Anyone not getting the vaccine?

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:29pm

Sofa King Great wrote: »

But why did you pick autism? Autism has been incorrectly and maliciously linked to other vaccines over the years which leads me to believe you are being misled by misinformation

Oh I just picked an example of something which doesn't really show signs until later in the baby's life. I think it's around 1ish it can be diagnosed? I'm assuming deformaties for example has been ruled out because surely enough time has elapsed for that.

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 7:31pm

Lyle wrote: »

oh ffs

Beasty, for the love of god, please put this thread out of its misery.

Ostrich syndrome on display here, you asked for some proof of a hearing, you got it and now are in denial, fact is you could not have watched in in the time between posts , say it all really, you dont want to know , your mind is made up, sad way to live.

westdublin · 02-07-2021 7:31pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Not an anti-vaccine person but I am going to defer getting the covid vaccine until the clinical trials are over and the data published and reviewed, anyone else in the same boat?

Whats in the vaccines that is making you hesitant ?

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:33pm

quinneerr wrote: »

People testifying at hearings into vaccine side effects look convincing to me.
It would seem this part of boards is heavy pro covid vaccine and does not want any kind of debate on the risks, maybe most here are already vaccinated and dont want to acknowledge the doubts arising on a daily basis about the safety of these vaccines, maybe one day you will be open to debate, until then a i wish you all, vaccinated and unvaccinated good health

Sorry but could you just list all the doubts that are arising daily about these vaccines.
Not the doubts in your head but the peer reviewed medical doubts please and provide links if you can.

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:34pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Ostrich syndrome on display here, you asked for some proof of a hearing, you got it and now are in denial, fact is you could not have watched in in the time between posts , say it all really, you dont want to know , your mind is made up, sad way to live.

Sounds like your trying to convince yourself tbh.

grogi · 02-07-2021 7:34pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

The link between vaccines and autism in general has been thoroughly debunked, why do people still believe this?

Honestly, if you have concerns, talk to your doctor.

One cannot disregard the fact that there is a huge correlation. Autism develops at exactly same age that certain vaccines are administered. It is very easy to jump into the conclusion that it was a vaccine that did something to my baby, especially when one hears same all around. That's how our brain is working, it constantly looks for reasons and effects. It doesn't mean that such conclusion is correct, that there is a causation.

Of course, vaccines do have occasional side effects, Any active substance will have side effects. Only placebo doesn't, but there are risk with sole process of administering it (think infection from needle etc). But side effects worth mentioning are extremely rare.

It is also worth mentioning that, contrary to popular belief, big pharma is not making money on vaccines. It is much more profitable to let people get sick and keep selling them drugs than to make one and shut down the problem. They have no interest in vaccinations.

I really struggle to find a reason why experts would advocate for vaccinations while knowing they are not good.

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:36pm

grogi wrote: »

One cannot disregard the fact that there is a huge correlation. Autism develops at exactly same age that certain vaccines are administered. It is very easy to jump into the conclusion that it was a vaccine that did something to my baby, especially when one hears same all around. That's how our brain is working, it constantly looks for reasons and effects. It doesn't mean that such conclusion is correct, that there is a causation.

Of course, vaccines do have occasional side effects, Any active substance will have side effects. Only placebo doesn't, but there are risk with sole process of administering it (think infection from needle etc).

It is also worth mentioning that, contrary to popular belief, big pharma is not making money on vaccines. It is much more profitable to let people get sick and keep selling them drugs than to make one and shut down the problem. They have no interest in vaccinations.

I really struggle to find a reason why experts would advocate for vaccinations while knowing they are not good.

I wonder is autism non existent in kids that don’t get vaccines?

Lyle · 02-07-2021 7:36pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Ostrich syndrome on display here, you asked for some proof of a hearing, you got it and now are in denial, fact is you could not have watched in in the time between posts , say it all really, you dont want to know , your mind is made up, sad way to live.

My mind is made up because I can read medical journals, the UK Yellow Card system, the CDC VAERS system that all report on vaccine efficacy and side effects. These are robust, comprehensive studies by professionals. Not some quackery out of the mouth of a dope that you're pushing here. Give us some peer reviewed examples, or something from the incident reporting systems, then we can have a respectful discussion.

L1011 · 02-07-2021 7:36pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Ostrich syndrome on display here, you asked for some proof of a hearing, you got it and now are in denial, fact is you could not have watched in in the time between posts , say it all really, you dont want to know , your mind is made up, sad way to live.

