M50 thread

donvito99 · 28-04-2021 10:23pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Very true, it would be an absolute nightmare and back to 2 lanes while they would carry out works.

4 lanes it should have been but space just isn't there, stilts are definitely an option but I could never ever see it happening.

Why not 5?

28-04-2021 10:23pm

Most people haven’t a notion the auxiliary lanes are there anyway. Getting those used correctly as part of any education campaign in July would help massively too.

punisher5112 · 28-04-2021 10:25pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Why not 5?

Eh space.

Originally it should have been 4 lanes, this all could have been planned properly.

donvito99 · 28-04-2021 10:37pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Eh space.

Originally it should have been 4 lanes, this all could have been planned properly.

Why 4 though? What's your logic?

punisher5112 · 28-04-2021 10:40pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Why 4 though? What's your logic?

Because 2 wasn't enough when it was built, it definitely should have been 3 and space for 4.
That ain't ever going to happen, sure it's been built up too in many places.

donvito99 · 28-04-2021 10:44pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Because 2 wasn't enough when it was built, it definitely should have been 3 and space for 4.
That ain't ever going to happen, sure it's been but up too in many places.

2 wasn't enough, so we built a third. But that's not enough, so let's build a fourth. But hang on a second, why not a fifth...

All the while the traffic gets worse as you make more space for more traffic... What was supposed to be a bypass is now used, as you suggested earlier, by local traffic who are apparently being inconvenienced by schemes designed to encourage people to get around traffic and actually reduce it.

Back on topic, is this across the full length (M1 to M11)?

punisher5112 · 28-04-2021 10:48pm

donvito99 wrote: »

2 wasn't enough, so we built a third. But that's not enough, so let's build a fourth. But hang on a second, why not a fifth...

All the while the traffic gets worse as you make more space for more traffic... What was supposed to be a bypass is now used, as you suggested earlier, by local traffic who are apparently being inconvenienced by schemes designed to encourage people to get around traffic and actually reduce it.

Back on topic, is this across the full length (M1 to M11)?

Yes end to end pretty much.

I was wondering when I seen these new solar and wind turbine units fitted, these obviously have something to do with it and the new measure units fitted in the road surfaces which they then resurfaced after.

BonnieSituation · 28-04-2021 11:16pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's to actually slow traffic down so in theory it will ease the amount of traffic at the exits at any given time, longer takes to get there the plan is less sitting waiting for light changes....

I can only see more use the M50 from now on with the absolute shambles of any roads in Dublin with all these new kerbs, poles, one way systems, cycle lanes etc.....

It's really going to be a pain trying to commute when it goes back to normal.

Hopefully it's enough of a pain that people will get the fupp out of their car.

BonnieSituation · 28-04-2021 11:17pm

arccosh wrote: »

I wonder if the hard shoulder is on the chopping block next, like they are on UK roads

That would be insane.
Thankfully it isn't on the chopping block.

punisher5112 · 28-04-2021 11:20pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Hopefully it's enough of a pain that people will get the fupp out of their car.

And do what.
Our transportation system is a joke.

Walking and cycling isn't for everyone.

Sure these scooters are also a danger, users can't indicate to show where they intend to turn.

Road space gone, speed limits set to 30 etc etc....

BonnieSituation · 28-04-2021 11:31pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

And do what.
Our transportation system is a joke.

Walking and cycling isn't for everyone.

Sure these scooters are also a danger, users can't indicate to show where they intend to turn.

Road space gone, speed limits set to 30 etc etc....

It sure is.

And that reduced road space should not be used by cars.

marno21 · 29-04-2021 12:05am

I watched back the committee meeting and Peter Walsh of TII said that all lane running is not under consideration. Hard shoulder remaining as

L1011 · 29-04-2021 11:57am

marno21 wrote: »

I watched back the committee meeting and Peter Walsh of TII said that all lane running is not under consideration. Hard shoulder remaining as

The busiest sections don't have continuous hard shoulders and they're on the inside of the inter-junction lanes so it'd basically be impossible anyway. As well as lethally dangerous.

punisher5112 · 29-04-2021 12:29pm

I actually can't understand how people don't follow other countries and get mopeds or motorbikes for city commuting.

Miss them when I was in Dublin, flew through traffic

29-04-2021 12:54pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I actually can't understand how people don't follow other countries and get mopeds or motorbikes for city commuting.

Miss them when I was in Dublin, flew through traffic

It's more the other way round, people mostly started on two wheels then progressed to four.
few go back to mopeds after cars

BronsonTB · 29-04-2021 2:08pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I actually can't understand how people don't follow other countries and get mopeds or motorbikes for city commuting.

