Anyone not getting the vaccine?

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 6:38pm #1

Not an anti-vaccine person but I am going to defer getting the covid vaccine until the clinical trials are over and the data published and reviewed, anyone else in the same boat?

Arturo Delgado · 02-07-2021 6:41pm

You just get abused here, and in fairness, anywhere else if you are vaccine hesitant. I personally would wait until or if the Novavax one gets approved. But that's just me.

L1011 · 02-07-2021 6:42pm

There have never been vaccines with more review of their trials and data than these.

Lyle · 02-07-2021 6:47pm

I'm waiting on that sweet, sweet €150 incentive

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 6:47pm

I have had several vaccines in my life, but not the covid one, too many unknowns and daily reports of nasty reactions and deaths, plenty of experts are now speaking out about it, including the inventor of the mRNA vaccine, so why are people so quick to get it knowing the history of the vaccines makers, not very ethical to say the least.

Alf Veedersane · 02-07-2021 6:48pm

quinneerr wrote: »

I have had several vaccines in my life, but not the covid one, too many unknowns and daily reports of nasty reactions and deaths, plenty of experts are now speaking out about it, including the inventor of the mRNA vaccine, so why are people so quick to get it knowing the history of the vaccines makers, not very ethical to say the least.

Malone wasn't the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

maxamillius · 02-07-2021 6:48pm

Fairly hesitant myself, not anti vax, just hesitant. I’m yet to find a solid reason as to why I should get it, doesn’t prevent me catching or spreading covid.

If it wasn’t for the whole travel thing I probably wouldn’t get it.

Ficheall · 02-07-2021 6:50pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Not an anti-vaccine person but I am going to "defer" getting the covid vaccine until everyone else has taken the slight risk associated with the vaccine to nullify my risk of being infected with covid

FYP

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 6:53pm

L1011 wrote: »

There have never been vaccines with more review of their trials and data than these.

Have you seen the videos of reactions?
Have you seen the videos of people testifying months later of the life changing reactions they have had and continue to suffer?
Curious as to why people trust J&J, Pfizer and Moderna, a few minutes searching will show you the out come of these 3 pushing dangerous products on the public, would it not be wise to wait until the clinical trials are over , and then make a informed decision?

L1011 · 02-07-2021 6:58pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Have you seen the videos of reactions?
Have you seen the videos of people testifying months later of the life changing reactions they have had and continue to suffer?
Curious as to why people trust J&J, Pfizer and Moderna, a few minutes searching will show you the out come of these 3 pushing dangerous products on the public, would it not be wise to wait until the clinical trials are over , and then make a informed decision?

Claim not to be anti vaccine, within one further post you go to antivax tropes.

You will never made an "informed decision" if you think youtube is a valid place to get medical advice.

Sleeper12 · 02-07-2021 7:00pm

Arturo Delgado wrote:

You just get abused here, and in fairness, anywhere else if you are vaccine hesitant. I personally would wait until or if the Novavax one gets approved. But that's just me.

I disagree. Nothing wrong with being vaccine hesitant. I have no time for when people post made up anti valentines information but I think it's perfectly reasonable to be scared or hesitant.

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 7:00pm

Ficheall wrote: »

FYP

Grave yards are full of heroes.

Why get an experimental vaccine with ZERO knowledge of the medium to long term effects for a virus that in reality wont effect 99% of the population?
This is what has me puzzled, risking your health when you know the history of these type of companies in the pursuit of profit.

myfreespirit · 02-07-2021 7:01pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Have you seen the videos of reactions?
Have you seen the videos of people testifying months later of the life changing reactions they have had and continue to suffer?
Curious as to why people trust J&J, Pfizer and Moderna, a few minutes searching will show you the out come of these 3 pushing dangerous products on the public, would it not be wise to wait until the clinical trials are over , and then make a informed decision?

1. Do you have clear evidence of a causal relationship between the perceived "reactions" suffered by the subjects in those videos and the vaccine dose in question?

2. Is there any evidence that the person (in the videos) who suffered the reaction to the vaccine, notified the responsible medicines authorisation body, e.g. EMA, MHRA, about the reactions? If so, what has the authorising body done about this?

Taking videos posted on the internet at face value is, ahem, rather naive IMO.

humberklog · 02-07-2021 7:03pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I disagree. Nothing wrong with being vaccine hesitant. I have no time for when people post made up anti valentines information but I think it's perfectly reasonable to be scared or hesitant.

They've no love in their hearts.

km991148 · 02-07-2021 7:04pm

quinneerr wrote: »

I'm not going to jump on anyone hesitant.. but what are these images supposed to represent?

The science behind smoking (for example) being bad was established pretty early on.. the marketeers just decided to ignore it..