A video on a site known for decades for dangerous misinformation is not "proof"

Please put your pre-prepared pack of memes and links away.

myfreespirit · 02-07-2021 7:37pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Mother weeps as she tells senator how Pfizer shot left her daughter wheelchair-bound.
Read it and watch the video and then tell me its does not give you some concern
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-weeps-as-she-tells-senator-how-pfizer-shot-left-her-daughter-wheelchair-bound

The source you are using is highly unusual.
In their 'About' section, we read: "LifeSiteNews.com understands that abortion, euthanasia, cloning, homosexuality and all other moral, life and family issues are all interconnected in an international conflict affecting all nations, even at the most local levels. "

I stopped reading at that.

02-07-2021 7:37pm

tom1ie wrote: »

I wonder is autism non existent in kids that don’t get vaccines?

No but their 5G reception isn't as good as the vaccinated ones

Iscreamkone · 02-07-2021 7:37pm

Vaccines cause old age… hopefully!

Das Reich · 02-07-2021 7:38pm

Going to do only to avoid hassle when travelling. But personally I have no risk of getting covid and not affraid of it.

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:39pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

Yes, silly little Ireland for trusting actual medical evidence over a feeling that the rollout is 'forced.' There is a sense of urgency around the rollout for obvious reasons.

I know many women in their 20s/30s (I am one myself) and all of them are keen to get the vaccine.

I think it's a sign of a well educated population actually. But you call us sheep all you want if it makes you feel good.

See why the attack? Why is everyone so keen to slate people who are just a bit hesitant because it has been rushed? I haven't slated anyone. I haven't advised anyone not to do anything. I answered a question honestly and instead of someone at least trying to see from my perspective, people are just slating them like they're flat earthers or anti vax altogether.

How likely is it that my mind will be changed? God sake there is a list the length of my leg of ways medical people failed us in the past. Any pro vax person, if they really feel strongly about this, needs to learn how to help hesitant people and it doesn't start with slating them.

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:40pm

Das Reich wrote: »

Going to do only to avoid hassle when travelling. But personally I have no risk of getting covid and not affraid of it.

That’s grand but you do know u could spread it?
The vaccine reduces transmission so u will be helping out by getting the vaccine. Good man.

Smee_Again · 02-07-2021 7:41pm

TP_CM wrote: »

See why the attack? Why is everyone so keen to slate people who are just a bit hesitant because it has been rushed? I haven't slated anyone. I haven't advised anyone not to do anything. I answered a question honestly and instead of someone at least trying to see from my perspective, people are just slating them like they're flat earthers or anti vax altogether.

How likely is it that my mind will be changed? God sake there is a list the length of my leg of ways medical people failed us in the past. Any pro vax person, if they really feel strongly about this, needs to learn how to help hesitant people and it doesn't start with slating them.

Because you’re posting nonsense.

Vaccines don’t cause autism.

These vaccines haven’t been rushed.

lee_baby_simms · 02-07-2021 7:46pm

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

I personally wouldn’t be comfortable with these odds.

AZ would prevent 10 but cause 21 deaths in that study.

grogi · 02-07-2021 7:46pm

tom1ie wrote: »

I wonder is autism non existent in kids that don’t get vaccines?

The problem with establishing it is that there are very few of such children you can compare to. If they don't get vaccinated - typically because of deep distrust of the parents towards health system - they are very unlikely to get properly diagnosed with autism too. There are also ethical concerns in designing experiments that would help to establish this relationship (exp. should we deny "state of the art" medication to certain group of children when we know that a vaccine is most effective when given at given age etc.)

02-07-2021 7:47pm

TP_CM wrote: »

See why the attack? Why is everyone so keen to slate people who are just a bit hesitant because it has been rushed? I haven't slated anyone. I haven't advised anyone not to do anything. I answered a question honestly and instead of someone at least trying to see from my perspective, people are just slating them like they're flat earthers or anti vax altogether.

How likely is it that my mind will be changed? God sake there is a list the length of my leg of ways medical people failed us in the past. Any pro vax person, if they really feel strongly about this, needs to learn how to help hesitant people and it doesn't start with slating them.

You called the Irish people sheep, also inferring that people who are in favour of the vaccine are sheep. This is an insult. And your hesitancy is based on a 'feeling'.

I don't expect to be able to convince you of anything. It's hard to reason with people who base important medical decisions on feelings rather than verifiable evidence or expert opinion.

