Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

smallgarden · 03-07-2021 06:06PM

km79 wrote: »

My wife is getting second jab at mvc Monday. She just got the questionnaire text

I have it in my head that I read here a few times that if she completes it the appointment can end up getting cancelled in error ?
Am I going mad or is she better not to fill it ?

I've just heard on the radio that they're rolling out texts to everyone to speed up the process in the mvcs. If you don't consent you're appointment will be cancelled. Hopefully they've fixed any glitches, where people's appointments were cancelled, if they're trying to get everyone to do this.

robinbird · 03-07-2021 06:07PM

Marcusm wrote: »

Still won’t be permitted for 37 year olds. He was teg’d and high on pharmacy waiting list but they’ve been instructed to vaccinated under 35s and over 50s only. You couldn’t make it up. I’m fully done but it would be nice for both to be done.

Makes sense. Most of those 37s will have an appointment at a MVC. If they were allowed to register at pharmacy as well they would be a no show at one or the other.

lucernarian · 03-07-2021 06:11PM

So with the extra million doses from Romania, and existing confirmed supplies, are we looking at vaccinating 500-600k people per week later in July? Will the MVCs have capacity to vaccinate that kind of number? Will more MVCs be opened or will the GP system be leveraged further?

JPup · 03-07-2021 07:31PM

smallgarden wrote: »

I've just heard on the radio that they're rolling out texts to everyone to speed up the process in the mvcs. If you don't consent you're appointment will be cancelled. Hopefully they've fixed any glitches, where people's appointments were cancelled, if they're trying to get everyone to do this.

Anyone else heard this? Is it confirmed? Could lead to a huge number of cancellations potentially.

Senor Frog · 03-07-2021 07:44PM

Can anybody answer this question for me ?
My mother got the first dose of the A.Z vaccine ,
She would prefer to get a pfizer vaccine for second dose , as she has read that the mixing of vaccines provides greater immunity to delta variant . She is due to get second dose of A.Z vaccine next Thursday , can she refuse and request Pfizer ?

I have tried to find out by searching online but all the results are for outside of Ireland . Are we currently mixing vaccine types here at all?

T.I.A

smallgarden · 03-07-2021 07:44PM

JPup wrote: »

Anyone else heard this? Is it confirmed? Could lead to a huge number of cancellations potentially.

Not the most reliable source but this is pretty much what I heard today. They're just trying to speed everything up

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/covid-vaccine-ireland-hse-issue-24452866

Skygord · 03-07-2021 07:48PM

Lumen wrote: »

Mass vaccination centres.

...and re-purpose the already established HSE Covid Testing Centres to give vaccinations (just my idea, haven't seen any official discussion of this ).

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/testing/walk-in-test-centres/

Lots of them up and running, surely it's a logical step - especially large counties with few MVC's?

snotboogie · 03-07-2021 08:02PM

EU vaccine stats updated:

Country per capita
Malta 153
Belgium 95.5
Cyprus 93.5
Netherlands 93
Spain 91.5
Germany 90.5
Portugal 90
Luxembourg 89.5
Austria 88.5
Italy 87
Lithuania 85.5
Ireland 85
Greece 82
Sweden 81
France 80.5
Finland 80.5
Czech Rep 79
Poland 78
Slovenia 73.5
Estonia 73
Denmark 70.5
Slovakia 67
Croatia 64
Latvia 62
Romania 47
Bulgaria 25.5

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 08:06PM

Skygord wrote: »

...and re-purpose the already established HSE Covid Testing Centres to give vaccinations (just my idea, haven't seen any official discussion of this ).

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/testing/walk-in-test-centres/

Lots of them up and running, surely it's a logical step - especially large counties with few MVC's?

