clarkson's Farm

03-07-2021 10:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Good neeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwsssssssssss.........

Second season confirmed

Clarkson tweeted yesterday, apparently the announcement of a second series is "fake news", but "we are hopeful".

wrangler · 03-07-2021 10:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Clarkson tweeted yesterday, apparently the announcement of a second series is "fake news", but "we are hopeful".

It does get tiresome after a while

CoBo55 · 03-07-2021 10:59AM

wrangler wrote: »

It does get tiresome after a while

Twitter?
You're right there!!

03-07-2021 11:46AM

wrangler wrote: »

It does get tiresome after a while

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Mimon · 03-07-2021 12:37PM

K.G. wrote: »

If this keeps up We could be looking for the land league back

People buying land legitimately and using it as they wish has zero parallels with the reasons that a land league was needed.

Lano Lynn · 03-07-2021 09:52PM

i have not seen any of the programme and would not be a big clarkson fan but it would appear he has opened a lot of peoples eyes about a lot of what farming is going through.

the history of 'big money' buying farmland really goes back to the reign of king George III (farmer George) when with the industrial revoulution the nouveau riche acquired estates as status symbols, the land was tenanted on three generation leases which resulted in a very stable rural model.
Thatcher dumped that model and brought in short term farm business tenancies which led to large investment companies and high income individuals buying farms and using them to store wealth (rents have gone up) and as tax dodges.

The scale seems to amaze us over here (clarksons is 1000acres)
The funny thing is exactly the same thing is happening here and no one says a thing O'leary bought another farm in the last month, there are two 150+acre farms within this parish that have been bought by overseas investors in the recent past, one leased out the other a vanity project (swallowing money)
and how many of us know of another 'farm' albeit 25ac bought by a retired garda or solicitor et al just to get planning permission for a rural mansion with highland cattle and a pony for authenticity?

In reality the vast majority of farms are contributing less and less income, as off farm incomes increases and with the new CAP instead of thinking in terms of average industrial wage vs farm subsidies it is going to be more like comparing social welfare vs farm subsidies.

As working from home online increases well paid professionals will drive up land prices and some will return to their roots and partake in farming often spending serious money on stock, machinery and buildings to offset tax /depreciation helping to prolong the illusion that all is well in rural ireland and the origin green fairy tale is real

so as disagreeable as jeremy may be he does give credit to those who actually Farm and recognise that it takes skill and real grit to actually make a farm work

wrangler · 03-07-2021 10:47PM

Lano Lynn wrote: »

i have not seen any of the programme and would not be a big clarkson fan but it would appear he has opened a lot of peoples eyes about a lot of what farming is going through.

the history of 'big money' buying farmland really goes back to the reign of king George III (farmer George) when with the industrial revoulution the nouveau riche acquired estates as status symbols, the land was tenanted on three generation leases which resulted in a very stable rural model.
Thatcher dumped that model and brought in short term farm business tenancies which led to large investment companies and high income individuals buying farms and using them to store wealth (rents have gone up) and as tax dodges.

The scale seems to amaze us over here (clarksons is 1000acres)
The funny thing is exactly the same thing is happening here and no one says a thing O'leary bought another farm in the last month, there are two 150+acre farms within this parish that have been bought by overseas investors in the recent past, one leased out the other a vanity project (swallowing money)
and how many of us know of another 'farm' albeit 25ac bought by a retired garda or solicitor et al just to get planning permission for a rural mansion with highland cattle and a pony for authenticity?

In reality the vast majority of farms are contributing less and less income, as off farm incomes increases and with the new CAP instead of thinking in terms of average industrial wage vs farm subsidies it is going to be more like comparing social welfare vs farm subsidies.