Lyle · 02-07-2021 7:49pm

TP_CM wrote: »

See why the attack? Why is everyone so keen to slate people who are just a bit hesitant because it has been rushed? I haven't slated anyone. I haven't advised anyone not to do anything. I answered a question honestly and instead of someone at least trying to see from my perspective, people are just slating them like they're flat earthers or anti vax altogether.

How likely is it that my mind will be changed? God sake there is a list the length of my leg of ways medical people failed us in the past. Any pro vax person, if they really feel strongly about this, needs to learn how to help hesitant people and it doesn't start with slating them.

The autism thing touches a nerve, lad. It's like a calling card for uneducated discussion because the paper on the MMR that has caused rampant vaccination skepticism has been thoroughly and unquestionably debunked as total and utter bull****.

Also, don't come to a place like Boards to have your mind changed; talk to doctors. Talk to several of them if you feel you might be getting an overly pro-vaccine response from the first one or two. If there was something in these jabs that played havok with female fertility, with all the scrutiny they're under, it would've come out. Look how quickly the issues around clotting in adenovirus vector vaccines and myocarditis and pericarditis in mRNA vaccines were caught. There is screening for this stuff going on constantly. By all means, wait a full calendar year before getting the vaccine if it makes ye comfortable about your missus being alright but don't rule it out entirely.

02-07-2021 7:49pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Mother weeps as she tells senator how Pfizer shot left her daughter wheelchair-bound.
Read it and watch the video and then tell me its does not give you some concern
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-weeps-as-she-tells-senator-how-pfizer-shot-left-her-daughter-wheelchair-bound

Show me the data. Not a sob story. How does the mum know the vaccine caused her to be wheelchair bound?

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:50pm

grogi wrote: »

The problem with establishing it is that there are very few of such children you can compare to. If they don't get vaccinated - typically because of deep distrust of the parents towards health system - they are very unlikely to get properly diagnosed with autism too.

It was kind of a tongue in cheek comment.
Vaccines don’t cause autism even though some people like to say they do.

pjohnson · 02-07-2021 7:50pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Mother weeps as she tells senator how Pfizer shot left her daughter wheelchair-bound.
Read it and watch the video and then tell me its does not give you some concern
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-weeps-as-she-tells-senator-how-pfizer-shot-left-her-daughter-wheelchair-bound

How many more anti-vax tropes will we see before thread is nuked?

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:51pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

You called the Irish people sheep, also inferring that people who are in favour of the vaccine are sheep. This is an insult. And your hesitancy is based on a 'feeling'.

I don't expect to be able to convince you of anything. It's hard to reason with people who base important medical decisions on feelings rather than verifiable evidence or expert opinion.

Did you see the bit where I said I was probably going to get the vaccination? Or have you just categorically decided I'm an absolute moron because I have a hesitation.

How can anyone be so sure without enough time elapsing? Like how did you reach the conclusion that this vaccine doesn't have any effect on babies if hardly any have been born to parents who took the vaccine? Genuine question, because I'm not arguing a point here I'm trying to get information.

lee_baby_simms · 02-07-2021 7:51pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Stupid headline. Clot risks compared to death risk is massively inaccurate.

Did you read it? 21 deaths from clotting vs 10 deaths from Covid.

maxamillius · 02-07-2021 7:52pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Vaccine reduces transmission?
Is that not a good reason?

I can still transmit it though?!

pjohnson · 02-07-2021 7:53pm

TP_CM wrote: »

See why the attack? Why is everyone so keen to slate people who are just a bit hesitant because it has been rushed? I haven't slated anyone. I haven't advised anyone not to do anything. I answered a question honestly and instead of someone at least trying to see from my perspective, people are just slating them like they're flat earthers or anti vax altogether.

How likely is it that my mind will be changed? God sake there is a list the length of my leg of ways medical people failed us in the past. Any pro vax person, if they really feel strongly about this, needs to learn how to help hesitant people and it doesn't start with slating them.

There are millions of actual relevant help available to explain vaccines to anyone hesitant.

The problem is "hesitant" people seem to trust the one grammatically shot lunatic story on some spammy blog ahead of the 1,000,000 actual experts.

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:54pm

pjohnson wrote: »

How many more anti-vax tropes will we see before thread is nuked?

I hope it stays open so that I get a few links to share with my wife. We are genuinely trying to learn. We are pro vax. We just don't trust the media or the government at the moment.

