Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

eigrod · 28-06-2021 10:15PM

Don’t drive your cars, cycle your bikes or walk on the footpaths ever again as the potential for hospitalisation and death is too high. The risk isn’t worth it.

First time in 16 months, I’m done with these.

beaz2018 · 28-06-2021 10:15PM

It was me that posted on here that pubs won’t open indoors in 2021. And I stand by it. How anyone thinks they will have a better chance of opening approaching winter is beyond me.

Graham · 28-06-2021 10:15PM

Necro wrote: »

I don't think that was me but I did have a sort of blind optimism

As did I.

To be honest I have absolutely no idea what's happening this evening.

What's official, what's rumour, what's speculation, WTF is going on at all.

As a showcase in how absolutely not to communicate anything, ever, this is an absolute masterclass.

A complete and utter s**tshow.

Deusexmachina · 28-06-2021 10:17PM

growleaves wrote: »

Which is confidential medical information.

Also you'd have to show ID everywhere you go.

They're wearing people down with a long hard slog and the result is people will agree to anything and even be like 'What's wrong with that?'

What's confidential about being vaccinated?

funnydoggy · 28-06-2021 10:17PM

eigrod wrote: »

Don’t drive your cars, cycle your bikes or walk on the footpaths ever again as the potential for hospitalisation and death is too high. The risk isn’t worth it.

First time in 16 months, I’m done with these.

Triple wrap your willy

namloc1980 · 28-06-2021 10:18PM

The planned reopening for July 5 “will not stand,” a senior source said after the Cabinet was provided with gloomy modelling data on the Delta variant.

Another said: “Any kind of delay is now possible, maybe longer than two weeks, because of the predictions.”

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-warns-delta-variant-could-infect-thousands-per-day-in-august-leading-to-a-peak-of-deaths-40591171.html

Necro · 28-06-2021 10:18PM

Graham wrote: »

As did I.

To be honest I have absolutely no idea what's happening this evening.

What's official, what's rumour, what's speculation, WTF is going on at all.

As. a showcase in how absolutely not to communicate anything, ever, this is an absolute masterclass.

A complete and utter s**tshow.

The leaks always have been utterly pathetic tbh.

Why they can't keep their mouths shut until they actually make a decision instead of kite-flying and leaking things in a drip drip fashion (which by it's very nature is going to annoy a vast amount of people) is beyond me.

GooglePlus · 28-06-2021 10:19PM

growleaves wrote: »

You won't be arrested but you can be disgraced and disemployed for 'breaking the [social distancing] rules'.

Yeah, don't remember that in the book now. Mainly the erasing or doctoring of history, rockets blowing civilians up, children having their parents executed, sex only for procreation with someone approved by the "party", generations purged.

I love the book and can't understand why people keep referring to it during this pandemic.

Gael23 · 28-06-2021 10:19PM

Something must give now.

People need to take to the streets. Enough is enough

M_Murphy57 · 28-06-2021 10:19PM

I was optimistic earlier when the entire outcome hadn't been leaked in advance and all the headlines were about how broke we are.

That nphet letter is an outright disgrace and demonstrably lies, so easily shown to be lies when we look at the UK- cases up, hospitslisations and deaths not so much, life goes on there.

When will this be allowed to end? If not with 13 in ICU then when?

Name one single vaccine "bonus" so far?!

I'm genuinely completely staggered by what we've seen. I'm approaching the point where I think the tinfoil hatters were right.

Aph2016 · 28-06-2021 10:19PM

It's truly incredible that they're delaying again, the way they're treating thousands of businesses is disgraceful. I'm not sure how to react, on one hand I'm not surprised, on the other I'm furious. Michael Martin is the worst Taoiseach by some margin, I don't know how he can sleep at night.

eigrod · 28-06-2021 10:21PM

beaz2018 wrote: »

It was me that posted on here that pubs won’t open indoors in 2021. And I stand by it. How anyone thinks they will have a better chance of opening approaching winter is beyond me.

3 weeks time, it’ll be they need caution so the kids can go back to school safely. And on and on it’ll go. Depressing.

JRant · 28-06-2021 10:21PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Seen nothing on travel...

Assume NPHET want that wiped too...Which means going against EU policies...Which will be very interesting to see them justify

Well, they can delay it by up to 6 weeks if they want, which right now looks very very likely. It's funny but MM was talking about being a good European and following EU values only a few days ago.

SusanC10 · 28-06-2021 10:22PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

I was optimistic earlier when the entire outcome hadn't been leaked in advance and all the headlines were about how broke we are.

That nphet letter is an outright disgrace and demonstrably lies, so easily shown to be lies when we look at the UK- cases up, hospitslisations and deaths not so much, life goes on there.

When will this be allowed to end? If not with 13 in ICU then when?

Name one single vaccine "bonus" so far?!

I'm genuinely completely staggered by what we've seen. I'm approaching the point where I think the tinfoil hatters were right.

Has the NPHET letter been made public ?

Richard Hillman · 28-06-2021 10:22PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Seen nothing on travel...