I mean these are all examples of science that should have been trusted but were willfully ignored.

02-07-2021 7:05pm

maxamillius wrote: »

Fairly hesitant myself, not anti vax, just hesitant. I’m yet to find a solid reason as to why I should get it, doesn’t prevent me catching or spreading covid.

If it wasn’t for the whole travel thing I probably wouldn’t get it.

You won't need it for travel either. A negative test or if you've had and recovered from the virus in the past six months, then you're good to go.

Lumen · 02-07-2021 7:06pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Not an anti-vaccine person

Yes you are.

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 7:07pm

L1011 wrote: »

Claim not to be anti vaccine, within one further post you go to antivax tropes.

You will never made an "informed decision" if you think youtube is a valid place to get medical advice.

So asking questions on a vaccine in clinical trials passes for antivax around here?
I would think that is the sensible path to follow, and not behave like a lemming and jumping in with out knowing the consequences
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L1011 · 02-07-2021 7:08pm

quinneerr wrote: »

So asking questions on a vaccine in clinical trials passes for antivax around here?
I would think that is the sensible path to follow, and not behave like a lemming and jumping in with out knowing the consequences

You're not asking questions, though.

pjohnson · 02-07-2021 7:09pm

Lumen wrote: »

Yes you are.

The preprepared memes are a dead giveaway.

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 7:10pm

Lumen wrote: »

Yes you are.

I have had several vaccines, so if that makes me antivax, im perplexed as to what would make someone provax around here, just blindly shove anything into your body and hope for the best?

02-07-2021 7:11pm

Claiming not to be antivax is not credible with the misinformed nonsense you're posting.

Only anti-vaxxers (or extremely gullible people, though they're not mutually exclusive) would trust videos they found on YouTube as their primary source of medical information.

You have an agenda, stop playing innocent.

grogi · 02-07-2021 7:11pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Grave yards are full of heroes.

Why get an experimental vaccine with ZERO knowledge of the medium to long term effects for a virus that in reality wont effect 99% of the population?
This is what has me puzzled, risking your health when you know the history of these type of companies in the pursuit of profit.

There is something called 'State of the Art'. No credible scientists will ever claim they know everything and all claims are made according to our best knowledge at the moment.

Sure, sometime someone is wrong. Sometimes facts need corrections. Our knowledge expands and evolves, new things are discovered etc.

But does it mean you shouldn't trust science and do exactly opposite? In. No, in longer span of time following the science is better, even if it sometimes is wrong.

Current vaccines are , at this stage, very well tested. Results published in reviewed papers - and the scientific consensus is that it is much better to get one, anyone of those approved, than not to. No guarantees, but propability of severe complications from vaccine are much smaller than propability you'll get Covid and severe complications from it.

That's science. Not absolute truth, but best we can do at the moment.

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:13pm

We're pro vax but hesitant with this one because we're going for another kid and we haven't seen enough information around parents who had the vaccine pre-conception and the health of the baby after birth (autism etc). I will more than likely get it as soon as my part is done though. I'll fully support whatever the missus wants to do but from what I've heard so far she's going nowhere near it.

Wolf359f · 02-07-2021 7:16pm

quinneerr wrote: »

I have had several vaccines, so if that makes me antivax, im perplexed as to what would make someone provax around here, just blindly shove anything into your body and hope for the best?

Most antivaxxers would have been vaccinated as a child. Hard to say no to a vaccine when in diapers and haven't been brainwashed by YouTube yet.

Lyle · 02-07-2021 7:17pm

TP_CM wrote: »

We're pro vax but hesitant with this one because we're going for another kid and we haven't seen enough information around parents who had the vaccine pre-conception and the health of the baby after birth (autism etc). I will more than likely get it as soon as my part is done though. I'll fully support whatever the missus wants to do but from what I've heard so far she's going nowhere near it.

Vaccinations do not cause autism.

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 7:17pm

myfreespirit wrote: »

1. Do you have clear evidence of a causal relationship between the perceived "reactions" suffered by the subjects in those videos and the vaccine dose in question?

2. Is there any evidence that the person (in the videos) who suffered the reaction to the vaccine, notified the responsible medicines authorisation body, e.g. EMA, MHRA, about the reactions? If so, what has the authorising body done about this?

Taking videos posted on the internet at face value is, ahem, rather naive IMO.

