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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8462
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Think I'll be going to Arenas/matches in England after the summer then but knowing our government they will have fines and a few tests requirements to gain entry back to Ireland

    You can always get the Doherty Coach from Donegal Town, bus to Larne also includes ferry ticket. Get the Larne to Stranraer ferry to Scotland. Once there you can use the bus and rail network to go anywhere in the UK. Take the same route back with Doherty's Coaches to Donegal town. That's one way in or just use Belfast airport with Doherty's Coaches too. I don't think it will be as strict as trying it from Dublin.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #8463
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,669 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    I've 3 nights planned in Belfast in August with my wife, this UK news is fantastic for us.


  • #8464
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Not a fan of Boris stall but fair play to him. He has a set of balls. If it backfires he is finished


  • #8465
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    I've 3 nights planned in Belfast in August with my wife, this UK news is fantastic for us.

    What Boris announced is for England only. The executive will decide the North's rules.


  • #8466
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,773 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    You can always get the Doherty Coach from Donegal Town, bus to Larne also includes ferry ticket. Get the Larne to Stranraer ferry to Scotland. Once there you can use the bus and rail network to go anywhere in the UK. Take the same route back with Doherty's Coaches to Donegal town. That's one way in or just use Belfast airport with Doherty's Coaches too. I don't think it will be as strict as trying it from Dublin.

    Sadly located in Waterford so that would be a logistics nightmare for me

    Is the common travel area between us and the UK part of the EU green card (or whatever its called)


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  • #8467
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Luxembourg's Prime Minister Xavier Bettel (48) is in "serious but stable" condition with Covid-19 and will stay in hospital for two to four more days, according to his government.

    He had 1 dose of AstraZeneca.


  • #8468
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,422 ✭✭✭nc6000


    George Lee talking about the 1 million doses we are getting from Romania. He's basically pointing out as many potential problems with it as he can.


  • #8469
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    What Boris announced is for England only. The assembly will decide the North's rules.

    Likewise, Scotland and Wales are unlikely to ease restrictions.


  • #8470
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    nc6000 wrote: »
    George Lee talking about the 1 million doses we are getting from Romania. He's basically pointing out as many potential problems with it as he can.

    Very unlike him


  • #8471
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    Thought it was a hurricane?
    It's very, very bad whatever it is. He's used both at different times to describe case numbers.


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  • #8472
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    According to McCraith J&J will cover 5.5% of the adult population alone this month and we'll break 50% fully vaccinated tomorrow.


  • #8473
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Not a fan of Boris stall but fair play to him. He has a set of balls. If it backfires he is finished

    That's not how it works.

    It usually goes as follows:
    -Deaths surge
    -Tories +5


  • #8474
    Skygord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord


    AdamD wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1412082604384342018

    We're obviously a bit behind but its a pertinet question for the UK at least, if not now, when?

    Its a conversation that hasn't even been brought up over here, how do we plan to get back to normal.

    Better to reach herd immunity through vaccinations, not infections. UK are far from the % vaccinated needed for herd immunity, and throwing everything open when the Ro is already over 1. It won't go well.

    Our ever-increasing, controlled, opening-up can continue until we reach herd immunity through vaccinations, which fortunately we can now measure in weeks not months.

    Edit to add: Boris is only going now because the 'vaccination advantage' (as he sees it) over the EU will only last about another 3-4 weeks. It's his last chance, and biggest way, to say "UK got here 1st". IMHO It'll be a disaster, and the end of Boris as PM before Xmas.


  • #8475
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lumen wrote: »
    The UK is governed by a bunch of barely restrained herd-immunity-by-infection lunatics with arts degrees. They're not high minded geniuses.

    Harsh on Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance.. unless they don’t agree, do they?


  • #8476
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Pablo Escobar wrote: »
    That's not how it works.

    It usually goes as follows:
    -Deaths surge
    -Tories +5

    Boris does seem to be impervious no matter what he does.

    They may well push ahead with July 19th, but I really wouldn't be putting the house on it at this stage. Time will tell, one week is a long time at the moment and a fortnight is practically an eternity. And the list of u-turns from Boris and co is fairly extensive. The last big one was only a month ago, in case many have forgotten.


  • #8477
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Harsh on Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance.. unless they don’t agree, do they?

    Governed. Not advised.
    "Allowing people to make their own choices on this is, effectively, handing control of the safety of such spaces over to the least informed, least caring and indeed the most callous members of society," said Peter English, former chair of the British Medical Association Public Health Medicine Committee.


  • #8478
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Arghus wrote: »
    Boris does seem to be impervious no matter what he does.

    They may well push ahead with July 19th, but I really wouldn't be putting the house on it at this stage. Time will tell, one week is a long time at the moment and a fortnight is practically an eternity. And the list of u-turns from Boris and co is fairly extensive. The last big one was only a month ago, in case many have forgotten.

    They said the same about Trump until he wasn't.


  • #8479
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Skygord wrote: »
    Better to reach herd immunity through vaccinations, not infections. UK are far from the % vaccinated needed for herd immunity, and throwing everything open when the Ro is already over 1. It won't go well.

    Our ever-increasing, controlled, opening-up can continue until we reach herd immunity through vaccinations, which fortunately we can now measure in weeks not months.

    Edit to add: Boris is only going now because the 'vaccination advantage' (as he sees it) over the EU will only last about another 3-4 weeks. It's his last chance, and biggest way, to say "UK got here 1st". IMHO It'll be a disaster, and the end of Boris as PM before Xmas.

