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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Any idea what number of tests we are doing and what is the % of positive tests?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I dont lack respect for teachers who teach what they are qualified to teach
    What bothers me is our system of having politicians with no qualifications to lead a country . We get people like Norma Foley then having the arrogance to think she is somehow qualified to be a M of Ed because her daddy was a politician and she is a teacher .
    We have TDs with no qualifications in leadership or leading a country in a crisis .

    That's politics.
    The voters choose who they want as their TDs and the rest they have no control over.
    Look at the UK - a former journalist sacked twice for lying is PM (and that's just the start of it).

    Politicians are mainly actors anyway - the representatives of the people sent out to explain to the masses the reason for someone else's decision (in our case NPHET)
    Sure they have power in that the permission for that final decision rests with them if they've made it to the cabinet. . . but don't expect any politician of any party to know the intricacies of a once in a century pandemic viral outbreak with vaccine rollout. You ain't gonna find one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Allinall


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I dont lack respect for teachers who teach what they are qualified to teach
    What bothers me is our system of having politicians with no qualifications to lead a country . We get people like Norma Foley then having the arrogance to think she is somehow qualified to be a M of Ed because her daddy was a politician and she is a teacher .
    We have TDs with no qualifications in leadership or leading a country in a crisis .

    How do you get a qualification in leading a country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    They are following the science

    Citation needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Allinall wrote: »
    How do you get a qualification in leading a country?

    Start off by leading a council


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Allinall wrote: »
    How do you get a qualification in leading a country?
    One of those Soc&Pol degrees :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Any idea what number of tests we are doing and what is the % of positive tests?

    Only info we have is here: https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-test-and-trace-briefing-01-july-2021.pdf
    125k tests, 2.7% positivity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    You can sequence till the cows come home, but if you don't act on it, it's kinda useless.
    In the grand scheme of things, we're not too far behind on the sequencing of cases (10% vs 5%). I'm actually surprised how few cases are sequenced in other countries.

    You know what happens in the UK when the targeted sequencing shows outbreaks. They turn up in dozens of vans and go house to house testing whole areas, every house, shop, factory everyone. It's like something out of the movies. Hundreds of them.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/surge-testing-for-new-coronavirus-covid-19-variants

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Just listened to Paul Reid on the radio, with the latest vaccine roll out (Romania source and younger groups etc.) we are looking at 68% of adults vaccinated by end of July and any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be done by end of August.

    We need a dynamic plan, if this schedule is still in place on 19th July then everything should be allowed open with restrictions on capacity, occupancy and a selft declared "I am vaccinated" protocol for entering premises etc.

    There is simply no justification for prolonging this now, unless the arrival of vaccines slips (unlikely) and if it does we roll the plan back a week or 2.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    zackory wrote: »
    Just listened to Paul Reid on the radio, with the latest vaccine roll out (Romania source and younger groups etc.) we are looking at 68% of adults vaccinated by end of July and any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be done by end of August.

    We need a dynamic plan, if this schedule is still in place on 19th July then everything should be allowed open with restrictions on capacity, occupancy and a selft declared "I am vaccinated" protocol for entering premises etc.

    There is simply no justification for prolonging this now, unless the arrival of vaccines slips (unlikely) and if it does we roll the plan back a week or 2.

    Fully vaccinated or one dose?


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Fully vaccinated or one dose?

    Fully. 68% currently have one dose


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Fully vaccinated or one dose?

    68% full vaccinated, and if everybody else is done end of August that would mean almost everybody will have one dose by end of July.

    There is simply no basis for continuing with the current level of restrictions.

    NPHET should be told to meet again tomorrow, and give recommendations based on the latest information.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I see on the Glastonbury Covid thread they are talking about someone called Christina Pagel, who is she? I googled and she is a mathematician professor and apparently has something to do with campaigning for an extension to the UK 19th July opening.

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    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    68% full vaccinated, and if everybody else is done end of August that would mean almost everybody will have one dose by end of July.

    There is simply no basis for continuing with the current level of restrictions.

    NPHET should be told to meet again tomorrow, and give recommendations based on the latest information.
    Well, it's very early July and we don't yet have that Romanian or any other deal over the line so that would be premature. July 19 would be an ideal time to address this uncertainty properly. I so find it quite ironic that we are looking to the much-maligned HSE to give us good news on this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, it's very early July and we don't yet have that Romanian or any other deal over the line so that would be premature. July 19 would be an ideal time to address this uncertainty properly.

