Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

OwenM wrote: »

Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.

Agreed, but in fairness and keeping the post they were replying to in mind, that poster's own anecdotes are no reason to throw all caution to the wind and to avoid being vaccinated. The context of the post you replied to is critical.

zackory wrote: »

Just listened to Paul Reid on the radio, with the latest vaccine roll out (Romania source and younger groups etc.) we are looking at 68% of adults vaccinated by end of July and any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be done by end of August.

We need a dynamic plan, if this schedule is still in place on 19th July then everything should be allowed open with restrictions on capacity, occupancy and a selft declared "I am vaccinated" protocol for entering premises etc.

There is simply no justification for prolonging this now, unless the arrival of vaccines slips (unlikely) and if it does we roll the plan back a week or 2.

Nphet are just going to point out we cant have herd immunity unless we vaccinate children when all adults are done.



https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1410979205970595842

zackory wrote: »

Giving a date was never a problem before, 5th July, now its like, we will have a plan for planning a date ready by 19th July and then we will see about rolling out a plan.

68% projected fully vaccinated by end of July and we still might not know when hospitality is allowed open indoors.

Well we do, if we go by NPHET - a digital cert with a robust enforcement process. Realistically if the projected numbers don't transpire we are likely to see movement on the antigen test approach. TBF the original expert group were quite quick in their feedback. It's now a question of which one(s) and how. We've also got the examples of other countries to look at.

zackory wrote: »

That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.

One of the industry bodies came out today and said that its a non runner.

So what's happens now. Do government come out and say the industry bodies don't want a vaccine passport scheme so indoor hospitality can stay closed.

Do government have to back down and open up without a scheme.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Unsurprisingly, the "pilot" concert only produced one positive from antigen testing, and even that proved to be negative after a PCR test!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0704/1232987-pilot-festival-testing/

What was the point of that circus? Still did not get it....

zackory wrote: »

I was in a place the other day and they asked for tracing name and number and I was like "weird", so 2020.

No other place I have been in yet has wasted their time with that particular rubbish.

I'm actually quite fond of the QR tracing app they have in the UK, the one where all you have to do is point your phone at it and pretend to scan it. Then in you go, because nobody actually cares whether you did it right or not.

My phone doesn't have the QR scanner, but I took a picture of the code anyway just to make the waitress feel better.

Turtwig wrote: »

Cases precede hospitalisations. If hospitalisations were a high % of cases reacting when hospitalisations start rapidly rising would be three to six weeks too late. Not only that but hospitalisations have a long tail.

Vaccines have weakened the % of cases that lead to hospitalisations. Regardless, cases are still the most valuable early warning metric until the pandemic is over globally. It's just up to us to adapt to the change in the significance of the numbers.

NPHET are using 2%-3% in their models, the UK, our model, is at 1.6%

titan18 wrote: »

Yup, pubs aren't even hiding it at this stage. Walked past a place yesterday and giant TV inside that you can see through the window showing the England game

I doubt that NPHET will share their generous wages with struggling hospitality workers. We are all in this together.

Stheno wrote: »

What county are you in? I've not seen this at all

Go to countryside.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

In my view:

- delay in indoor hospitality by a few weeks was probably on balance the correct decision.
- the next 2/3 weeks will see the vast majority of 40 plus fully vaccinated.
- the new arrangements for those less than 35 on vaccinations will also have an effect.
- we are on the home straight.

Despite all this, NPHET overplayed their card on the modelling. Same as they did on masks and have done on antigen tests.

We have been waiting for the 'next two weeks' for 18 months now.
The goalposts will just be moved.

I’ve no doubt this has been answered but things changing so quickly so I am unsure and all the looking up I do is so grey, we’ve had a sudden family bereavement in london, my dads brother and my dad passed away some years ago. The death was non Covid related and I am the only nephew in Ireland so feel I should travel for a few days to pay condolences. I have had my first dose of vaccine. Could anyone please advise what I need to do to enter and exit london, it is only going to be for 3 or 4 days when they have verified the funeral. Many thanks.