Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

29-06-2021 08:46AM

Further lockdowns, ridiculous levels of debt
MNC leaving (maybe), SF likely to win the next election and increase the majority of our taxes. It’s going to be a long few years!

I generally would have been supportive of restrictions up until the last few months but this new forecast is just plain ridiculous unless NPHET know more than the rest of the worlds scientists.

is_that_so · 29-06-2021 08:46AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

In that case we are never opening up.

Delta will take hold regardless, then schools will have to open, then winter will happen.

I have disagreed but somewhat understood our slow gradual opening, to move from that to indoor and travel on the same weekend is a sea change

It is puzzling that they would use these numbers as an argument, rather than say we view a 2-3 week delay as prudent given that we only have X% vaccinated and we are concerned at the increasing number of Delta cases. Even their best case scenario model opens them to ridicule and has echoes of Ferguson in the UK last year.

Nozebleed · 29-06-2021 08:48AM

6 wrote: »

Well it looks like you will. No vaccine, no entry.

It's up to the government and businesses to make it work. This should have been in place ready to implement months ago.

are you living in the real world?

active discrimination against perfectly healthy people who want to socialise?

are you gona ban people who have HIV from entering pubs aswell?

bear1 · 29-06-2021 08:51AM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

What's confidential about being vaccinated?

The fact you have to ask...

the kelt · 29-06-2021 08:53AM

The fact is when you see this thread and no one is actually bothering to defend or argue for the projections of NPHET, on this thread of all threads then ye know something is seriously off here!

I mean the only way any sense could be made was if vaccines were just pure useless.

I’m in for my second one today and genuinely wondering what’s the point?

The numbers just don’t stack up, anywhere!

namloc1980 · 29-06-2021 08:53AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

I thought it was 170 deaths? Can't find a link to it

None the less the question should be, are we willing to allow these numbers? Sam McConkey was on newstalk a few minutes ago explaining the figures, and it made sense where they were coming from, but he was advocating that we should reopen none the less

Really? NPHETs projections are showing us to have an outcome multiples times worse than India had during it's Delta peak, in the next 4-8 weeks or so. NPHETs projections are off the charts and out of line with real world experience.

Newstalk presenters are fully on board anyway with continued/further restrictions.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2021 08:56AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

So folks, with NPHETS outrageous numbers proposed, do you honestly think that they'll revise in 2 weeks time? Then we'll be coming into August. Do you honestly think they'll revise their predictions with the threat of Schools going back?

They are projecting complete doom for August and September so they won't be changing their advice in 2 weeks time. If anything they'll be looking to ramp up restrictions to protect the schools etc.

Hurrache · 29-06-2021 08:56AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

You do know that even the majority of the NPHET members are not infectious disease experts?

I think if they can be given complete governance of our freedoms without an elected mandate then we can talk about the rights and wrongs of it on an internet forum. Should I not post on the soccer forum because I don't play for Liverpool?

There's hashtag doing the rounds, disbandNPHET, a good measure of the stupidity in this country.

Putting aside all the obvious reasons as to why it's so stupid, even after a year of a pandemic people still don't understand what their role is and who actually make the decisions based on their advice.

SnuggyBear · 29-06-2021 08:57AM

You know that phrase expect the worst and hope for the best? With this government its expect the worst full stop.

Zebra3 · 29-06-2021 08:58AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Further lockdowns, ridiculous levels of debt
MNC leaving (maybe), SF likely to win the next election and increase the majority of our taxes. It’s going to be a long few years!

I generally would have been supportive of restrictions up until the last few months but this new forecast is just plain ridiculous unless NPHET know more than the rest of the worlds scientists.

No matter who is in power, there’ll be large tax increases.

agoodpunt · 29-06-2021 08:59AM

the fact that the model presented is a farce
The govt wont allow indoor this year.
NPET will have used the pandemic to break pub culture permanently which is what dr hou so arrogantly wants to impose on the public and he has a weak govt to play with and it going to cost us dearly

Sobit1964 · 29-06-2021 08:59AM

Hurrache wrote: »

There's hashtag doing the rounds, disbandNPHET, a good measure of the stupidity in this country.

Putting aside all the obvious reasons as to why it's so stupid, even after a year of a pandemic people still don't understand what their role is and who actually make the decisions based on their advice.

More and more people understand just fine.

daydorunrun · 29-06-2021 09:00AM

NPHET's latest projections should be the beginning of the end for them they are so outlandish......they won't though, government will bend over and reopening will be stalled and just like before, those figure of infections, hospitalisations and deaths will be viewed as what would definitely have happened had they not made their recommendations and the government not bowed to their projections. All hail.

Hurrache · 29-06-2021 09:00AM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1409779317589135363

I wonder did he use laundered money to buy the device he posted that from
https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1409564791019028485?s=19

Patrick2010 · 29-06-2021 09:00AM

Where are they getting these ludicrous figures from, 700,000 cases, 2000 deaths?/. Are they not going to be asked to justify them?. How is indoor dining going to cause such an outbreak?. I was in a penneys shop recently and people were in close connect, same in many other shops and hospital figures are as low as they'll get. Is Tony saying vaccinations are a waste of time?. Anyone over sixty should have been vaccinated by now, at some stage people have to take personal responsibility.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2021 09:00AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm not in favor of it but can you point to how it failed ??

