Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

03-07-2021 08:59AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Versus one and done of J&J, which is effective against variants.

J & J protection from trial was measured 28 days after 1 dose, Pfizer 1 week after 2nd dose. 5 weeks vs 4 weeks makes almost no difference to me.

J & J are still running a two dose trial and if results are good I fully expect people to be encouraged to get a second dose so I don't think the "one and done" thing is the full picture.

is_that_so · 03-07-2021 09:02AM

Johnny0Toole wrote: »

J & J protection from trial was measured 28 days after 1 dose, Pfizer 1 week after 2nd dose. 5 weeks vs 4 weeks makes almost no difference to me.

J & J are still running a two dose trial and if results are good I fully expect people to be encouraged to get a second dose so I don't think the "one and done" thing is the full picture.

Whatever they are about to put in your arm is the best choice. It is an attractive option for some people and there looks to be big demand in the 18-34 group.

JPup · 03-07-2021 09:06AM

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Has the government come out and said that there will be a system to ensure people who have recently had Covid will not have a J&J vaccine wasted on them when a single Pfizer/ AZ will do?

How do you mean? Why would it be a waste. One dose of J&J gives similar levels of protection to the other vaccines from serious disease, especially if you’ve already had Covid.

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 09:07AM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

If you were under 35 and had a choice between J&J or Pfizer in the same week which would you pick?

No underlying health issues and just trying to tick a box then I'd do J&J for convenience if I was a male under 35. Like everything else, that could change but J&J efficacy numbers are very good for a one dose regime.

03-07-2021 09:08AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It is an attractive option for some people and there looks to be big demand in the 18-34 group.

I don't dispute that, I was answering another posters open question about preference, and just giving my reasons why.

I can fully see the attraction of one shot, but based on all I've read Pfizer is objectively a better vaccine for disease prevention, safety, and reduction of spread, so that outweighs the convenience element for me.

Blessed to be in a country where having different options is now actually happening.

newboard · 03-07-2021 09:20AM

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

giveitholly · 03-07-2021 09:22AM

newboard wrote: »

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

Why not ask them?

pjohnson · 03-07-2021 09:23AM

newboard wrote: »

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

They must think vaccine is contagious.

Or that the 5G transmitter is too powerful.

newboard · 03-07-2021 09:23AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Why not ask them?

They won't say why

03-07-2021 09:25AM

newboard wrote: »

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

There's a nutjob theory that vaccinated people "shed" virus. But that's impossible for the type of vaccines being used.

blackcard · 03-07-2021 09:25AM

newboard wrote: »

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

Grand. Tell them that you are staying put and they can work elsewhere ⁸

giveitholly · 03-07-2021 09:26AM

newboard wrote: »

They won't say why

So they don't want to be beside you and won't say why? Surely that is not your problem but theirs

is_that_so · 03-07-2021 09:26AM

newboard wrote: »

They won't say why

Could be the 14 days after which you're considered fully protected with Pfizer or Moderna. Not a reason to fall out with someone though.

CruelSummer · 03-07-2021 09:33AM

I think it’s a fair point being made re risks from AstraZeneca for under 30s versus clot risk for this age group. Especially given the case fatality ratio of delta in U.K.

crooked cockney villain · 03-07-2021 09:36AM

JPup wrote: »

How do you mean? Why would it be a waste. One dose of J&J gives similar levels of protection to the other vaccines from serious disease, especially if you’ve already had Covid.

It would be a waste because people who have had Covid already only need one more vaccine.

So if I, who had Covid, am given a J&J, it's a waste. I should be given a single Pfizer/ AZ, and let the one shot vaccine be given to someone who has never had Covid.

Nobody has yet stated that there is a system in place to prevent this wastage, thus it is highly likely thousands of J&J jabs will be given to people who don't need them.

I wouldn't expect anything less off this government.

xredmanlfcx · 03-07-2021 09:42AM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

If you were under 35 and had a choice between J&J or Pfizer in the same week which would you pick?

J&J.

km79 · 03-07-2021 09:45AM

newboard wrote: »

Vaccined this morning, a co-worker said that if I'm getting vaccined they don't want to work in the same place as me for 2 weeks but won't say why, any ideas?

I’d be more worried about working beside them if this is the way they think !
Do they wear a tinfoil hat .......

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 09:57AM

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

It would be a waste because people who have had Covid already only need one more vaccine.

So if I, who had Covid, am given a J&J, it's a waste. I should be given a single Pfizer/ AZ, and let the one shot vaccine be given to someone who has never had Covid.

Nobody has yet stated that there is a system in place to prevent this wastage, thus it is highly likely thousands of J&J jabs will be given to people who don't need them.

I wouldn't expect anything less off this government.

Your first point is valid re only needing one AZ/Pfizer/Moderna and there currently isn't a system in place that I have seen

Using J&J as the "one dose" isn't really an issue tbh, efficacy levels are similar for one dose of JJ/AZ etc

Vicxas · 03-07-2021 10:00AM

Boots cancelled my wifes appointment but not mine.

Wonder what the criteria is.

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 10:02AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Boots cancelled my wifes appointment but not mine.

Wonder what the criteria is.

I would say availability is the biggest issue unless your over 34. Did you both register at same time?

Vicxas · 03-07-2021 10:05AM

duffman13 wrote: »

I would say availability is the biggest issue unless your over 34. Did you both register at same time?