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:54pm

TP_CM wrote: »

Did you see the bit where I said I was probably going to get the vaccination? Or have you just categorically decided I'm an absolute moron because I have a hesitation.

How can anyone be so sure without enough time elapsing? Like how did you reach the conclusion that this vaccine doesn't have any effect on babies if hardly any have been born to parents who took the vaccine? Genuine question, because I'm not arguing a point here I'm trying to get information.

I’d be more worried about diesel fumes, hormones pumped into meat and Teflon coated frying pans than I would any of these vaccines.

hkjohn · 02-07-2021 7:55pm

The reason why these people bang on about Autism is that it was the favored topic of struck off UK doctor and King of the Covidiots, Andrew Wakefield

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:55pm

maxamillius wrote: »

I can still transmit it though?!

The rate of Transmission is reduced dramatically by taking the vaccine hence you are helping society as opposed to just yourself.

02-07-2021 7:56pm

TP_CM wrote: »

Did you see the bit where I said I was probably going to get the vaccination? Or have you just categorically decided I'm an absolute moron because I have a hesitation.

How can anyone be so sure without enough time elapsing? Like how did you reach the conclusion that this vaccine doesn't have any effect on babies if hardly any have been born to parents who took the vaccine? Genuine question, because I'm not arguing a point here I'm trying to get information.

You may as well be asking "how do you know the vaccine won't give me a third ear?"

There is absolutely no reason to believe a covid vaccine will have any negative impact on a baby that hasn't even been conceived yet. It's a worry with no basis.

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:57pm

hkjohn wrote: »

The reason why these people bang on about Autism is that it was the favored topic of struck off UK doctor and King of the Covidiots, Andrew Wakefield

Yes.
That guy has a lot to answer for.
Hard to believe there are so many people willing to listen to that dangerous lunatic.

Iscreamkone · 02-07-2021 7:57pm

Could you imagine the carnage if the whole country decided not to take any Covid vaccines?

It’s a free country and people can make their own personal decisions, but I’d make it difficult for those who won’t get vaccinated by insisting that they need testing wherever they go. Shops, restaurants, universities etc.

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:57pm

hkjohn wrote: »

The reason why these people bang on about Autism is that it was the favored topic of struck off UK doctor and King of the Covidiots, Andrew Wakefield

I just mentioned it because it's something which doesn't typically present itself until later. I don't know anything about previous cases or what you're talking about and I haven't been looking at any looney bins going on about it. I'm basically talking about anything which can't be diagnosed during pregnancy because I'm assuming all of those issues have had enough time to present themselves

Lyle · 02-07-2021 7:57pm

tom1ie wrote: »

The rate of Transmission is reduced dramatically by taking the vaccine hence you are helping society as opposed to just yourself.

Yep, looking increasingly like this is the case. Transmission will be dented by high vaccine uptake.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-07-2021 7:58pm

I will be taking it myself but have no problem with those who don't and crucially dont try force their views on others.

Their body, their choice

pjohnson · 02-07-2021 7:58pm

hkjohn wrote: »

The reason why these people bang on about Autism is that it was the favored topic of struck off UK doctor and King of the Covidiots, Andrew Wakefield

The patron saint of both those preaching "I'm not an anti-vaxxer but" AND the admitted anti-vaxxer.

Bicyclette · 02-07-2021 7:59pm

tom1ie wrote: »

I wonder is autism non existent in kids that don’t get vaccines?

With hindsight my Dad and his father both had Aspergers, as has my son.

We only copped about my late father when we were describing him to my daughter one day (he died before she was born) and she said "thats exactly the way X (my son) is. And she was right. And my grandfather certainly had characteristics as well.

My grandfather was born in the 1870s. Probably had the smallpox vaccination. My Dad, the 1920s, he had the smallpox vaccine. My son has had every vaccine going including his first Pfizer.

Just because autism wasn't labelled or diagnosed readily in past times, didn't mean that it didn't exist. It did.

And even if vaccines caused autism, which they don't, because it is genetic, then I'd still prefer to have my wonderful quirky son alive and autistic than dead from a preventable disease but not autistic.

For any of you who still doubt the benefits of vaccines, then go onto www.irishgenealogy.ie and look at the deaths of people in the 1880s and onwards. We lost so many of our family to TB (vaccine currently available) including my great grandfather aged 35 in the 1890s and uncle aged 26 in the 1940s. You will see deaths from meningitis (vaccine currently available) including my grand uncle. And flu (a great great grandfather, a great grand uncle and even in the last few years a youngish family member).

