Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Leftwaffe wrote: »

The introduction of a vaccine passport for indoor hospitality would be a great idea if it was 3 months ago, coupled with other optional passes such as a negative antigen test, negative PCR test or proof of recovery.

Can't wait to see the half arsed system they try to introduce on July 19th (or later).

It wont be legal/constitutional if it only applies to vaccinated people here.
Other countries allowed negative PCR or antigen also - which makes sense.

2,170 deaths in the next 3 months being forecast.

This is pure fantasy crap and the gov are lapping it up, no indepenedent analysis so it's literally plucked from the air. Why is there no one in a position to question and call this out?

I like many reading through the past few pages here am angry, why are we the outlier? When can we open?

I've never been to a protest in my life but is there one being planned? This is an omnishambles.

funnydoggy wrote: »

It's what it seems like to be honest. Seething. There's gonna be holy war.

I'd like to think you're right but in all honesty I don't think you are. This thread isn't a true representative of the majority of public opinion. Theres a very large cohort of people who are happy to go along with NPHET/gov demands.

This episode may sway a percentage of that cohort but by and large most people are sheep and/or are just sleepwalking through the current situation.

On another note, Sinn Fein have been an absolute joke throughout this. A joke. Where is Stephen Donnelly too?

Gael23 wrote: »

Plan to only allow vaccinated dine indoors looks to be illegal under the equality act

Under what section of the equality act?

jakiah wrote: »

Havent NPHET effectiviely undermined the vaccine rollout with these models? They are effectively saying vaccines dont work

Which is another reason why I'm skeptical that these headlines are accurate.

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I'd like to think you're right but in all honesty I don't think you are.

I think you may be correct there

suicide_circus wrote: »

When the dust settles on this, let us not forget the names of the media collaborators. Shane Coleman has been vomit inducing.

In fairness he did ask had the models been validated. He is not agreeing with them, just saying politically the government will not be strong.

Mr.CoolGuy wrote: »

I get the anger around the vaccine bonuses, but all of the arguments basically boil down to "I'd rather the restaurants continue to struggle than someone else get to do something I can't do". People would genuinely rather be turned away from a busy beer garden because there's no more seats, than allow some of the punters sit inside.

Can't see the government going for it either way. Begrudgery will ensure they get hammered for it

No the arguments do not boil down to that. I’m fully vaccinated and I’ll be the first in line to protest against vaccine apartheid. It’s an appalling prospect, and where will it end? I don’t want to live in a society that would do this.

leahyl wrote: »

There’s war on Cork local radio this morning anyway - restauranteurs and the public alike sick of it all. Yer man from Treyvauds in Killarney was on and you could feel the anger through the radio. Wouldn’t blame him, to be fair.

Then you got the two fellas afterwards on both sides.. it was fúcking hilarious.


The man calling for every man, woman and child to be vaccinated in the country before any restrictions lifted seemed a bit.. cracked.

leahyl wrote: »

There’s war on Cork local radio this morning anyway - restauranteurs and the public alike sick of it all. Yer man from Treyvauds in Killarney was on and you could feel the anger through the radio. Wouldn’t blame him, to be fair.

Is he going to follow through on his pledge to open on Monday come what may?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/well-known-irish-restaurant-owner-24403746

Father Hernandez wrote: »

2,170 deaths in the next 3 months being forecast.

This is pure fantasy crap and the gov are lapping it up, no indepenedent analysis so it's literally plucked from the air. Why is there no one in a position to question and call this out?

I like many reading through the past few pages here am angry, why are we the outlier? When can we open?

I've never been to a protest in my life but is there one being planned? This is an omnishambles.

Are there any academics in government?

funnydoggy wrote: »

Then you got the two fellas afterwards on both sides.. it was fúcking hilarious.


The man calling for every man, woman and child to be vaccinated in the country before any restrictions lifted seemed a bit.. cracked.

Lol laughed my head off at that fella!

McConkey was on NT this morning and said his modelling predicted 200 to 500 deaths for the rest of 2021...

Kingston Mills ****ting all over the AZ vaccine now. Predictable.

seamus wrote: »

I wouldn't call it a "logic gap", but it's certainly a fair point. As essential workers it was accepted that some things just had to be done, therefore having people work unvaccinated was an acceptable level of risk.

Whereas serving people in pubs and restaurants is not essential work, so why is the risk acceptable?

It does still however beg the question of why unvaccinated staff serving unvaccinated people outside is OK, but serving vaccinated people inside, is not? The latter pose far less of a risk to staff than the former.

The logic gap is that Ireland has been one of the only country not opening the vaccine to everyone. Countries like Germany or France opened the vaccination to the young cohorts early, reducing the transmission of the virus in these age groups. Ireland preferred reducing the risk of severe illness than the transmission by focusing on older cohorts. Fair enough.

And now, the decisions taken in Ireland are about "reducing cases of 10% if we delay 2weeks". This is a logic gap, if it was about reducing case numbers you would have opened the vaccine to the 18-25 age group in the first place.

seamus wrote: »

At considerably lower rates though, we know that. The unvaccinated staff pose a graver risk to eachother than vaccinated customers do.

So it's okay for unvaccinated staff to serve vaccinated customers because they don't pose a risk to the vaccinated customers but its not okay for unvaccinated customers to be near the vaccinated customers? does covid know the unvaccinated staff are working or what?

I don't understand this logic at all. Can we stop trying to segregate society based on vaccine status please?