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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8492
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    How so? It’s getting really tiring being held to last years lockdown rules when the majority are now vaccinated.

    The vaccine does not stop you catching Covid, it stops a severe response to the virus, we should be governed by ICU and fatalities now of which there are extremely few! Here and in the U.K.!

    Meaning that the vast majority of cases are in people with enough immunity to fight it off easily.

    AKA - herd immunity.

    Oh right so. You are making up your own definitions. :eek: In future state this up fornt and stop wasting peoples time. :rolleyes:


  • #8493
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    85-90% was for Polio.

    Regardless, it’s the ICU and fatalities that matter now, we’re still being held to restrictions that were apt last year when there was no vaccine, now is completely different. It’s very rare for there to be a fatality of admission to ICU here so those people that get classed as a daily positive case seemingly have enough immunity to fight it off easily.

    Reduced hospitalisations is disease management not herd immunity. Herd immunity applies to normal life and a lack of required prophylactic measures. Even the WHO, who you've quoted, don't have a definitive % and suggest it can vary.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19


  • #8494
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    It depends on how it transmits and also on how well the various vaccines are preventing transmission. Most of the discussed efficacy has been exclusively about preventing either bad symptomatic disease or hospitalisation.

    I've yet to see data on preventing transmission.


  • #8495
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Oh right so. You are making up your own definitions. :eek: In future state this up fornt and stop wasting peoples time. :rolleyes:

    How am I making up definitions? Or are you one of those that seem to think if you’re vaccinated then you can’t get a Covid anymore!

    Maybe research what immunity means, it doesn’t say it means the majority will not get a particular disease, it states it is when a majority have an immunity to a disease. Being immune to something doesn’t mean you can’t catch something, it means your immune system has the requisite antibodies to fight off a disease.

    Also, don’t bother replying, you don’t bring anything to the topic, you just attack and throw stupid accusations.


  • #8496
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,372 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I know I probably sound like a broken record but here I go again.

    So 2% hospital admission rate.

    On the 25th the UK gave its latest update on delta monitoring. Where they reported 117 deaths from 92,056 hospital attendances from delta. (not even admissions, attendances, but anyway)

    So lets try to work out the case fatality rate then.

    117 from 92,056 is 0.12% Divided by 50 is 0.0024%.

    0.0024% case fatality rate.

    We dont even need to try to work the 'dark figure' of undetected cases into this now to get t IFR. Which is probably another factor of 5 or 10 or whatever.

    0.0024%.

    In the current situation delta isn't even the flu.

    For everyone and the record and the people who thanked my OP in particular.

    While the hospitalisation rate appears low and the death rate very low and undoubtedly there is a dark figure that makes those numbers even lower...

    My attempt at amateur statistics went fairly arseways, I definitely read that table wrong and my 0.0024% is definitely wrong, possibly by quite a bit. Quite embarrassing really, but fair is fair. I'd like to see myself as someone who thinks in facts and I certainly dont want to make up any 'facts' and when I get things (very) wrong I have to hold up my hand and say so.

    Thanks to those who set me right.


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  • #8497
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭brickster69


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    The increases in the UK show that they are far from herd immunity.

    Increases in what exactly ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8498
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Reduced hospitalisations is disease management not herd immunity. Herd immunity applies to normal life and a lack of required prophylactic measures. Even the WHO, who you've quoted, don't have a definitive % and suggest it can vary.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19

    Disease management is the restrictions we’re under.

    Disease management is also things like Parkinson’s meds or blood pressure meds.

    Reduced hospitalisations and fatalities are a direct result of vaccinations. Of which there are 16 in ICU and we are seeing almost zero fatalities for a fair time now.

    So do we wait and say we only have herd immunity when someone invents a vaccine that means nobody can catch Covid.


  • #8499
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shinzon wrote: »
    HUH whatever about the other restrictions lifting the mask mandate is sheer trumpian levels of lunacy (just how many will take personal responsibility for wearing a mask on buses etc when they dont have to not many id wager) , whitty and vallance both said cases hospitalisations and deaths will rise but **** it well try it anyways.

    Nothing to admire tbh

    Shin

    We didn’t have a mask mandate until August 2020 and we were grand before the mandate. Nothing out of the ordinary will happen when masks are gone.