Vaccinators are the biggest issue, not so much locations

iamwhoiam · 03-07-2021 08:15PM

duffman13 wrote: »

Vaccinators are the biggest issue, not so much locations

A huge issue was that they didn’t allow part time vaccinators apparently . Many applied to do weekends or evenings or three days a week but were rejected . They could have doubled the amount of vaccinators if it was allowed
I stand corrected if the remedied that but it was definitely an issue in the beginning

Lumen · 03-07-2021 08:16PM

duffman13 wrote: »

Vaccinators are the biggest issue, not so much locations

Based on my experience in 2 MVCs (Aviva and Greystones) the process can be made more efficient. The vaccinators are presumably only uniquely qualified to do the jabbing, which takes a couple of seconds, but spent a couple of minutes doing data entry/verification on tablets which could be done by any number of presumably literate people standing around doing nothing.

Juza1973 · 03-07-2021 08:18PM

duffman13 wrote: »

I'd be surprised if Curevac features at this stage. Pfizer deal has sown up supply for the foreseeable and unless Curevac is on stream in the next week or two then it'll be very low numbers that would be getting it.

I would jump the gun to get it, for ethical reasons

iamwhoiam · 03-07-2021 08:20PM

Lumen wrote: »

Based on my experience in 2 MVCs (Aviva and Greystones) the process can be made more efficient. The vaccinators are presumably only uniquely qualified to do the jabbing, which takes a couple of seconds, but spent a couple of minutes doing data entry/verification on tablets which could be done by any number of presumably literate people standing around doing nothing.

In City west another person in the cubicle asked the questions and entered them while the vaccinator set up .

CrowdedHouse · 03-07-2021 08:22PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

In City west another person in the cubicle asked the questions and entered them while the vaccinator set up .

Same in Nenagh

ElTel · 03-07-2021 08:29PM

I was one of 9 people last to be vaccinated midweek in the Helix.
Supervisor called for 2 more vials. She had been counting numbers for the last 20 minutes to limit wastage I suppose.
She (fairly confidently) assumed 14 doses and directed someone to bring in 3 (at first) from the approx 30 people hanging around hopefully outside.
Vaccinated 10 mins later.

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 08:36PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A huge issue was that they didn’t allow part time vaccinators apparently . Many applied to do weekends or evenings or three days a week but were rejected . They could have doubled the amount of vaccinators if it was allowed
I stand corrected if the remedied that but it was definitely an issue in the beginning

They subbed a lot out through agencies, the going rate was below a lot regular hourly rates along with the scheduling issues you mentioned around part time. The part time thing varies though from centre to centre. Asking a physio/dentist/pharmacist to jump through hoops for €22 an hours when they are getting a lot more for locum work was mad

twomonkeys · 03-07-2021 09:39PM

JPup wrote: »

Anyone else heard this? Is it confirmed? Could lead to a huge number of cancellations potentially.

I dont think it means they’ll cancel your appt if you dont answer the questions online ahead of your appt…..it means if you answer NO to the consent question, they’ll cancel your appointment. Basically they’re warning people if they fill in the questionnaire online, they need to make sure and answer yes to the Consent question. A mix up like that could easily be rectified if you were answering the q’s in person at the MVC, but online it’ll cancel your appt.

ETA.. I just did mine online on my phone. You could very easily hit the wrong button by accident. Maybe that’s why some people had their appts cancelled, might be nothing to do with a glitch and just simple human error.

03-07-2021 09:56PM

Senor Frog wrote: »

Can anybody answer this question for me ?
My mother got the first dose of the A.Z vaccine ,
She would prefer to get a pfizer vaccine for second dose , as she has read that the mixing of vaccines provides greater immunity to delta variant . She is due to get second dose of A.Z vaccine next Thursday , can she refuse and request Pfizer ?

I have tried to find out by searching online but all the results are for outside of Ireland . Are we currently mixing vaccine types here at all?

T.I.A

No.

And the difference is marginal

degsie · 03-07-2021 10:05PM

Smooth as silk in City West for 2nd vac. Fair play to the army medical corp.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-07-2021 10:15PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A huge issue was that they didn’t allow part time vaccinators apparently . Many applied to do weekends or evenings or three days a week but were rejected . They could have doubled the amount of vaccinators if it was allowed
I stand corrected if the remedied that but it was definitely an issue in the beginning

I thought they were allowing part time vaccinators.

Leo was doing it part time. I know a gp and a pharmacist who were doing it part time.