Miss them when I was in Dublin, flew through traffic

Do you know how hard & expensive it is to have a moped or motorbike in Ireland?

Lessons/licencing rules/test/Insurance/weather etc
System is against 2 wheel ownership & actively discourages it.

punisher5112 · 29-04-2021 2:44pm

BronsonTB wrote: »

Do you know how hard & expensive it is to have a moped or motorbike in Ireland?

Lessons/licencing rules/test/Insurance/weather etc
System is against 2 wheel ownership & actively discourages it.

Of course I do. Have a full licence myself.

I couldn't sit in 2 hour traffic unless I'm in work which doesn't bother me.

BronsonTB · 29-04-2021 2:48pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Of course I do. Have a full licence myself.

I couldn't sit in 2 hour traffic unless I'm in work which doesn't bother me.

Fair enough, I was thinking of the people that don't have a licence & are starting from scratch getting on the road.....alot easier get into a car than on a bike here. (Think we only have 3 insurance companies now)

Alkers · 29-04-2021 4:44pm

BronsonTB wrote: »

Fair enough, I was thinking of the people that don't have a licence & are starting from scratch getting on the road.....alot easier get into a car than on a bike here. (Think we only have 3 insurance companies now)

It's not really, new car drivers need 12hours lessons Vs 16 I think for IBT on the bike. It only really seems a lot of effort if you already have a car license.

29-04-2021 5:04pm

Back in the day, the moped licence was also given when you passed the car driving test, I have one but I believe they dropped it many years ago.

punisher5112 · 29-04-2021 5:20pm

M50 is in a jock going onto M11 at Bray.... Poxy bank holiday weekend Garda checkpoint is back in action....

Jeremy Sproket · 30-04-2021 12:21pm

Wonderful news. This will weed out those who can't obey simple rules.

Most HGV drivers are serial breakers of speed limits.

BelfastVanMan · 30-04-2021 12:26pm

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

Wonderful news. This will weed out those who can't obey simple rules.

Most HGV drivers are serial breakers of speed limits.

That's a bit of an unfair generalisation; a lot of them are, then again, so are a lot of car drivers.

prunudo · 30-04-2021 1:10pm

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

Wonderful news. This will weed out those who can't obey simple rules.

Most HGV drivers are serial breakers of speed limits.

And most cyclists break red lights, bmw drivers don't use indicators, white van drivers tailgate etc etc.
Trucks can do 90kph on motorways, unusual to see them doing more than that.

NickNickleby · 30-04-2021 1:15pm

prunudo wrote: »

And most cyclists break red lights, bmw drivers don't use indicators, white van drivers tailgate etc etc.
Trucks can do 90kph on motorways, unusual to see them doing more than that.

While there's bound to be a couple of cowboys, I think the best drivers on the road are behind the wheel of a truck or bus/coach.

Jeremy Sproket · 30-04-2021 1:15pm

prunudo wrote: »

And most cyclists break red lights, bmw drivers don't use indicators, white van drivers tailgate etc etc.
Trucks can do 90kph on motorways, unusual to see them doing more than that.

There's nothing to stop them driving at 90 km/h in a 80 or 60 zone and they frequently do.

Jeremy Sproket · 30-04-2021 1:16pm

NickNickleby wrote: »

While there's bound to be a couple of cowboys, I think the best drivers on the road are behind the wheel of a truck or bus/coach.

So why do the majority break the speed limit? I am frequently overtaken by HGVs even when I drive precisely at the limit, as to exceed the limit could have fatal consequences.

Sam Russell · 30-04-2021 1:36pm

Mod: Can we keep to he M50 please. We are all above average drivers.

30-04-2021 1:59pm

M5 :P

NickNickleby · 30-04-2021 2:05pm

I have often thought that the overhead gantries are underused.
For instance: " Slow Down Now. Congestion Ahead. Don't add to it!"
I think people need to be convinced about the need for certain controls before they'll comply. Complying doesn't imply "sheep" or whatever the mot du jour is on the internet, it means contributing to the efficiency of the motorway - not to mention actually benefitting from it.

I know... its a pipe dream. Hence the need for the speed cameras.

Sam Russell · 30-04-2021 3:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

M5 :P

My keyboard often misses a character.

30-04-2021 7:16pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

My keyboard often misses a character.

I kno I'm only pulling your le.

Sam Russell · 30-04-2021 7:27pm

Mod: A troll post removed plus those that replied to it. Sorry to those that replied.

blanch152 · 04-05-2021 4:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Back in the day, the moped licence was also given when you passed the car driving test, I have one but I believe they dropped it many years ago.