Vaccines don't kill. Autism doesn't kill. Preventable diseases do.

02-07-2021 8:00pm

I lived in a country where, in general, they were anti-vax, everything!
Didn't trust vaccines, had hundreds of stories about side affects etc.......
There was an outbreak of measles when I was there, around 15 kids died, if I rem right. FFS.

02-07-2021 8:00pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Not an anti-vaccine person but I am going to defer getting the covid vaccine until the clinical trials are over and the data published and reviewed, anyone else in the same boat?

Each to their own. I had reservations, but decided to go ahead and get the jab as we need to try and get back to normal again.

Deeper Blue · 02-07-2021 8:00pm

More disgusting anti-vaxx rubbish from someone claiming they're not anti-vaxx. Quelle surprise.

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 8:01pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I will be taking it myself but have no problem with those who don't and crucially dont try force their views on others.

Their body, their choice

And their choice means covid continues circulating and we continue with restrictions.
Still happy with that?

02-07-2021 8:02pm

TP_CM wrote: »

I hope it stays open so that I get a few links to share with my wife. We are genuinely trying to learn. We are pro vax. We just don't trust the media or the government at the moment.

Ok, so let's get to the root of this distrust. Do you think the government is actually trying to cause you harm, and if so why would that be in their interest?

I have major issues with this government. They have failed young people in particular by facilitating a housing crisis. But I can separate that from the scientists who developed the vaccines, what they have done is nothing short of amazing.

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 8:02pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

You may as well be asking "how do you know the vaccine won't give me a third ear?"

There is absolutely no reason to believe a covid vaccine will have any negative impact on a baby that hasn't even been conceived yet. It's a worry with no basis.

Well we know it won't give me a third ear because enough people have taken it and have not grown a 3rd ear. And I even know that the baby won't grow a 3rd ear because they'd see that during pregnancies! Literally my only hesitation is about things which present themselves after the baby is born. I'm assuming everything prior to that point has had enough time to be found.

Del.Monte · 02-07-2021 8:03pm

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Could you imagine the carnage if the whole country decided not to take any Covid vaccines?

It’s a free country and people can make their own personal decisions, but I’d make it difficult for those who won’t get vaccinated by insisting that they need testing wherever they go. Shops, restaurants, universities etc.

I was about to respond that we should go the full hog and make them wear the Star of David too when I see this absolute cretin already came up with that: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40325321.html

02-07-2021 8:04pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I will be taking it myself but have no problem with those who don't and crucially dont try force their views on others.

Their body, their choice

Their choice not to take the vaccine, everyone else choice to understand what idiots they are

shocksy · 02-07-2021 8:06pm

I won't be taking it at all, and alot of people in my age cohort that I know are also rejecting it. I think the numbers of uptake will drop soon, especially as we get to the younger cohorts because from everything I'm seeing and hearing online and in person there is alot of younger people not gonna bother with it, myself included. I'll happily get a PCR test when I need to travel. However, no long term trials completed means no chemical junk is going in my arm.

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 8:08pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

Ok, so let's get to the root of this distrust. Do you think the government is actually trying to cause you harm, and if so why would that be in their interest?

I have major issues with this government. They have failed young people in particular by facilitating a housing crisis. But I can separate that from the scientists who developed the vaccines, what they have done is nothing short of amazing.

No I don't think they're out to harm us. It just feels like they haven't spent enough time talking through some specific hesitations which people have. Like my example. I think it would be better if they acknowledged it and told me exactly why vaccinations can have zero effects on babies. It's a real concern for a lot of parents thinking about conceiving in the next few months. But instead, I'm told that unless I'm vaccinated I won't be allowed to travel or eat indoors. Fair enough but not the kind of help I need here with my concern.

If the medical trials have gone that far or even if this vaccine is basically the exact same as a previous ones which have been trialled for that long, that would at least be more helpful than just telling me 'It's ok, just take it'.

Iscreamkone · 02-07-2021 8:08pm

shocksy wrote: »

I won't be taking it at all, and alot of people in my age cohort that I know are also rejecting it. I think the numbers will drop soon as we get to the younger cohorts, from everything I'm seeing and hearing online and in person there is alot of younger people not gonna bother with it, myself included. I'll happily get PCR test when I need yo travel, but no untested long term chemical junk is going in my arm.

And if you need a PCR test every few days just to go to work?

Anyone not getting the vaccine?

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