As working from home online increases well paid professionals will drive up land prices and some will return to their roots and partake in farming often spending serious money on stock, machinery and buildings to offset tax /depreciation helping to prolong the illusion that all is well in rural ireland and the origin green fairy tale is real

so as disagreeable as jeremy may be he does give credit to those who actually Farm and recognise that it takes skill and real grit to actually make a farm work

I'm just after watching the last episode, where he clears £144 profit on 1000 and he does give farmers credif for what they do.
We're becoming a victim our own success regarding tax concessions, People are spending on land now as it's one of the most tax efficient ways of transferring wealth to the next generation

handlemaster · 04-07-2021 02:04PM

Its pure entertainment only where one wealthy man throws money at issues doesnt deal with real farming issues where real decisions have to be made.

leoch · 04-07-2021 02:12PM

Watched it yesterday first time aswell its good but most of it is set up .....very fine place and endless amount of money to fire at it.....very kind of top gearesque.....but very enjoyable and the land is just to die for

wrangler · 04-07-2021 02:29PM

leoch wrote: »

Watched it yesterday first time aswell its good but most of it is set up .....very fine place and endless amount of money to fire at it.....very kind of top gearesque.....but very enjoyable and the land is just to die for

Watching last episode yesterday I was fascinated by his cars, an off road raised mercedes SL and an off road Bentley..... more toys for him

04-07-2021 02:32PM

wrangler wrote: »

Watching last episode yesterday I was fascinated by his cars, an off road raised mercedes SL and an off road Bentley..... more toys for him

The Bentley was a car he had on Top Gear, not sure about the Merc

handlemaster · 04-07-2021 04:33PM

The end figures saying 144 pounds made is miss leading.

No mention of shop figures
No mention of government payments
No mention of the fact he employed people others wouldn't have done or needed to do.

What of the payments from amazon. Alots of farms have supplementary income and this is one of them here.

All pie in the sky stuff

K.G. · 04-07-2021 06:42PM

Mimon wrote: »

People buying land legitimately and using it as they wish has zero parallels with the reasons that a land league was needed.

That is true but the problem seems to be that incentives put in place to facilitate farm continuity are being used as tax planning and wealth transfer

CoBo55 · 04-07-2021 07:18PM

handlemaster wrote: »

The end figures saying 144 pounds made is miss leading.

No mention of shop figures
No mention of government payments
No mention of the fact he employed people others wouldn't have done or needed to do.

What of the payments from amazon. Alots of farms have supplementary income and this is one of them here.

All pie in the sky stuff

No it isn't, he said himself if I didn't have Amazon and millionaire behind me I would be in trouble. His next question was, what are ordinary farmers going to do in the future when all the payments dry up? I enjoyed it and I think Clarkson did too.

handlemaster · 04-07-2021 07:21PM

CoBo55 wrote: »

No it isn't, he said himself if I didn't have Amazon and millionaire behind me I would be in trouble. His next question was, what are ordinary farmers going to do in the future when all the payments dry up? I enjoyed it and I think Clarkson did too.

I'm glad you agree with me.

wrangler · 04-07-2021 08:01PM

CoBo55 wrote: »

No it isn't, he said himself if I didn't have Amazon and millionaire behind me I would be in trouble. His next question was, what are ordinary farmers going to do in the future when all the payments dry up? I enjoyed it and I think Clarkson did too.

He was very upfront about the whole thing.......... or so it seemed to me

04-07-2021 08:19PM

On episode 3. The kids are enjoying it

04-07-2021 08:36PM

wrangler wrote: »

He was very upfront about the whole thing.......... or so it seemed to me

He absolutely was. He never once tried to make this show something that it wasn’t. There are many who wish that he had, so that they could pull him down. I remember him saying early on that he wondered what farmers did when they couldn’t go an host Who Wants to be a Millionaire in the evenings

crazy 88 · 04-07-2021 08:36PM

handlemaster wrote: »

The end figures saying 144 pounds made is miss leading.

No mention of shop figures
No mention of government payments
No mention of the fact he employed people others wouldn't have done or needed to do.

What of the payments from amazon. Alots of farms have supplementary income and this is one of them here.

All pie in the sky stuff

You clearly zoned out or didn't watch that part properly at all

crazy 88 · 04-07-2021 08:43PM

leoch wrote: »

Watched it yesterday first time aswell its good but most of it is set up .....very fine place and endless amount of money to fire at it.....very kind of top gearesque.....but very enjoyable and the land is just to die for

Some minor parts were probably setup like Kaleb going to London but I don't think most of it was like TG or GT. He gets genuinely pissed off and angry in some parts and you couldn't really set up the wet/dry weather that caused havoc with the crops.

straight · 04-07-2021 09:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He absolutely was. He never once tried to make this show something that it wasn’t. There are many who wish that he had, so that they could pull him down. I remember him saying early on that he wondered what farmers did when they couldn’t go an host Who Wants to be a Millionaire in the evenings

I think Charlies (think this was his name) answer was there will be a sea change and 30% less farmers.

locha · 04-07-2021 09:21PM

Thought it was pretty good. The standpoint moment was getting his accounts done and T/O down £90k year on year - same amount of land planted but variance down to seasonality- price and weather. That’s a good education for the non farmers of what it’s like.