    It’s stated by most experts and the WHO that between 60-70% fully vaccinated is herd immunity for Covid. The U.K. are at 64% so not sure where you got ‘far from the %’ from.

    Good rant though!


  • #8480
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    It’s stated by most experts and the WHO that between 60-70% fully vaccinated is herd immunity for Covid. The U.K. are at 64% so not sure where you got ‘far from the %’ from.

    Good rant though!
    The UK still has issues with older group hesitancy. In that scenario the risk of serious disease remains. 1 in 4 were not vaccinated in some ethnic groups according to this piece from a month ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/05/one-in-four-elderly-black-people-in-the-uk-still-not-vaccinated


  • #8481
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’ve got to admire the UK for actually trying to do something and trying to find a balance.

    When our economy is obliterated we’ll act like we had no choice. We did.


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  • #8482
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The UK still has issues with older group hesitancy. In that scenario the risk of serious disease remains. 1 in 4 were not vaccinated in some ethnic groups according to this piece from a month ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/05/one-in-four-elderly-black-people-in-the-uk-still-not-vaccinated

    That’s those people’s choice, it doesn’t change the fact that they’re in the agreed range for herd immunity by vaccination.


  • #8483
    Trampas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Do we know the breakdown of people in hospital with covid or been admitted and left recently have been vaccinated or not?

    Could it be a case of the numbers aren’t what they want to release due to the wrong picture it paints?


  • #8484
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    It’s stated by most experts and the WHO that between 60-70% fully vaccinated is herd immunity for Covid. The U.K. are at 64% so not sure where you got ‘far from the %’ from.

    Good rant though!

    75-80% was herd immunity for original strain.
    Delta could have higher rate due to higher transmission.

    Good rant though!


  • #8485
    Skygord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    It’s stated by most experts and the WHO that between 60-70% fully vaccinated is herd immunity for Covid. The U.K. are at 64% so not sure where you got ‘far from the %’ from.

    Good rant though!

    Ah thanks, I enjoyed it! :-)

    I thought we needed about 85-90%, of total population, for herd immunity. That's what I was basing that % comment on. I'll go hunting to see what they are saying about that.

    As for Boris, people knew he wanted infection-based herd immunity at the beginning then retreated, if Cummings was right he was pushing for it last Autumn ("Let the bodies pile high"), and he's gone on SO much about the UK being ahead of the EU/World on vaccinations that UK people now needed to see some benefit of that.

    IMHO he's backed himself into a corner and this is an all or nothing gamble. Think I'll go see what PP odds are on him being PM at the end of the year.


  • #8486
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    That’s those people’s choice, it doesn’t change the fact that they’re in the agreed range for herd immunity by vaccination.
    It distorts what that range might be, which TBH itself is still a guess. Presumed is not actual.


  • #8487
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    It’s stated by most experts and the WHO that between 60-70% fully vaccinated is herd immunity for Covid. The U.K. are at 64% so not sure where you got ‘far from the %’ from.

    Good rant though!

    Forget the reality in the UK they are at herd immuntiy because experts said it. :rolleyes:

    Experts revise their estimates when they get new information. The increases in the UK show that they are far from herd immunity.


  • #8488
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    tom1ie wrote: »
    75-80% was herd immunity for original strain.
    Delta could have higher rate due to higher transmission.

    Good rant though!

    Nope, that’s what Fauci came up with by himself and seeing as he’s proven to make it up as he goes I’ll stick with the WHO and other medical experts.

    Also, I need to have had a rant for you to be able to say my ‘Good rant though’ back at me, I didn’t rant so erm…….good one!! LOL!


  • #8489
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Forget the reality in the UK they are at herd immuntiy because experts said it. :rolleyes:

    Experts revise their estimates when they get new information. The increases in the UK show that they are far from herd immunity.

    How so? It’s getting really tiring being held to last years lockdown rules when the majority are now vaccinated.

    The vaccine does not stop you catching Covid, it stops a severe response to the virus, we should be governed by ICU and fatalities now of which there are extremely few! Here and in the U.K.!

    Meaning that the vast majority of cases are in people with enough immunity to fight it off easily.

    AKA - herd immunity.


  • #8490
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You’ve got to admire the UK

    HUH whatever about the other restrictions lifting the mask mandate is sheer trumpian levels of lunacy (just how many will take personal responsibility for wearing a mask on buses etc when they dont have to not many id wager) , whitty and vallance both said cases hospitalisations and deaths will rise but **** it well try it anyways.

    Nothing to admire tbh

    Shin


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  • #8491
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Skygord wrote: »
    Ah thanks, I enjoyed it! :-)

    I thought we needed about 85-90%, of total population, for herd immunity. That's what I was basing that % comment on. I'll go hunting to see what they are saying about that.

    As for Boris, people knew he wanted infection-based herd immunity at the beginning then retreated, if Cummings was right he was pushing for it last Autumn ("Let the bodies pile high"), and he's gone on SO much about the UK being ahead of the EU/World on vaccinations that UK people now needed to see some benefit of that.

    IMHO he's backed himself into a corner and this is an all or nothing gamble. Think I'll go see what PP odds are on him being PM at the end of the year.

    85-90% was for Polio.

    Regardless, it’s the ICU and fatalities that matter now, we’re still being held to restrictions that were apt last year when there was no vaccine, now is completely different. It’s very rare for there to be a fatality of admission to ICU here so those people that get classed as a daily positive case seemingly have enough immunity to fight it off easily.


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