  • #8500
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,157 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    Nope, that’s what Fauci came up with by himself and seeing as he’s proven to make it up as he goes I’ll stick with the WHO and other medical experts.

    Also, I need to have had a rant for you to be able to say my ‘Good rant though’ back at me, I didn’t rant so erm…….good one!! LOL!

    Yeah good rant.
    Prof Micheal olsterholm has said 75-80 since (feb2020) and again he states the higher herd immunity with delta.
    Not just him plenty of others.


  • #8501
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭bloopy


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0705/1233041-covid-19/

    Mr Martin added that it was too early to say whether vaccine certificates will be needed for other activities beyond indoor dining, but recalled that it was Government policy not to implement vaccine certificates up until advice was received from NPHET last week.

    Potential mission creep about to begin?


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  • #8502
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,157 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    Ah you’re just being silly now, for someone that tries to insult me in every post (yet hasn’t made a single valid individual contribution) you could at least think up some of your own insults instead of repeating mine, which wasn’t even an insult it was a congrats on the Boris rant!

    Plus, I still haven’t ranted.

    If it makes you feel any better let’s just say your latest 10 minute Google to find something that suits your narrative makes you right. You’ll feel better, I won’t care less.

    Sorted.

    Sure. Good lad.
    Haven’t insulted you at all.
    I have spoke about prof Michael olsterholm since thread 1 of this, but whatever floats your boat.


  • #8503
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Yeah good rant.
    Prof Micheal olsterholm has said 75-80 since (feb2020) and again he states the higher herd immunity with delta.
    Not just him plenty of others.

    Ah well if there’s ‘plenty of others’ said it then it must be true. Damn those ‘others’ and their words.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2



    I can Google search plenty of articles that say you can’t have here immunity with Covid and plenty with the original 60-70%.

    The fact is, if ICU and fatality numbers are down to such low numbers the evidence is that the majority of cases are in people who’s immune system has built up immunity and can fight the virus with minimal or no symptoms.


  • #8504
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Sure. Good lad.
    Haven’t insulted you at all.
    I have spoke about prof Michael olsterholm since thread 1 of this, but whatever floats your boat.

    Yeah I deleted that post, the ‘good rant’ bit made me think you were the other poster.

    I deleted it in about 20 seconds so clearly you were waiting for a reply though, odd.


  • #8505
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We didn’t have a mask mandate until August 2020 and we were grand before the mandate. Nothing out of the ordinary will happen when masks are gone.

    Except your now dealing with a more transmissable variant of covid id be very surprised if nothing happens when thats lifted but well see

    Shin


  • #8506
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    For everyone and the record and the people who thanked my OP in particular.

    While the hospitalisation rate appears low and the death rate very low and undoubtedly there is a dark figure that makes those numbers even lower...

    My attempt at amateur statistics went fairly arseways, I definitely read that table wrong and my 0.0024% is definitely wrong, possibly by quite a bit. Quite embarrassing really, but fair is fair. I'd like to see myself as someone who thinks in facts and I certainly dont want to make up any 'facts' and when I get things (very) wrong I have to hold up my hand and say so.

    Thanks to those who set me right.

    Your method got very close to the actual rate, just the initial assumption was way off which can happen anyone. The uk figures point to a worst case, per nphet case model, delta wave death rate here of under 900


  • #8507
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,157 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    Yeah I deleted that post, the ‘good rant’ bit made me think you were the other poster.

    I deleted it in about 20 seconds so clearly you were waiting for a reply though, odd.

    Nope just seen the post that’s all.
    Anyway that’s me done.
    Enjoy.


  • #8508
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0705/1233041-covid-19/

    A letter will soon be issued to all fully vaccinated people so they can avail of the EU Digital Covid Certificate.

    Digital……..Letter……..Jaysus!!


  • #8509
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭Economics101


    We are promised an EU-based Covid Certificate (digital and paper forms) by July 19th. Surely this will serve the needs of most indoor diners. The stuff about everyone getting emails only makes sense if the EU Certificate turns out to be yet another HSE failure to deliver (probably aided and abetted by NPHET)


  • #8510
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,426 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0705/1233041-covid-19/

    A letter will soon be issued to all fully vaccinated people so they can avail of the EU Digital Covid Certificate.