I am aware thay they weren't allowig people who work full time HSE roles do significant extra hours as a vacciantor. I know of a junior doctor who was refused because junior doctors do crazy hours without extra on top.

civdef · 03-07-2021 11:32PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A huge issue was that they didn’t allow part time vaccinators apparently . Many applied to do weekends or evenings or three days a week but were rejected . They could have doubled the amount of vaccinators if it was allowed
I stand corrected if the remedied that but it was definitely an issue in the beginning

Not true. I'm doing it part time, as are many, many others.

civdef · 03-07-2021 11:36PM

Lumen wrote: »

Based on my experience in 2 MVCs (Aviva and Greystones) the process can be made more efficient. The vaccinators are presumably only uniquely qualified to do the jabbing, which takes a couple of seconds, but spent a couple of minutes doing data entry/verification on tablets which could be done by any number of presumably literate people standing around doing nothing.

The texts for consent / eligibility are intended to reduce this delay a bit, with the person entering their details before attending the MVC.

That said, for most people, it only takes a minute or so to do the data entry / verification on the tablet.

Lumen · 03-07-2021 11:44PM

civdef wrote: »

The texts for consent / eligibility are intended to reduce this delay a bit, with the person entering their details before attending the MVC.

That said, for most people, it only takes a minute or so to do the data entry / verification on the tablet.

I had entered all details requested in the app.

My point is that if vaccinators are the bottleneck, they shouldn't be doing any clerical work.

Hippodrome Song Owl · 04-07-2021 01:23AM

I unexpectedly need minor surgery and am awaiting the date - also waiting on my vaccination appointment. Will this affect vaccination - as in will I need to wait any particular period after the surgery for them to vaccinate me? Or will it be OK to go ahead if the vaccine appointment ends up being a day or so after the surgery?

04-07-2021 01:41AM

L1011 wrote: »

Short-dated mRNA vaccines with their comparatively complicated storage and handling requirements are not what you send to countries with non-existent healthcare systems.

An ex-colleague who went back to Bolivia last year got vaccinated with Pfizer in the past few days. They had previously had an embargo on Pfizer for political reasons. In places where they have no healthcare facilities, she said they were just driving the trucks into rural areas and vaccinated the entire community at once. The vaccine doesn't require ultra-cold temperature storage as it had previously; it can now be stored in ordinary fridges for one month.

I'm relating the above example because it's the only example I've heard of, but I'd be very surprised if that kind of delivery isn't being replicated everywhere with weak healthcare infrastructure. It seems like the obvious approach.

cj maxx · 04-07-2021 07:07AM

Has the AZ vaccine got a bad rep or why do I not hear about it now ?

JTMan · 04-07-2021 07:37AM

Viability and verification work is occurring with the Romanian doses. Thereafter, shipping to be discussed over coming days as the Sunday Times reports (paywall).

Work is ongoing to assess the status of up to one million Covid-19 vaccine doses which the government has agreed to purchase from Romania. Arrangements to ship the vaccine will be discussed over the coming days once their viability has been verified.

is_that_so · 04-07-2021 07:42AM

cj maxx wrote: »

Has the AZ vaccine got a bad rep or why do I not hear about it now ?

There is the clotting issue issue but most of the bad rep is for their inability to deliver reliably. You don't hear about it as we are now moving to the end of its use here.

twomonkeys · 04-07-2021 08:43AM

Hippodrome Song Owl wrote: »

I unexpectedly need minor surgery and am awaiting the date - also waiting on my vaccination appointment. Will this affect vaccination - as in will I need to wait any particular period after the surgery for them to vaccinate me? Or will it be OK to go ahead if the vaccine appointment ends up being a day or so after the surgery?

That is something you should ask your doctor.
For what it's worth, if your procedure is by local anesthetic you should be fine (was in that situation myself) but it’s something to discuss with your doctor, not random people on a public forum.

xboxdad · 04-07-2021 08:58AM

Does anybody know why the Helix is not listed anymore:

https://www2.hse.ie/Apps/Services/VaccineClinics.aspx?county=Dublin

(recently announced replacement Swords based MVC not listed yet either)

Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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