    As I already said we need a dynamic plan based on what vaccines end up being jabbed into people.

    A meeting on July 19th would be another week of a leak circus and another couple of weeks after that before businesses organise staff and stock again to try and get open (again)

    Meet now, put roadmaps in place so that everybody knows where things are leaning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    US having issues with vaccine resistance according to a new poll.
    Such resistance is particularly strong among Republicans: a Washington Post-ABC News poll released on Sunday found that 86% of Democrats but only 45% of Republicans have received at least one shot.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/03/fauci-delta-variant-cases-vaccines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    As of midnight, Saturday 3rd July, we are reporting 562* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    14 in ICU. 48 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Imagine trying to pay wages and other bills in this situation. Absolutely mental stuff.

    https://twitter.com/BreweryTap2/status/1411657152167612416


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    As I already said we need a dynamic plan based on what vaccines end up being jabbed into people.

    A meeting on July 19th would be another week of a leak circus and another couple of weeks after that before businesses organise staff and stock again to try and get open (again)

    Meet now, put roadmaps in place so that everybody knows where things are leaning.
    That's what the HSE have been doing with vaccines - version 31 of their plan. The roadmap is already there and had been mapped out from tomorrow. I think are taking these two weeks for UK data. Hospitality may well get another deferral on 19 July but we really need to see how how other things will be affected. Logically outside should be OK but indoor activities, including offices and the absolutely essential higher capacity on transport are waiting further out, along with fairly urgent decisions on income support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    As of midnight, Saturday 3rd July, we are reporting 562* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    14 in ICU. 48 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update

    Are we going to have another month where they don't announce the death rates?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    If and I know it's a big if they bring in Antigen testing for indoor dining will hotels have to abide by that rule or will it be as it is now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I see on the Glastonbury Covid thread they are talking about someone called Christina Pagel, who is she? I googled and she is a mathematician professor and apparently has something to do with campaigning for an extension to the UK 19th July opening.

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    She's a zero covid lunatic with no credibility. Like Tomas Ryan or one of that crew here. Best ignored


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    If and I know it's a big if they bring in Antigen testing for indoor dining will hotels have to abide by that rule or will it be as it is now?
    They don't like the idea of a digital pass, nor do the hospitality bodies so we can can probably expect a plan on antigen testing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Swaine wrote: »
    Imagine trying to pay wages and other bills in this situation. Absolutely mental stuff.

    https://twitter.com/BreweryTap2/status/1411657152167612416

    Outdoor dining doesn’t work in Ireland as a solo option. Only useful as something alongside indoor dining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Are we going to have another month where they don't announce the death rates?

    Probably, but they made damn sure to announce when we hit the big 5000 :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's what the HSE have been doing with vaccines - version 31 of their plan. The roadmap is already there and had been mapped out from tomorrow. I think are taking these two weeks for UK data. Hospitality may well get another deferral on 19 July but we really need to see how how other things will be affected. Logically outside should be OK but indoor activities, including offices and the absolutely essential higher capacity on transport are waiting further out, along with fairly urgent decisions on income support.

    There is no roadmap for indoor hospitality, you seem to think it was deferred for 2 weeks but that is not the case.

    By July 19th they aim to have another "plan" in place on how to implement indoor hospitality, the plan based on allowing vaccinated people indoors etc. but there are no dates associated with this "plan" at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    She's a zero covid lunatic with no credibility. Like Tomas Ryan or one of that crew here. Best ignored

    What is it about these academics, they are all complete lunatics. Even the medical people are far more balanced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    A few under 50s I work with have long covid and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

    There’s a wide range of outcomes between 100% recovered and death.

    Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    What is it about these academics, they are all complete lunatics. Even the medical people are far more balanced.

    There's loads of good ones too, it's just that the lunatics shout the loudest so they're most visible. The ones with any credibility let their research do their talking and don't waste their time posting clickbait on twitter or appearing on Claire Byrne.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    zackory wrote: »
    There is no roadmap for indoor hospitality, you seem to think it was deferred for 2 weeks but that is not the case.

    By July 19th they aim to have another "plan" in place on how to implement indoor hospitality, the plan based on allowing vaccinated people indoors etc. but there are no dates associated with this "plan" at all.
    Well, there are all sort of dates for other activities so you seem to be blind to the existence of a roadmap. What exactly does a roadmap for hospitality look like? It's basically binary, we can do it or we can't. All that's missing is a date.


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