Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

RobertKK wrote: »

I am happy we did.

So am I happy from a Green Jersey perspective but if I was an Indian or Brazilian I'd be fairly pissed reading the news that the likes of Ireland or Denmark are getting to skip the queue by opening the chequebook when both countries have seen the same amount of deaths since the very beginning as the likes of Brazil or India is experiencing Daily!

We are lucky we are living in a country with such a economically illiterate Govt and robust economy (tax haven) to support the sort of absolutely crazy measures we have seen here since the start compared to other countries where Covid has caused immense serious hardship wheras for Ireland it has given alot of people a huge bonus in terms of free printed money for not working, public and civil servants of full pay at home for a year and a hald. Alot of whome haven't done a tap since Covid and everyone are hiding behind covid because the pandemic suits them better to do nothing at work.

I think there should be a system of subs where eg. if Romania didn't use its allocation then they would go to countries struggling to vaccinate like African nations and South America. Australia has no-one vaccinated hardly and is now reaping the rewards of their crazy zero-covid approach and the variants rips through them and they thought to pull up the drawbridge forever would work lol.

theguzman wrote: »

So am I happy from a Green Jersey perspective but if I was an Indian or Brazilian I'd be fairly pissed reading the news that the likes of Ireland or Denmark are getting to skip the queue by opening the chequebook when both countries have seen the same amount of deaths since the very beginning as the likes of Brazil or India is experiencing Daily!

We are lucky we are living in a country with such a economically illiterate Govt and robust economy (tax haven) to support the sort of absolutely crazy measures we have seen here since the start compared to other countries where Covid has caused immense serious hardship wheras for Ireland it has given alot of people a huge bonus in terms of free printed money for not working, public and civil servants of full pay at home for a year and a hald. Alot of whome haven't done a tap since Covid and everyone are hiding behind covid because the pandemic suits them better to do nothing at work.

I think there should be a system of subs where eg. if Romania didn't use its allocation then they would go to countries struggling to vaccinate like African nations and South America. Australia has no-one vaccinated hardly and is now reaping the rewards of their crazy zero-covid approach and the variants rips through them and they thought to pull up the drawbridge forever would work lol.

If we didn't but them there would be a mob asking questions and slating the government for not buying them.

Cork2021 wrote: »

What in the name of god are the examiner at. An anti vaxxers wet dream headline! And just as it’s opening up to that age group as well

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1411025266349019138?s=21

Clear example of a suspect headline. Having a clot does not necessarily kill you and since the association between clots and AZ is now known and so it is much less likely to kill than in the early days. There was a Professor on the radio during the week describing how they now have a specific test for this type of clot which people can get quickly enough to stop any damage.

Having Covid can give you other problems other than death of course.

theguzman wrote: »

So am I happy from a Green Jersey perspective but if I was an Indian or Brazilian I'd be fairly pissed reading the news that the likes of Ireland or Denmark are getting to skip the queue by opening the chequebook when both countries have seen the same amount of deaths since the very beginning as the likes of Brazil or India is experiencing Daily!

We are lucky we are living in a country with such a economically illiterate Govt and robust economy (tax haven) to support the sort of absolutely crazy measures we have seen here since the start compared to other countries where Covid has caused immense serious hardship wheras for Ireland it has given alot of people a huge bonus in terms of free printed money for not working, public and civil servants of full pay at home for a year and a hald. Alot of whome haven't done a tap since Covid and everyone are hiding behind covid because the pandemic suits them better to do nothing at work.

I think there should be a system of subs where eg. if Romania didn't use its allocation then they would go to countries struggling to vaccinate like African nations and South America. Australia has no-one vaccinated hardly and is now reaping the rewards of their crazy zero-covid approach and the variants rips through them and they thought to pull up the drawbridge forever would work lol.

India was exporting vaccines to places like the UK before they stopped exporting.
Brazil went for Chinese vaccines before getting more like Pfizer as people don't trust the Chinese vaccines.
These governments could have done better.

Woody79 wrote: »

“The case-fatality rate for Delta (0.3%) at this time appears to be lower than that for Alpha (2%)". Per Cillian De Gascun


Vaccine effectiveness or weaker strain or both?

Vaccine effectiveness in older and at risk groups who have gotten the vaccines now since March-April, the median age of infections is 25 now so it is primarily spreading and infecting people who are younger, stronger and far better able to fight the virus. Ireland is very close to pushing this into the background entirely and the response of the youth to get vaccinated is heartening and they are by and large not anti-vaxx, it is middle aged grumpy karens and mainly English 5G nutcases with a phd in the facebook school of lies and misinformation that are refusing the vaccine.

duffman13 wrote: »

12 hours later replying, crazy day! No heads up, expecting an update operationally from the union/HSE today at some point but it was in the news 3 hours before we got official confirmation.

A day back and forth working on supplies has been fun. But excited to get going next week

Expected deliveries is 50 per pharmacy per week for the next few weeks. 400 on most waiting lists at this but it's still an extra 40,000 vaccines administered per week

Yeah better than nothing for sure, sounds like an absolutely mental day.

I'd say people would be better off applying on the portal too

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah better than nothing for sure, sounds like an absolutely mental day.

I'd say people would be better off applying on the portal too

I'd be doing that if I was in the 30-34 when that opens.

Biggest issue is I've seen the same names in multiple stores in the booking system and id imagine these people registered in multiple chains/pharmacies so the no show rate might be worrying. Still given the interest, I can't see a wasted vaccine in pharmacy over the next 3 weeks at least

Mr.S wrote: »

People need to to understand that just because they can now administer from Monday, it’s going to take weeks and weeks, it won’t be over any time soon.

Patience and you’ll get it over the next few weeks / 2 months.

2 months

That's what makes it ludicrous for Stephen Donnelly to just randomly announce this morning that about a million people can ring or turn up at pharmacies/chemists today to register for a vaccine.

Woody79 wrote: »

Why then is a person who is double dosed with a vaccine (AZ or MRNA) more likely to get infected with Delta (79% protection) than Alpha (89% protection), but less likely to be hospitalised with Delta (96% protection) than Alpha (93% protection)?

Table 4. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease for Alpha and Delta variants

Vaccine Status Vaccine Effectiveness


Dose 1 Alpha 49 (46 to 52) Delta 35 (32 to 38)
Dose 2 Alpha 89 (87 to 90) Delta 79 (78 to 80

Table 5. Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation for Alpha and Delta variants

Vaccine Status Vaccine Effectiveness

Dose 1 Alpha 78 (64 to 87) Delta 80 (69 to 88)
Dose 2 Alpha 93 (80 to 97)Delta 96 (91 to 98)






Virus more infectious but less deadly.

As we know covid spreads from the most socially active age groups (younger group) and finds it's way up to the older and more vulnerable. Most heat maps show this.

The data around Alpha was taken during the Xmas wave when the majority of vaccines were given to the old and vulnerable so the vaccine efficiency was taken from this.
This new Delta wave is currently circulating in the young age groups, so the efficacy being recorded is based on young and healthy vaccinated people.
It's comparing apples to oranges.

Woody79 wrote: »

Garbage above.

Your just talking.

So you don't think younger people have a higher immune response to a vaccine vs an old and vulnerable person?

We have been told so many times not to compare vaccine trials from different manufacturers that are run in different countries, at different times on different demographics.

But comparing the efficacy of a vaccine in an older demographic can be directly compared to the same vaccine in a younger group?

Tyrone212 wrote: »

If you were under 35 and had a choice between J&J or Pfizer in the same week which would you pick?

J&J now, then likely get Mrna booster in October