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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    OwenM wrote: »
    Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.

    Agreed, but in fairness and keeping the post they were replying to in mind, that poster's own anecdotes are no reason to throw all caution to the wind and to avoid being vaccinated. The context of the post you replied to is critical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    shes the english aoife mclysath. they retweet each other all the time. Poisonous c1nts
    I think you'll find that last word is better spelt specimens, creatures or even hallions! :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, there are all sort of dates for other activities so you seem to be blind to the existence of a roadmap. What exactly does a roadmap for hospitality look like? It's basically binary, we can do it or we can't. All that's missing is a date.

    Giving a date was never a problem before, 5th July, now its like, we will have a plan for planning a date ready by 19th July and then we will see about rolling out a plan.

    68% projected fully vaccinated by end of July and we still might not know when hospitality is allowed open indoors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    OwenM wrote: »
    Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.

    Exactly. It's like saying "my Aunt's back is fcuked for like after a car crash so lets ban driving".

    Such nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    zackory wrote: »
    Just listened to Paul Reid on the radio, with the latest vaccine roll out (Romania source and younger groups etc.) we are looking at 68% of adults vaccinated by end of July and any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be done by end of August.

    We need a dynamic plan, if this schedule is still in place on 19th July then everything should be allowed open with restrictions on capacity, occupancy and a selft declared "I am vaccinated" protocol for entering premises etc.

    There is simply no justification for prolonging this now, unless the arrival of vaccines slips (unlikely) and if it does we roll the plan back a week or 2.

    Nphet are just going to point out we cant have herd immunity unless we vaccinate children when all adults are done.



    https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1410979205970595842


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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    The authorities would be doing everyone a favour if they stopped reporting cases, and just reported deaths/hospitalisations and let people judge the situation on its merit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    Giving a date was never a problem before, 5th July, now its like, we will have a plan for planning a date ready by 19th July and then we will see about rolling out a plan.

    68% projected fully vaccinated by end of July and we still might not know when hospitality is allowed open indoors.
    Well we do, if we go by NPHET - a digital cert with a robust enforcement process. Realistically if the projected numbers don't transpire we are likely to see movement on the antigen test approach. TBF the original expert group were quite quick in their feedback. It's now a question of which one(s) and how. We've also got the examples of other countries to look at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    The authorities would be doing everyone a favour if they stopped reporting cases, and just reported deaths/hospitalisations and let people judge the situation on its merit.

    That would require the government putting trust and responsibility on its citizens, that would be a big u turn from the contempt they have shown the great unwashed up to now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well we do, if we go by NPHET - a digital cert with a robust enforcement process. Realistically if the projected numbers don't transpire we are likely to see movement on the antigen test approach. TBF the original expert group were quite quick in their feedback. It's now a question of which one(s) and how. We've also got the examples of other countries to look at.

    That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

    Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

    Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    zackory wrote: »
    That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

    Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

    Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.

    I was in two hotels recently for lunch, both have created very nice outdoor areas but on both occasions i was shown to a table indoors, i had to ask could i sit outside. The weather was beautiful on both days too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    zackory wrote: »
    That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

    Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

    Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.

    One of the industry bodies came out today and said that its a non runner.

    So what's happens now. Do government come out and say the industry bodies don't want a vaccine passport scheme so indoor hospitality can stay closed.

    Do government have to back down and open up without a scheme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    One of the industry bodies came out today and said that its a non runner.

    So what's happens now. Do government come out and say the industry bodies don't want a vaccine passport scheme so indoor hospitality can stay closed.

    Do government have to back down and open up without a scheme.
    Their position just after the advice is that they might need to develop it but it probably will not be needed. Antigen testing and tracking the UK data seems to be the plan. If we are up to 68% of adults fully vaccinated by the end of the month this may all be moot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    One of the industry bodies came out today and said that its a non runner.

    So what's happens now. Do government come out and say the industry bodies don't want a vaccine passport scheme so indoor hospitality can stay closed.

    Do government have to back down and open up without a scheme.

    If independence day goes ahead in the UK on July 19th then we could be looking at some kind of voluntary scheme that makes it look like we are all playing along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Unsurprisingly, the "pilot" concert only produced one positive from antigen testing, and even that proved to be negative after a PCR test!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0704/1232987-pilot-festival-testing/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    Unsurprisingly, the "pilot" concert only produced one positive from antigen testing, and even that proved to be negative after a PCR test!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0704/1232987-pilot-festival-testing/

    What was the point of that circus? Still did not get it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭greensausage


    zackory wrote: »
    If independence day goes ahead in the UK on July 19th then we could be looking at some kind of voluntary scheme that makes it look like we are all playing along.