You are correct, and I got one too, despite never having sat on a moped before. Not currently commuting and got rid of the moped when I stopped, but I used one for over a decade. Great for getting in and out of Dublin.

csd · 08-05-2021 8:14pm

Folks,

Some of the new electronic gantry signs that have started to go up on the M50 as part of the EMOS project. So far they only seem to be up on the northern section between the N3 and M1 interchanges.

1. Integrated into an existing direction sign gantry.

2. Large sign + lane controls

3. The third style.

/csd

09-05-2021 12:02pm

WOW, only took 10 years after the gantries were erected!

punisher5112 · 09-05-2021 12:24pm

Starting to look like the UK now....

Unreal that's took so long....

Even outside Dublin there are huge single type ones which have never been fitted with the screen.

03-07-2021 6:19pm

It’s really getting to the stage where they need to Holland off the exit lanes anoint 1.5 to 2km before the exit junctions. Especially N7 southbound, N3 southbound, and N4 northbound. Massive needless delays being caused by people squeezing in late every day.

Alkers · 04-07-2021 2:30pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s really getting to the stage where they need to Holland off the exit lanes anoint 1.5 to 2km before the exit junctions. Especially N7 southbound, N3 southbound, and N4 northbound. Massive needless delays being caused by people squeezing in late every day.

That will just move the problem?

04-07-2021 3:55pm

Alkers wrote: »

That will just move the problem?

It will still give a clear run to the exit from that point. Failing that, a sniper.

Sam Russell · 04-07-2021 9:00pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s really getting to the stage where they need to Holland off the exit lanes anoint 1.5 to 2km before the exit junctions. Especially N7 southbound, N3 southbound, and N4 northbound. Massive needless delays being caused by people squeezing in late every day.

In France they mark off lanes two and three before the junction, so you have to be in lane one to exit - so exit drivers must get into lane one long before the exit.

Of course, this all goes to nought without any enforcement.

They need average speed cameras, and include NCT and Tax, and insurance into them.

jlang · 05-07-2021 5:24pm

Part of the weaving problem is also exiting traffic trying to push into the aux lane immediately it joins after the previous junction, not giving the traffic coming down the onramp any space to comfortably join into lane 1.

vickers209 · 18-08-2021 5:12pm

Anyone know why they moved the toll point/ cameras further north towards blanch?

cgcsb · 18-08-2021 6:07pm

It's mad with all the bluff about reducing emissions and promoting alternative modes of transport that there isn't even any talk of building a public transport/walking/cycling alternative to the M50, the state's busiest road. Even the most motivated of avid walkers, cyclists and public transport users are more/less forced to make all North-South journeys by car on the M50.

There is basically no practical alternative for any north-south journey between lucan and chapelizod and neither of them are exactly direct routes between trip generators. A short journey between Clondalkin and blanch must be completed by getting in a car and driving on the country's busiest road, absolute bonkers planning and utterly laughable for any modern state.

ongarboy · 20-08-2021 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117772963#Comment_117772963

You realise 1000s of motorists go from Lucan to Chapelizod via Strawberry Beds and as many more from Blanchardstown to Clondalkin via the Clonsilla/Clonee/Lucan back roads every day? Not the smoothest of alternatives sure but still fairly practical. In fact I've often timed journeys from the M7 to Clonsilla (and vice versa) in a shorter time going via Grange Castle and Lucan rather than going all the way into a gridlocked tolled M50 and back out onto a gridlocked N3.

cgcsb · 21-08-2021 12:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117782730#Comment_117782730

I think you missed the point. Walking, cycling or taking public transport for North-south journeys in West Dublin is very difficult, the only crossing point are chapelizod and lucan, fine if you are in a car but not very practical otherwise.

Why talk about reducing emissions from transport if there is almost no non-car alternative to the country's busiest road.

ongarboy · 22-08-2021 9:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117783237#Comment_117783237

Sorry I did misinterpret you. I didn't realise you were specifically referring to non private car options. There is a Dublin bus that goes from Blanchardstown to Liffey Valley via Lucan but not much other options. Cycling on those windy narrow back roads is lethal too.

Sully · 12-09-2021 4:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117112415#Comment_117112415

This appears to have more or less stopped, unless their not doing the full length of the M50.

loyatemu · 13-09-2021 10:53am

the gantry signs on Saturday were warning of traffic at J14 for the horse racing - this was as I was driving north past Tallaght with Leopardstown many miles behind me.

markpb · 13-09-2021 11:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883871#Comment_117883871

Human error probably.

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