Assume NPHET want that wiped too...Which means going against EU policies...Which will be very interesting to see them justify

The government are more craven to the EU than NPHET. They hope for EU jobs when the gig is up. Ain't no jobs at NPHET

GeorgeBailey · 28-06-2021 10:22PM

eigrod wrote: »

3 weeks time, it’ll be they need caution so the kids can go back to school safely. And on and on it’ll go. Depressing.

Absolute nailed on certainty.

eigrod · 28-06-2021 10:22PM

Necro wrote: »

The leaks always have been utterly pathetic tbh.

Why they can't keep their mouths shut until they actually make a decision instead of kite-flying and leaking things in a drip drip fashion (which by it's very nature is going to annoy a vast amount of people) is beyond me.

This is how they ‘pay’ their selected journalists for positive spin in return.

Dyr · 28-06-2021 10:23PM

JRant wrote: »

Well, they can delay it by up to 6 weeks if they want, which right now looks very very likely. It's funny but MM was talking about being a good European and following EU values only a few days ago.

He made sure to keep the airports open no matter how bad things were, he's a very good European.

2 years in government and he's already bankrupted us...beating FFs previous record.

Graham · 28-06-2021 10:24PM

Necro wrote: »

The leaks always have been utterly pathetic tbh.

Why they can't keep their mouths shut until they actually make a decision instead of kite-flying and leaking things in a drip drip fashion (which by it's very nature is going to annoy a vast amount of people) is beyond me.

The kite-flying I can all almost understand, it's a quick, cheap, easy way of gauging the publics reaction without committing to anything. Lacks any kind of conviction but I suppose it's served it's purpose up until now.

What you absolutely completely cannot do is fly 500 kites simultaneously while some really struggling business, their staff and the rest of the population try to make heads-or-tails of what's in store for them over the coming weeks.

Outside of whatever fudge eventually gets announced over the coming hours, heads need to roll over the handling of communication over the last few days. It's inexcusable.

GeorgeBailey · 28-06-2021 10:24PM

I never thought I'd see the day. Everyone in the restrictions thread in agreement. Take a bow Tony.

growleaves · 28-06-2021 10:26PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

What's confidential about being vaccinated?

Patient confidentiality is a principle and applies to any medical procedure. The specific reason for choosing to exercise it is up to each person.

I have heard of people in the US who took the first shot and were scared to take the second shot after side effects. Maybe they don't want their local diner owner, or the people they go to dinner with, to know that they didn't take the second shot.

However that's just an invented scenario. The principle is to safeguard a person's privacy and you don't need a justification.

GeorgeBailey · 28-06-2021 10:26PM

I presume NPHET will look for the full 6 weeks of grace time on EU travel cert and say indoor dining will open then (spoiler: it won't).

28-06-2021 10:26PM

Necro wrote: »

The leaks always have been utterly pathetic tbh.

Why they can't keep their mouths shut until they actually make a decision instead of kite-flying and leaking things in a drip drip fashion (which by it's very nature is going to annoy a vast amount of people) is beyond me.

Yes. To be treating us like this, and playing with peoples emotions after all we've been through, is just unacceptable. I really hope this is a tipping point for what we are willing to put up with. Enough is enough imo.

landofthetree · 28-06-2021 10:27PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The government are more craven to the EU than NPHET. They hope for EU jobs when the gig is up. Ain't no jobs at NPHET

You can fly all over Europe and do stuff indoors.
You still won't be able to have a pint indoors at home.

This could actually be what happens,

Graham · 28-06-2021 10:27PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

I never thought I'd see the day. Everyone in the restrictions thread in agreement. Take a bow Tony.

Regardless of anyones opinions of NPHET, the government are responsible for the decisions/communications.

It is the government that needs to answer for this absolute shambles.

28-06-2021 10:27PM

This is the nail in the coffin of any meaningful summer, should government align themselves with NPHETs gloom-laden predictions.

Once September comes around and cases rise even further, there will be calls for significant restrictions coming into the winter. I think that's almost an inevitability.

Not in the rest of Europe of course, but here.

agoodpunt · 28-06-2021 10:27PM

wont open around next bank holiday and delta should spike case nicely before school opening becomes a priorty so I will guess no indoor 2021, I head a way august till next year I will be fully vaccinated but I wouldnt bother if i was staying here.
Maybe a mass vaccine bycott by young people as a protest might change direction

ingo1984 · 28-06-2021 10:28PM

JRant wrote: »

And no other country in Europe has added as much to their national debt as we have so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Correct. During Covid we've overtaken Greece and Italy as the most debt per capita in Europe and one of the most in the world. Our debt per capita has increased 5 fold in the last 12 years. Staggering, with nothing to show for it.

SnuggyBear · 28-06-2021 10:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is the nail in the coffin of any meaningful summer.

Once September comes around and cases rise even further, there will be calls for significant restrictions coming into the winter. I think that's almost an inevitability.

Not in the rest of Europe of course, but here.

Yep. Brace yourself for another long winter of sitting at home looking at the 4 walls.

namloc1980 · 28-06-2021 10:28PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

What's confidential about being vaccinated?

Medical information is private personal information under Data Protection law. In fact it's classified as special category private data under GDPR and subject to extra legal requirements for processing etc

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