People testifying at hearings into vaccine side effects look convincing to me.
It would seem this part of boards is heavy pro covid vaccine and does not want any kind of debate on the risks, maybe most here are already vaccinated and dont want to acknowledge the doubts arising on a daily basis about the safety of these vaccines, maybe one day you will be open to debate, until then a i wish you all, vaccinated and unvaccinated good health

02-07-2021 7:17pm

TP_CM wrote: »

We're pro vax but hesitant with this one because we're going for another kid and we haven't seen enough information around parents who had the vaccine pre-conception and the health of the baby after birth (autism etc). I will more than likely get it as soon as my part is done though. I'll fully support whatever the missus wants to do but from what I've heard so far she's going nowhere near it.

The link between vaccines and autism in general has been thoroughly debunked, why do people still believe this?

Honestly, if you have concerns, talk to your doctor.

Sofa King Great · 02-07-2021 7:17pm

TP_CM wrote: »

We're pro vax but hesitant with this one because we're going for another kid and we haven't seen enough information around parents who had the vaccine pre-conception and the health of the baby after birth (autism etc). I will more than likely get it as soon as my part is done though. I'll fully support whatever the missus wants to do but from what I've heard so far she's going nowhere near it.

Curious as to why you think it would cause autism?

OneLungDavy · 02-07-2021 7:19pm

L1011 wrote: »

Claim not to be anti vaccine, within one further post you go to antivax tropes.

You will never made an "informed decision" if you think youtube is a valid place to get medical advice.

*sigh* Ten posts in and civil discourse is already killed.

Sofa King Great · 02-07-2021 7:20pm

quinneerr wrote: »

People testifying at hearings into vaccine side effects look convincing to me.
It would seem this part of boards is heavy pro covid vaccine and does not want any kind of debate on the risks, maybe most here are already vaccinated and dont want to acknowledge the doubts arising on a daily basis about the safety of these vaccines, maybe one day you will be open to debate, until then a i wish you all, vaccinated and unvaccinated good health

No point in debating when one side is basing their info off scientific research and the other is basing their info off youtube and memes

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:21pm

Wolf359f wrote: »

Most antivaxxers would have been vaccinated as a child. Hard to say no to a vaccine when in diapers and haven't been brainwashed by YouTube yet.

I took all the vaccines under the sun for south America so I would count myself as pro vax. This just feels so pushed. Definitely a lot of women in their 20/30s have big concerns but the government seems to be just pushing pushing pushing. That approach might have worked in old Ireland where people were like sheep but nowadays people are a lot more sceptical and the approach the government is taking isn't helping.

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 7:22pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

Claiming not to be antivax is not credible with the misinformed nonsense you're posting.

Only anti-vaxxers (or extremely gullible people, though they're not mutually exclusive) would trust videos they found on YouTube as their primary source of medical information.

You have an agenda, stop playing innocent.

"You have an agenda, stop playing innocent."
I could say you have had the vaccine, and now that we see all is not well you and others who are vaccinated are circling the wagons in a type of support
group, trying to validate your decision to get vaccinated.
What will the medium to long terms effect be?

TP_CM · 02-07-2021 7:22pm

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Curious as to why you think it would cause autism?

The problem is I don't know and nobody else does because enough time hasn't elapsed yet.

myfreespirit · 02-07-2021 7:22pm

quinneerr wrote: »

People testifying at hearings into vaccine side effects look convincing to me.
It would seem this part of boards is heavy pro covid vaccine and does not want any kind of debate on the risks, maybe most here are already vaccinated and dont want to acknowledge the doubts arising on a daily basis about the safety of these vaccines, maybe one day you will be open to debate, until then a i wish you all, vaccinated and unvaccinated good health

You haven't answered the question posed to you.
Vague references to "hearings" doesn't mean a lot without some context.
It could conceivably be the case that rare side effects will be identified as a result of vaccination, however, nothing you have posted backs up any of your assertions.

Snotty · 02-07-2021 7:22pm

TP_CM wrote: »

and the health of the baby after birth (autism etc).

Big Red flag that you get your information from Facebook and YouTube

niallo27 · 02-07-2021 7:23pm

Have we ever been told to take a vaccine to protect others before though, any normal 18 year old would not need a vaccine.

L1011 · 02-07-2021 7:24pm

OneLungDavy wrote: »

*sigh* Ten posts in and civil discourse is already killed.

Five posts in and the first of the prepared antivax tropes came out. There was never an intent for civil discourse here, just a "just asking questions" post

Sofa King Great · 02-07-2021 7:25pm

TP_CM wrote: »

The problem is I don't know and nobody else does because enough time hasn't elapsed yet.

But why did you pick autism? Autism has been incorrectly and maliciously linked to other vaccines over the years which leads me to believe you are being misled by misinformation

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:25pm

maxamillius wrote: »

Fairly hesitant myself, not anti vax, just hesitant. I’m yet to find a solid reason as to why I should get it, doesn’t prevent me catching or spreading covid.

If it wasn’t for the whole travel thing I probably wouldn’t get it.

