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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8252
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Any idea what number of tests we are doing and what is the % of positive tests?


  • #8253
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I dont lack respect for teachers who teach what they are qualified to teach
    What bothers me is our system of having politicians with no qualifications to lead a country . We get people like Norma Foley then having the arrogance to think she is somehow qualified to be a M of Ed because her daddy was a politician and she is a teacher .
    We have TDs with no qualifications in leadership or leading a country in a crisis .

    That's politics.
    The voters choose who they want as their TDs and the rest they have no control over.
    Look at the UK - a former journalist sacked twice for lying is PM (and that's just the start of it).

    Politicians are mainly actors anyway - the representatives of the people sent out to explain to the masses the reason for someone else's decision (in our case NPHET)
    Sure they have power in that the permission for that final decision rests with them if they've made it to the cabinet. . . but don't expect any politician of any party to know the intricacies of a once in a century pandemic viral outbreak with vaccine rollout. You ain't gonna find one.


  • #8254
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Allinall


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I dont lack respect for teachers who teach what they are qualified to teach
    What bothers me is our system of having politicians with no qualifications to lead a country . We get people like Norma Foley then having the arrogance to think she is somehow qualified to be a M of Ed because her daddy was a politician and she is a teacher .
    We have TDs with no qualifications in leadership or leading a country in a crisis .

    How do you get a qualification in leading a country?


  • #8255
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    They are following the science

    Citation needed.


  • #8256
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Allinall wrote: »
    How do you get a qualification in leading a country?

    Start off by leading a council


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  • #8257
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Allinall wrote: »
    How do you get a qualification in leading a country?
    One of those Soc&Pol degrees :pac:


  • #8258
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Any idea what number of tests we are doing and what is the % of positive tests?

    Only info we have is here: https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-test-and-trace-briefing-01-july-2021.pdf
    125k tests, 2.7% positivity.


  • #8259
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    You can sequence till the cows come home, but if you don't act on it, it's kinda useless.
    In the grand scheme of things, we're not too far behind on the sequencing of cases (10% vs 5%). I'm actually surprised how few cases are sequenced in other countries.

    You know what happens in the UK when the targeted sequencing shows outbreaks. They turn up in dozens of vans and go house to house testing whole areas, every house, shop, factory everyone. It's like something out of the movies. Hundreds of them.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/surge-testing-for-new-coronavirus-covid-19-variants

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #8260
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Just listened to Paul Reid on the radio, with the latest vaccine roll out (Romania source and younger groups etc.) we are looking at 68% of adults vaccinated by end of July and any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be done by end of August.

    We need a dynamic plan, if this schedule is still in place on 19th July then everything should be allowed open with restrictions on capacity, occupancy and a selft declared "I am vaccinated" protocol for entering premises etc.

    There is simply no justification for prolonging this now, unless the arrival of vaccines slips (unlikely) and if it does we roll the plan back a week or 2.


  • #8261
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    zackory wrote: »
    Just listened to Paul Reid on the radio, with the latest vaccine roll out (Romania source and younger groups etc.) we are looking at 68% of adults vaccinated by end of July and any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be done by end of August.

    We need a dynamic plan, if this schedule is still in place on 19th July then everything should be allowed open with restrictions on capacity, occupancy and a selft declared "I am vaccinated" protocol for entering premises etc.

    There is simply no justification for prolonging this now, unless the arrival of vaccines slips (unlikely) and if it does we roll the plan back a week or 2.

    Fully vaccinated or one dose?


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  • #8262
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Fully vaccinated or one dose?

    Fully. 68% currently have one dose


  • #8263
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Fully vaccinated or one dose?

    68% full vaccinated, and if everybody else is done end of August that would mean almost everybody will have one dose by end of July.

    There is simply no basis for continuing with the current level of restrictions.

    NPHET should be told to meet again tomorrow, and give recommendations based on the latest information.


  • #8264
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,941 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I see on the Glastonbury Covid thread they are talking about someone called Christina Pagel, who is she? I googled and she is a mathematician professor and apparently has something to do with campaigning for an extension to the UK 19th July opening.

    74A51E52-FB99-4864-8F81-9EC5035FE0B0.jpeg.bc8cf8151f54f78769e830e8db5fd099.jpeg

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #8265
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    68% full vaccinated, and if everybody else is done end of August that would mean almost everybody will have one dose by end of July.

    There is simply no basis for continuing with the current level of restrictions.

    NPHET should be told to meet again tomorrow, and give recommendations based on the latest information.
    Well, it's very early July and we don't yet have that Romanian or any other deal over the line so that would be premature. July 19 would be an ideal time to address this uncertainty properly. I so find it quite ironic that we are looking to the much-maligned HSE to give us good news on this.


  • #8266
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, it's very early July and we don't yet have that Romanian or any other deal over the line so that would be premature. July 19 would be an ideal time to address this uncertainty properly.