Yeah, i registered first and then my wife 10 mins later.

Lumen · 03-07-2021 10:07AM

john_doe. wrote: »

Personally I've taken it , first dose Pfizer. Not certain I'll take 2nd dose as apparently I'm 62% now and quite fit and healthy so risk should be well reduced from effects of actual Covid. Also wife had it and I never got it which was weird.

Do whatever you like, but one dose of Pfizer isn't very effective against the Delta variant, and a single dose isn't sufficient to avoid testing for travel, which is both inconvenient and risks derailing travel plans if you test positive a couple of days before a trip.

john_doe. · 03-07-2021 10:11AM

Lumen wrote: »

Do whatever you like, but one dose of Pfizer isn't very effective against the Delta variant, and a single dose isn't sufficient to avoid testing for travel, which is both inconvenient and risks derailing travel plans if you test positive a couple of days before a trip.

“The case-fatality rate for Delta (0.3%) at this time appears to be lower than that for Alpha (2%)". Per Cillian De Gascun.

No issues not traveling.

robinbird · 03-07-2021 10:12AM

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

They're rushing to get the vaccine because the government have told them we will keep you under house arrest until you take it. It is a rushed vaccine that has caused deaths in women who were at little to no risk of dying of Covid, whether you like it or not. Women are taking the risk of it because they can't handle living like this any more.

Of course they are. If the narrative was that this was nearly over and taking a vaccine was a personal choice then uptake would be much lower.

Instead scare stories about the coming Delta Monster have been followed by threats that anyone who doesn't take vaccine will be banned from pubs and restaurants indefinitely followed by announcement of u turn to allow 20s to take vaccine. Vaccine passport requirement for EU travel is another incentive

I know of several people who a few months ago said they would not be taking vaccine have now abandoned their principles and changed their mind.
I think that govt has no intention of implementing ban on those unvaccinated for pubs and restaurants when they are reopened. It was announced with the sole purpose of "encouraging" 20's to get vaccine over next few weeks.

crooked cockney villain · 03-07-2021 10:14AM

duffman13 wrote: »

Your first point is valid re only needing one AZ/Pfizer/Moderna and there currently isn't a system in place that I have seen

Using J&J as the "one dose" isn't really an issue tbh, efficacy levels are similar for one dose of JJ/AZ etc

But it is an issue.

If I am forced to take a J&J instead of an AZ/ Pfizer, I'm depriving it off a person who should be taking it as a single dose. I've default had my first dose, my second should only be Pfizer/ AZ, not a J&J.

It is, again, staggering wastage and incompetence in the most comically badly run country in Western Europe.

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 10:19AM

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

But it is an issue.

If I am forced to take a J&J instead of an AZ/ Pfizer, I'm depriving it off a person who should be taking it as a single dose. I've default had my first dose, my second should only be Pfizer/ AZ, not a J&J.

It is, again, staggering wastage and incompetence in the most comically badly run country in Western Europe.

Your not forced to take any vaccine though, J&J and AZ are opt ins. You are deciding to take it, personal responsibility on that decision. Fundamentally though, if you only need one dose, I'd agree it's a waste to give you a 2nd AZ/Pfizer/Moderna vaccine.

From a health perspective though, you'd get a similar immune response after one dose of the above and including J&J.

Lumen · 03-07-2021 10:20AM

john_doe. wrote: »

“The case-fatality rate for Delta (0.3%) at this time appears to be lower than that for Alpha (2%)". Per Cillian De Gascun

Yeah, because most of the highest risk people are vaccinated.

Look, do whatever you like. Judging by the last few posts the antivax regulars are piling back in, so I'm out.

duffman13 · 03-07-2021 10:21AM

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

The Government better be hoping the two or three young girls who die of this die towards the tail end of the campaign.

If they die early and it is widely broadcast the campaign could hit the skids.

Young women being forced into taking a potentially dangerous vaccine to protect them against a virus that poses no threat to them, or they won't be allowed into a pub until next year. A sick society.

Ah right, I see where your going here. Again, no one is forced to take anything and informed consent is required should they elect to take a JJ/AZ vaccine. Personal responsibility when given the facts, seems like a fair society to me. If the same people decided to wait, they'll get Pfizer/Moderna by August

03-07-2021 10:25AM

No issue with people questioning it at all, my issue is a lot of posters clearly have an agenda “I’m not anti vax but vaccines give kids autism and my child is now wheel chair bound because of the vaccine”.

I got mine and the truth is we don’t know the long term effects, that is true of any vaccine or medicine though, they are tested for a period of time before being rolled out, this one has been much faster for obvious reasons.

What’s the definition of long term though for those who are cautious? 2 years, 10,20,50? Where I had doubts i just kept thinking who do I trust more, some of the worlds greatest minds or a group on Facebook telling us we were going to be a signal for three mobile.

Charles Babbage · 03-07-2021 10:30AM

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

The Government better be hoping the two or three young girls who die of this die towards the tail end of the campaign.

If they die early and it is widely broadcast the campaign could hit the skids.

Young women being forced into taking a potentially dangerous vaccine to protect them against a virus that poses no threat to them, or they won't be allowed into a pub until next year. A sick society.

Most of the things young women drink in pubs are clearly more dangerous than the vaccine.

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