Vaccine reduces transmission?
Is that not a good reason?

02-07-2021 7:25pm

TP_CM wrote: »

I took all the vaccines under the sun for south America so I would count myself as pro vax. This just feels so pushed. Definitely a lot of women in their 20/30s have big concerns but the government seems to be just pushing pushing pushing. That approach might have worked in old Ireland where people were like sheep but nowadays people are a lot more sceptical and the approach the government is taking isn't helping.

Yes, silly little Ireland for trusting actual medical evidence over a feeling that the rollout is 'forced.' There is a sense of urgency around the rollout for obvious reasons.

I know many women in their 20s/30s (I am one myself) and all of them are keen to get the vaccine.

I think it's a sign of a well educated population actually. But you call us sheep all you want if it makes you feel good.

L1011 · 02-07-2021 7:26pm

TP_CM wrote: »

We're pro vax but hesitant with this one because we're going for another kid and we haven't seen enough information around parents who had the vaccine pre-conception and the health of the baby after birth (autism etc). I will more than likely get it as soon as my part is done though. I'll fully support whatever the missus wants to do but from what I've heard so far she's going nowhere near it.

Would you not be more concerned by the actual known risk of COVID placentitis rather than some unknown and most likely non-existent ones?

02-07-2021 7:26pm

TP_CM wrote: »

The problem is I don't know and nobody else does because enough time hasn't elapsed yet.

But why mention autism specifically? Most likely that you believe vaccines cause autism in the first place which has been proven to be completely false.

quinneerr · 02-07-2021 7:26pm

myfreespirit wrote: »

You haven't answered the question posed to you.
Vague references to "hearings" doesn't mean a lot without some context.
It could conceivably be the case that rare side effects will be identified as a result of vaccination, however, nothing you have posted backs up any of your assertions.

Mother weeps as she tells senator how Pfizer shot left her daughter wheelchair-bound.
Read it and watch the video and then tell me its does not give you some concern
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-weeps-as-she-tells-senator-how-pfizer-shot-left-her-daughter-wheelchair-bound

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:27pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Grave yards are full of heroes.

Why get an experimental vaccine with ZERO knowledge of the medium to long term effects for a virus that in reality wont effect 99% of the population?
This is what has me puzzled, risking your health when you know the history of these type of companies in the pursuit of profit.

Your not an anti vaxer?

hkjohn · 02-07-2021 7:27pm

“I’m not anti-vax but….” = the covidiots’ equivalent of bigots’ “I’m no racist, but….”

Always beware of posters who start threads in such a way as they’ll invariably dredge up half-baked rubbish from some bloke in his mum’s basement a couple of posts later.

Lyle · 02-07-2021 7:27pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Mother weeps as she tells senator how Pfizer shot left her daughter wheelchair-bound.
Read it and watch the video and then tell me its does not give you some concern
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-weeps-as-she-tells-senator-how-pfizer-shot-left-her-daughter-wheelchair-bound

oh ffs

Beasty, for the love of god, please put this thread out of its misery.

tom1ie · 02-07-2021 7:28pm

quinneerr wrote: »

Mother weeps as she tells senator how Pfizer shot left her daughter wheelchair-bound.
Read it and watch the video and then tell me its does not give you some concern
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-weeps-as-she-tells-senator-how-pfizer-shot-left-her-daughter-wheelchair-bound

Yep your definitely not an anti vaxer!!

Smee_Again · 02-07-2021 7:29pm

niallo27 wrote: »

Have we ever been told to take a vaccine to protect others before though, any normal 18 year old would not need a vaccine.

Rubella.

AFAIK it’s really not serious unless you’re pregnant so the entire population is vaccinated to protect pregnant women.

02-07-2021 7:29pm

quinneerr wrote: »

"You have an agenda, stop playing innocent."
I could say you have had the vaccine, and now that we see all is not well you and others who are vaccinated are circling the wagons in a type of support
group, trying to validate your decision to get vaccinated.
What will the medium to long terms effect be?

What on earth are you on about? I'm happy with my decision and don't need validation.

I do have an issue with dangerous nonsense bring spread in an effort to scare people though.

02-07-2021 7:29pm

TP_CM wrote: »

We're pro vax but hesitant with this one because we're going for another kid and we haven't seen enough information around parents who had the vaccine pre-conception and the health of the baby after birth (autism etc). I will more than likely get it as soon as my part is done though. I'll fully support whatever the missus wants to do but from what I've heard so far she's going nowhere near it.

Is there any recorded history ever of autism from a vaccine? Please inform me if there is. I'd be very interested as I'm a pharmacist involved in the roll out of the vaccine at the moment.

Anyone not getting the vaccine?

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