    As I already said we need a dynamic plan based on what vaccines end up being jabbed into people.

    A meeting on July 19th would be another week of a leak circus and another couple of weeks after that before businesses organise staff and stock again to try and get open (again)

    Meet now, put roadmaps in place so that everybody knows where things are leaning.


  • #8267
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    US having issues with vaccine resistance according to a new poll.
    Such resistance is particularly strong among Republicans: a Washington Post-ABC News poll released on Sunday found that 86% of Democrats but only 45% of Republicans have received at least one shot.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/03/fauci-delta-variant-cases-vaccines


  • #8268
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    As of midnight, Saturday 3rd July, we are reporting 562* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    14 in ICU. 48 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update


  • #8269
    Swaine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Imagine trying to pay wages and other bills in this situation. Absolutely mental stuff.

    https://twitter.com/BreweryTap2/status/1411657152167612416


  • #8270
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    As I already said we need a dynamic plan based on what vaccines end up being jabbed into people.

    A meeting on July 19th would be another week of a leak circus and another couple of weeks after that before businesses organise staff and stock again to try and get open (again)

    Meet now, put roadmaps in place so that everybody knows where things are leaning.
    That's what the HSE have been doing with vaccines - version 31 of their plan. The roadmap is already there and had been mapped out from tomorrow. I think are taking these two weeks for UK data. Hospitality may well get another deferral on 19 July but we really need to see how how other things will be affected. Logically outside should be OK but indoor activities, including offices and the absolutely essential higher capacity on transport are waiting further out, along with fairly urgent decisions on income support.


  • #8271
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    As of midnight, Saturday 3rd July, we are reporting 562* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    14 in ICU. 48 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update

    Are we going to have another month where they don't announce the death rates?


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  • #8272
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    If and I know it's a big if they bring in Antigen testing for indoor dining will hotels have to abide by that rule or will it be as it is now?


  • #8273
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I see on the Glastonbury Covid thread they are talking about someone called Christina Pagel, who is she? I googled and she is a mathematician professor and apparently has something to do with campaigning for an extension to the UK 19th July opening.

    74A51E52-FB99-4864-8F81-9EC5035FE0B0.jpeg.bc8cf8151f54f78769e830e8db5fd099.jpeg

    She's a zero covid lunatic with no credibility. Like Tomas Ryan or one of that crew here. Best ignored


  • #8274
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    giveitholly wrote: »
    If and I know it's a big if they bring in Antigen testing for indoor dining will hotels have to abide by that rule or will it be as it is now?
    They don't like the idea of a digital pass, nor do the hospitality bodies so we can can probably expect a plan on antigen testing.


  • #8275
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Swaine wrote: »
    Imagine trying to pay wages and other bills in this situation. Absolutely mental stuff.

    https://twitter.com/BreweryTap2/status/1411657152167612416

    Outdoor dining doesn’t work in Ireland as a solo option. Only useful as something alongside indoor dining.


  • #8276
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Are we going to have another month where they don't announce the death rates?

    Probably, but they made damn sure to announce when we hit the big 5000 :rolleyes:


  • #8277
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's what the HSE have been doing with vaccines - version 31 of their plan. The roadmap is already there and had been mapped out from tomorrow. I think are taking these two weeks for UK data. Hospitality may well get another deferral on 19 July but we really need to see how how other things will be affected. Logically outside should be OK but indoor activities, including offices and the absolutely essential higher capacity on transport are waiting further out, along with fairly urgent decisions on income support.

    There is no roadmap for indoor hospitality, you seem to think it was deferred for 2 weeks but that is not the case.

    By July 19th they aim to have another "plan" in place on how to implement indoor hospitality, the plan based on allowing vaccinated people indoors etc. but there are no dates associated with this "plan" at all.


  • #8278
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    She's a zero covid lunatic with no credibility. Like Tomas Ryan or one of that crew here. Best ignored

    What is it about these academics, they are all complete lunatics. Even the medical people are far more balanced.


  • #8279
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    A few under 50s I work with have long covid and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

    There’s a wide range of outcomes between 100% recovered and death.

    Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.


  • #8280
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    What is it about these academics, they are all complete lunatics. Even the medical people are far more balanced.

    There's loads of good ones too, it's just that the lunatics shout the loudest so they're most visible. The ones with any credibility let their research do their talking and don't waste their time posting clickbait on twitter or appearing on Claire Byrne.


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  • #8281
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    There is no roadmap for indoor hospitality, you seem to think it was deferred for 2 weeks but that is not the case.

    By July 19th they aim to have another "plan" in place on how to implement indoor hospitality, the plan based on allowing vaccinated people indoors etc. but there are no dates associated with this "plan" at all.
    Well, there are all sort of dates for other activities so you seem to be blind to the existence of a roadmap. What exactly does a roadmap for hospitality look like? It's basically binary, we can do it or we can't. All that's missing is a date.


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