Say my name · 04-07-2021 11:20PM

K.G. wrote: »

That is true but the problem seems to be that incentives put in place to facilitate farm continuity are being used as tax planning and wealth transfer

The UK are what's ahead of us. Just further down the road.
Cos they didn't bring in a new state and set up a land commission to divide up thousand acre estates.
We'll be back to the land situation in this country as
1916 in 2116. Just different surname owners.

Unless something radical is proposed by government. Which face it can happen as evident by our European neighbours.
Even southern hemisphere countries set their own rules slowing down foreign investors buying large land tracts accumulated by nationals.
The free rule of ownership won't continue in this country forever as logic would have it bigger getting bigger continuously and corporate ownership used to keep tax down and the same as the southern hemisphere foreign interests buying for food security or even now carbon subsidies.
At some point the government will be forced to have their governance on the land in this country if what they see isn't in their ladybook copy of farm and land and food producers.

CoBo55 · 04-07-2021 11:24PM

Say my name wrote: »

The UK are what's ahead of us. Just further down the road.
Cos they didn't bring in a new state and set up a land commission to divide up thousand acre estates.
We'll be back to the land situation in this country as
1916 in 2116. Just different surname owners.

Unless something radical is proposed by government. Which face it can happen as evident by our European neighbours.
Even southern hemisphere countries set their own rules slowing down foreign investors buying large land tracts accumulated by nationals.
The free rule of ownership won't continue in this country forever as logic would have it bigger getting bigger continuously and corporate ownership used to keep tax down and the same as the southern hemisphere foreign interests buying for food security or even now carbon subsidies.
At some point the government will be forced to have their governance on the land in this country if what they see isn't in their ladybook copy of farm and land and food producers.

Sorry but I haven't a clue what you're on about.
I don't think it has anything to do with Clarksons farm anyway.

Hard Knocks · 04-07-2021 11:47PM

Say my name wrote: »

The UK are what's ahead of us. Just further down the road.
Cos they didn't bring in a new state and set up a land commission to divide up thousand acre estates.
We'll be back to the land situation in this country as
1916 in 2116. Just different surname owners.

Unless something radical is proposed by government. Which face it can happen as evident by our European neighbours.
Even southern hemisphere countries set their own rules slowing down foreign investors buying large land tracts accumulated by nationals.
The free rule of ownership won't continue in this country forever as logic would have it bigger getting bigger continuously and corporate ownership used to keep tax down and the same as the southern hemisphere foreign interests buying for food security or even now carbon subsidies.
At some point the government will be forced to have their governance on the land in this country if what they see isn't in their ladybook copy of farm and land and food producers.

Will we have a Government brave enough
Even at the moment they’re afraid to step up

Say my name · 04-07-2021 11:56PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Will we have a Government brave enough
Even at the moment they’re afraid to step up

It'll happen sometime.
Orders on derelict houses were brought in when a problem was perceived.
It's only when it's a considered problem that any government worldwide takes action.

CoBo55 · 05-07-2021 12:03AM

What are ye on about lads? Did I have a petit mal seizure or something?

FileNotFound · 05-07-2021 12:06AM

What a great show this was. Truly enjoyed it.

Not sure if there will be another season.

Kaleb was great watching.. Better than Clarkson.

05-07-2021 12:06AM

CoBo55 wrote: »

What are ye on about lads? Did I have a petit mal seizure or something?

The development of a modern form of landlordism where wealthy individuals are buying large tracts of land, pricing out us little people. Clarkson for example has 1,000 acres, Dyson has I believe something like 25k acres (correct me if I'm wrong) and so forth. That mass accumulation of land by private individuals will only increase.

Say my name · 05-07-2021 12:08AM

CoBo55 wrote: »

What are ye on about lads? Did I have a petit mal seizure or something?

A television presenter buying a thousand acres and playing farmer for another television show production.
It's discussed all through the thread.

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