    This is why I'm in favour of bringing in some kind of passport cert for the pubs, cause it will be instantly ignored....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    This is why I'm in favour of bringing in some kind of passport cert for the pubs, cause it will be instantly ignored....

    I was in a place the other day and they asked for tracing name and number and I was like "weird", so 2020.

    No other place I have been in yet has wasted their time with that particular rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    gral6 wrote: »
    What was the point of that circus? Still did not get it....

    Nothing. There was no point to it.

    A bunch of people went and sat apart from each other, the single thing they achieved was to guarantee that a virus could not be transmitted amongst them all.

    The real world implication of this is: absolutely nothing. Zero relevance to any real world situation, and the complete opposite of a test to see what happens when people mix with others.

    Moronic and a sad reflection of our response to this virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    zackory wrote: »
    I was in a place the other day and they asked for tracing name and number and I was like "weird", so 2020.

    No other place I have been in yet has wasted their time with that particular rubbish.

    I'm actually quite fond of the QR tracing app they have in the UK, the one where all you have to do is point your phone at it and pretend to scan it. Then in you go, because nobody actually cares whether you did it right or not.

    My phone doesn't have the QR scanner, but I took a picture of the code anyway just to make the waitress feel better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    The authorities would be doing everyone a favour if they stopped reporting cases, and just reported deaths/hospitalisations and let people judge the situation on its merit.

    Cases precede hospitalisations. If hospitalisations were a high % of cases reacting when hospitalisations start rapidly rising would be three to six weeks too late. Not only that but hospitalisations have a long tail.

    Vaccines have weakened the % of cases that lead to hospitalisations and possibly even the duration of the stays. Regardless, cases are still the most valuable early warning metric until the pandemic is over globally. It's just up to us to adapt to the change in the significance of the numbers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Cases precede hospitalisations. If hospitalisations were a high % of cases reacting when hospitalisations start rapidly rising would be three to six weeks too late. Not only that but hospitalisations have a long tail.

    Vaccines have weakened the % of cases that lead to hospitalisations. Regardless, cases are still the most valuable early warning metric until the pandemic is over globally. It's just up to us to adapt to the change in the significance of the numbers.
    NPHET are using 2%-3% in their models, the UK, our model, is at 1.6%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    zackory wrote: »
    That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

    Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

    Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.

    Yup, pubs aren't even hiding it at this stage. Walked past a place yesterday and giant TV inside that you can see through the window showing the England game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    titan18 wrote: »
    Yup, pubs aren't even hiding it at this stage. Walked past a place yesterday and giant TV inside that you can see through the window showing the England game

    I doubt that NPHET will share their generous wages with struggling hospitality workers. We are all in this together.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    titan18 wrote: »
    Yup, pubs aren't even hiding it at this stage. Walked past a place yesterday and giant TV inside that you can see through the window showing the England game

    What county are you in? I've not seen this at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    Stheno wrote: »
    What county are you in? I've not seen this at all

    Go to countryside.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,536 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I see RTÉ really have the finger on the pulse of the mood of the nation. Advertising a show next Monday night on how Covid affected Ireland's wealthiest rich list people. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    In my view:

    - delay in indoor hospitality by a few weeks was probably on balance the correct decision.
    - the next 2/3 weeks will see the vast majority of 40 plus fully vaccinated.
    - the new arrangements for those less than 35 on vaccinations will also have an effect.
    - we are on the home straight.

    Despite all this, NPHET overplayed their card on the modelling. Same as they did on masks and have done on antigen tests.

    We have been waiting for the 'next two weeks' for 18 months now.
    The goalposts will just be moved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Just back from a lovely dinner with family and friends at the Grandstand restaurant in the Clayton Ballsbridge. We just walked in and got a table for 9 of us no bother at all. Feel sorry for small restaurants and pubs who are losing out on business because of these laggard Irish rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭nialler1978


    I’ve no doubt this has been answered but things changing so quickly so I am unsure and all the looking up I do is so grey, we’ve had a sudden family bereavement in london, my dads brother and my dad passed away some years ago. The death was non Covid related and I am the only nephew in Ireland so feel I should travel for a few days to pay condolences. I have had my first dose of vaccine. Could anyone please advise what I need to do to enter and exit london, it is only going to be for 3 or 4 days when they have verified the funeral. Many thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,753 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I see RTÉ really have the finger on the pulse of the mood of the nation. Advertising a show next Monday night on how Covid affected Ireland's wealthiest rich list people. :pac:

    made them richer I expect (as ever its rte so wont be watching )

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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