gate. Comprising of 45 no3 bed houses, 22 no4 bed houses and 36 apartments (12 one bed & 24 two bed units) in 2 blocks of 3 stories. From the map it looks like there's very little open green space (3 small areas designed public open space)

    Granted housing is needed but so are facilities so will be plenty more congestion as the new dwellers have to go elsewhere to spend their recreational time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Jebus Diced




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Since you started this thread, the traffic in D15 has got so much worse. Getting into and out of D15 at peak times just torture, especially the M3/M50.

    Every decision seems to make it worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Sorry, that would have been a useful addition since there's an overabundance of Lidl (and where there's a Lidl there has to be an Aldi and vice versa) in the country. It's the Lidl near the Clonsilla train station (quite a dirty store with rubbish and litter usually around the ground floor lobby and parking lot) so traffic will be via the Clonsilla link road of which one side is already used as a parking lot mid week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Yeah I don't drive that much, traffic is just nuts, the ongar road is one giant traffic jam at rush hours, and now the train is getting busier, more carriages and services are needed but I'm sick to the back teeth in emailing everyone about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I made the mistake of taking the bus from UCD to Ongar last week, it took 2 hours and 3 minutes. Yeah, it was rush hour, but still..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You could cycle that in half that time. eBike even quicker. Or a folding bike or eScooter get you to train or Luas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not everyone can drive a bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,661 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    in fairness, that’s a very long and very, very circuitous route. Even with zero traffic I doubt you could do it in less than 90 mins.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne




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