    Digital……..Letter……..Jaysus!!
    They could easily have sent the link through the SMS system they used for the vaccine appointments, I suppose it's other people's money they are dealing with.


  • #8511
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    They could easily have sent the link through the SMS system they used for the vaccine appointments, I suppose it's other people's money they are dealing with.

    Yep, or could they not have used the HSE Covid Tracker app? Can’t imagine it would take much to update that to accommodate.


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  • #8512
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    Yep, or could they not have used the HSE Covid Tracker app? Can’t imagine it would take much to update that to accommodate.

    Not much good when phones won't load the tracker app.

    Personally I'd prefer a letter, as mobile phones in this area are very unreliable.

    I only got the appointment SMS when away from home, due to poor network coverage.


  • #8513
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,426 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I suppose once we have the travel App on 19th July I don't care how it's done once it's done.


  • #8514
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    How so? It’s getting really tiring being held to last years lockdown rules when the majority are now vaccinated.

    The vaccine does not stop you catching Covid, it stops a severe response to the virus, we should be governed by ICU and fatalities now of which there are extremely few! Here and in the U.K.!

    Meaning that the vast majority of cases are in people with enough immunity to fight it off easily.

    AKA - herd immunity.

    Experts reckon between 80% and 90% of the population need to have immunity, either through vaccination or prior infection, for herd immunity.
    https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/covid-19-vaccine-key-reaching-herd-immunity
    It has nothing to do with what cohort the majority of the cases are in.


  • #8515
    Jimi H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Jimi H


    I was just reading about sky reporter Enda Brady. Marathon runner, healthy etc, had one jab of AZ and tested positive. Anyway his symptoms are quite severe and struggling to breathe. (I know it’s a few days old but I’ve been avoiding Covid news) I’m assuming most recent cases are not as serious or has there been any info relating to those who are testing positive in Ireland or the UK?


  • #8516
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    Experts reckon between 80% and 90% of the population need to have immunity, either through vaccination or prior infection, for herd immunity.
    https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/covid-19-vaccine-key-reaching-herd-immunity
    It has nothing to do with what cohort the majority of the cases are in.

    Yes as has been said, there are plenty of random links to different percentages. You’re one is to a hospital in Missouri.

    The fact is, ICU remains very low and fatalities seem to be a thing of the past, therefore the vaccine has given the majority enough immunity to fight the virus.


  • #8517
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Not much good when phones won't load the tracker app.

    Personally I'd prefer a letter, as mobile phones in this area are very unreliable.

    I only got the appointment SMS when away from home, due to poor network coverage.

    ?? Won’t load the tracker app? You mean won’t open? It’s fine on my phone, and the vaccine cert will be on offline entry so could also go into an Apple Or Android pay wallet also. Once downloaded it’s there to be scanned.

    Before all this I’d fly to the U.K. every 2 weeks for work, RyanAir tickets on my phone, never an issue.

    Anyone that wants a letter can have one.


  • #8518
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    I can just photocopy my mates papers ? Better than a digital version for those of us who won't be vaccinated :)


  • #8519
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I assume "a letter" means info on how to avail of the digital certificate - not an actual letter saying "To whom it may concern, This is to certify Polar101 is vaccinated, Best Regards Stephen Donnelly". A letter would be completely pointless and would only prove a person knows someone who knows how to photocopy stuff.

    But then, you never know..


  • #8520
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Polar101 wrote: »
    I assume "a letter" means info on how to avail of the digital certificate - not an actual letter saying "To whom it may concern, This is to certify Polar101 is vaccinated, Best Regards Stephen Donnelly". A letter would be completely pointless and would only prove a person knows someone who knows how to photocopy stuff.

    But then, you never know..

    Sorry to say that if you read the article, I hadn’t read it all myself, it’s a letter. A piece of special magic paper presumably to stop any loss or damage.

    The article goes on to say:

    ‘Last week, NPHET said that indoor dining could only proceed when there is a "robust, non-reproducible and enforceable" vaccine pass system.’

    ‘Mr Martin warned it would be "a huge challenge in terms of meeting that criteria" from NPHET.’

    A huge challenge that every other EU country has managed to implement as of 4 days ago!! Just embarrassing!


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  • #8521
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Going to a restaurant will be like going through an airport lol


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