Doesn't look to have failed in Denmark anyway, they got infections right down and were able to open up with it, now it'll be phased out because it's worked.

You either go with it at the beginning or not at all, definitely not now, it just annoys more people at this stage.

In Denmark the coronapas can be used to show vaccination but also for the unvaccinated who can show negative test in the last 72 hours or evidence of previous infection and recovery. NPHET appear to be recommending the vaccine only route i.e. no vaccine, no entry. That's a completely different ballgame, and clear and outright discrimination. Especially when not everyone has yet been offered a vaccine. Basing access to society on vaccine status only is very dangerous territory.

Red Silurian · 29-06-2021 09:01AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Nope, was 2170 unfortunately! I must correct myself though, it was 3 months not 2

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/grim-covid-projections-put-opening-of-indoor-hospitality-in-serious-doubt-1.4606220

I suppose the vaccine efficacy could mysteriously and completely fail over the next 3 months but that death rate sounds much too high

In saying that in November NPHET also suggested we could see over 400 cases a day in January 2021 and we all laughed at that

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-06-2021 09:01AM

the unvaccinated should wear a little symbol on their clothing so we know who they are

namloc1980 · 29-06-2021 09:02AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

You know that phrase expect the worst and hope for the best? With this government its expect the worst full stop.

Expect the worst and somehow get even worse.

moritz1234 · 29-06-2021 09:02AM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Where are they getting these ludicrous figures from, 700,000 cases, 2000 deaths?/. Are they not going to be asked to justify them?. How is indoor dining going to cause such an outbreak?. I was in a penneys shop recently and people were in close connect, same in many other shops and hospital figures are as low as they'll get. Is Tony saying vaccinations are a waste of time?. Anyone over sixty should have been vaccinated by now, at some stage people have to take personal responsibility.

Blatant lies by the North Korean government and media

stephenjmcd · 29-06-2021 09:03AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

In Denmark the coronapas can be used to show vaccination but also for the unvaccinated who can show negative test in the last 72 hours or evidence of previous infection and recovery. NPHET appear to be recommending the vaccine only route i.e. no vaccine, no entry. That's a completely different ballgame, and clear and outright discrimination. Especially when not everyone has yet been offered a vaccine. Basing access to society on vaccine status only is very dangerous territory.

I know how Coronapas works, said poster saying it didn't work in Denmark, when it looks like it did.

Not saying I agree with anything of the like here but to say it failed in Denmark isn't accurate, it did the job it was brought in for.

TomTomTim · 29-06-2021 09:05AM

Hurrache wrote: »

I wonder did he use laundered money to buy the device he posted that from
https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1409564791019028485?s=19

Shouldn't you be eating some humble pie and saying sorry to all of those posters you've mocked for weeks?

Hurrache · 29-06-2021 09:07AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

More and more people understand just fine.

It's the government they should be pressuring so as to have the data re-analysed and checked.

It's ultimately up to the cabinet to act on advice given, but they should also be sure of the data they're given.

The figures flagged now are at the extreme end of the worse case scenario, they should be tempered a bit, but calling for the disbanding of it is off the wall.

ThunbergsAreGo · 29-06-2021 09:08AM

Hurrache wrote: »

I wonder did he use laundered money to buy the device he posted that from
https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1409564791019028485?s=19

I wonder does that have any relevance to the thread topic

Murph85 · 29-06-2021 09:08AM

maxamillius wrote: »

Apologies I’m sure this has been discussed before but I’m genuinely trying to weigh up the Actual benefits of getting this vaccine, I’m young fit and healthy. If I can still catch and spread covid after I have been vaccinated, what is the benefit?

I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m trying to decide weather or not I want it.

Thanks

I see no benefits for the young long term effects unknown... they were trying to blackmail us into taking it, by removing our liberties. Also as we now see, the vaccine apparently changes nothing... still huge restrictions with the elderly vaccinated!

AND had people not been so eager to go out and get vaccinated in their masses , the government and nphet powergrab, would have been far more difficult for them...

Hurrache · 29-06-2021 09:09AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I wonder does that have any relevance to the thread topic

Absolutely, any ****e he writes or posts has the spectre of dodgy funding and agendas behind it.

bloopy · 29-06-2021 09:09AM

Why are newstalk, rte and the like, not questioning these numbers? They just keep repeating how 'stark' they are.
The numbers if applied to Uk would mean that they should be looking at approx 117000 cases per day or 6.5m additional cases.

These numbers are outrageously high.

Murph85 · 29-06-2021 09:09AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the unvaccinated should wear a little symbol on their clothing so we know who they are

I'll proudly wear it!

lawred2 · 29-06-2021 09:10AM

normanoffside wrote: »

This is what the NPHET numbers would look like. A peak 3x the January one at the end of August. We’d be well out of PCR capacity to even test that many cases

https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1409771678549295106?s=21

Farcical

Are our government going to ask for a second opinion?

VinLieger · 29-06-2021 09:10AM

bloopy wrote: »

Why are newstalk, rte and the like, not questioning these numbers? They just keep repeating how 'stark' they are.
The numbers if applied to Uk would mean that they should be looking at approx 117000 cases per day or 6.5m additional cases.

These numbers are outrageously high.

Newstalk did mention a few times how they should be independently verified considering how bad they are

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings