Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

VG31 · 28-06-2021 11:55PM

Jizique wrote: »

I feel dirty when I agree with David and McGurk

I wouldn't agree with McGuirk at all on social issues but on covid he's usually spot on.

David Higgins is a definitely a voice a reason.

plodder · 28-06-2021 11:55PM

agoodpunt wrote: »

Interesting peice about Israel in the last 24 hours it seems the delta can infect after 2 doses AZ or pfizer and can be aymptomatic seems more prevalent in younger cohort, worth a read.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/coronavirus-delta-variant-slams-shut-the-reopening-of-israel-to-world/news-story/f02e7b028a898acb2b72db95e56a2385

Can't read that as it's behind a paywall, but the Washington Post says this:

Officials decided Sunday night that a spike in positive cases did not warrant a return to lockdown or significant restrictions other than reinstating an indoor mask mandate that had dropped just two weeks ago.

“This past week, there has been a rise in the number of people testing positive in Israel, but there hasn’t been a complementary rise in the number of people hospitalized,” Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said. “But we need to know, the delta variant does infect vaccinated people.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-delta-vaccine-shield-holding/2021/06/28/1ba865b2-d7e1-11eb-8c87-ad6f27918c78_story.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_world-middle-east

RobitTV · 28-06-2021 11:56PM

https://twitter.com/damianbruced/status/1409626411753684992

the kelt · 28-06-2021 11:57PM

I think tonight has to be most definitely NPHET’s “jump the shark moment!”

ingo1984 · 28-06-2021 11:57PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Where are the legal challenges?

It's time for the hospitality industry to get together and prepare for serious legal action. This is now serious for them.

This is a make or break moment.

They already have. Taking discrimination case based on hotels being able to serve indoors but pubs and restaurants can't. Passed judicial review last Monday so is proceeding to court.

Scuid Mhór · 28-06-2021 11:57PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

I don't know if it's deliberate - I certainly hope it's not - but all NPHET have done tonight is to shatter public confidence in the vaccination programme.

They're saying vaccinations aren't worth a damn and won't save lives.

How is this going to persuade young people - the exact cohort of society we need to persuade to immunise themselves against a disease which will barely affect them, for the wider benefit of society - to get vaccinated?

Vaccines work. They have saved lives and they will save more lives in the weeks and months to come.

NPHET is no longer fit for purpose. They should be politely thanked for their efforts (while noting that not a single member of NPHET has lost a brass cent in pay while demanding a generation of young people and small businessmen give up their livelihoods) and disbanded.

Secondly - there are massive political implications here. The Dublin Bay South by-election is going to be held on Thursday week, just three days after the Government will have reneged on their reopening date despite fewer than twenty people being seriously ill with this virus.

The likelihood is that there will be a backlash against the Government as a result. The loss of this safe seat will lead to serious questions within Fine Gael about Leo Varadkar's leadership, coming as it does after he led Fine Gael to a catastrophic general election result, losing a quarter of all their seats in the Dáil.

The Tánaiste will likely be digesting this latest demand from NPHET and their conclusion that Ireland is the only country in Europe where the Indian variant requires a continued ban on the operation of many businesses - and recalling that the three-week lockdown in December is now entering its eighth month.

I suspect the only way that there will not be a massive public backlash to this is if the Government announce a concrete, pre-August, date for the lifting of all restrictions, and that NPHET will be disbanded on that date.

Interesting take.

Zebra3 · 28-06-2021 11:57PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

NPHET think that if go for an indoor pint, we'll be out there licking door handles and having thousand strong orgies. Even then their numbers wouldn't add up. It's ****ing bonkers.

Don’t forget that indoor pints are being legally served already!!!

And has it caused any issues?

Why aren’t the media focusing on that?

Oh yeah, bought off....

helimachoptor · 28-06-2021 11:58PM

RobitTV wrote: »

https://twitter.com/damianbruced/status/1409626411753684992

I know him, he's famous now

Van.Bosch · 29-06-2021 12:00AM

VG31 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with McGuirk at all on social issues but on covid he's usually spot on.

David Higgins is a definitely a voice a reason.

Quinn not Higgins

agoodpunt · 29-06-2021 12:01AM

are they talking about a heat wave in aug/sept?

boggerman1 · 29-06-2021 12:01AM

It’s time for people to reclaim their lives.the pubs/restaurants need to defy nphet and open next Monday full stop.and the public willing to live our lives normally and peacefully have to support them.enough is enough Tony houlihan .

_Kaiser_ · 29-06-2021 12:03AM

the kelt wrote: »

I think tonight has to be most definitely NPHET’s “jump the shark moment!”

If Holohan doesn't go over this, or if at the VERY least NPHET aren't put back into their box then it's hard to see how FF or FG can have any credibility here.

Tony/NPHET have thrown their toys out of the pram tonight with projections NO ONE seems to believe, and effectively said that the vaccination program is pointless (which WILL have knock-on effects for those who are hesitant or outright against them).

If Micheal (or more likely Leo and elements within FF making demands in the background) doesn't act decisively here to restore order and Government authority we could be seeing an election very soon I reckon.

Lucas Hood · 29-06-2021 12:03AM

Government should let stuff open as planned and if case numbers/hospitalizations/deaths begin to rise as rapidly as Nphet are suggesting then close them again.

Nphet clearly live in cuckoo land a lot of people aren't bothering with restrictions anymore and case numbers are stable , theres very few people in hospital , little or no deaths , nearly 4 million vaccines administered. The mind boggles with them.

VG31 · 29-06-2021 12:05AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Hall not Higgins

questionmark? · 29-06-2021 12:06AM

I thought I couldn't be shocked by NPHET but genuinely dumbfounded, angry, upset and drained by this ****e. 700k,700k! The hell are they on about. This is now bath**** crazy. I really hope bars and restaurants band together an just open. Would only work if they all did it.

VG31 · 29-06-2021 12:08AM

questionmark? wrote: »

I thought I couldn't be shocked by NPHET but genuinely dumbfounded, angry, upset and drained by this ****e. 700k,700k! The hell are they on about. This is now bath**** crazy. I really hope bars and restaurants band together an just open. Would only work if they all did it.

Restaurants in Italy did that late last year I think and the government had to give in.

accensi0n · 29-06-2021 12:09AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Don’t forget that indoor pints are being legally served already!!!

Huh?

namloc1980 · 29-06-2021 12:09AM

accensi0n wrote: »

Huh?

Hotels

Gael23 · 29-06-2021 12:10AM

Degag wrote: »

Thinking optimistically....

Government will have to be aware that if they pull the plug on 5th July, the outrage will probably be the worst yet and will likely lose alot of what support they have left.

They might not go with the nuclear option because of this.

This is a good point.
I think the government have little choice but to go against Tony on this.
Vaccinations will collapse, Dublin airport will be overrun and businesses will close left right and centre of they accept it

Van.Bosch · 29-06-2021 12:18AM

VG31 wrote: »

Sorry - should have said Quinn not Higgins. The poster said they felt dirty agreeing with David (Quinn).

Klonker · 29-06-2021 12:22AM

Everyone needs to email every TD in your area from every party. Their seats are all they care about.

A protest needs to be organised for this Saturday. I really think 10s of thousands would attend one in Dublin at this stage.

ionnn · 29-06-2021 12:23AM

These ridiculous projections from NPHET would be funny if it wasn't for their devastating impact on the country.

selassie · 29-06-2021 12:26AM

One of the worst parts of all of this is all the opposition backing NPHET at every turn no matter what. 0 room for nuance or discussion, what Tony says goes for them.

Muahahaha · 29-06-2021 12:30AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Last winter when it was pretty grim we came nowhere near having 700k cases in any 3 month period. Yet this is now their worst case scenario in the summer of nearly 8,000 cases PER DAY with millions of vaccine dished out and much more to come. Something isn't right here. Their modelling is a load of bunk or they are grossly incompetent.

Im confused by the 700k number too as it just seems insane. But Im also wondering did they change the modeling to reflect that info that came out of Australia about the Delta variant being extremely transmissible, as in 10 or 15 seconds contact with someone and you could be infected.

Thats the only way I can think they are coming out with this 700k figure, they think if we open up at the same time there is a much more transmissible variant then it will rage through society.

Im not arguing for it, just speculating maybe that is their thinking and they changed their modelling to suit that scenario

29-06-2021 12:30AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

If Holohan doesn't go over this, or if at the VERY least NPHET aren't put back into their box then it's hard to see how FF or FG can have any credibility here.

Tony/NPHET have thrown their toys out of the pram tonight with projections NO ONE seems to believe, and effectively said that the vaccination program is pointless (which WILL have knock-on effects for those who are hesitant or outright against them).

If Micheal (or more likely Leo and elements within FF making demands in the background) doesn't act decisively here to restore order and Government authority we could be seeing an election very soon I reckon.

I wish you were right. I can't see any discord among the Irish people or within Leinster House being great enough to bring about change

Chivito550 · 29-06-2021 12:41AM

The modelling for the Delta variant in Ireland shows shocking rises in the worst-case model, which one informant described as “grim and alarming” and another said would be “like an invasion.”

OK, there's definitely trolling going on at this point!

Loafing Oaf · 29-06-2021 12:45AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

If Holohan doesn't go over this, or if at the VERY least NPHET aren't put back into their box then it's hard to see how FF or FG can have any credibility here.

Tony/NPHET have thrown their toys out of the pram tonight with projections NO ONE seems to believe, and effectively said that the vaccination program is pointless (which WILL have knock-on effects for those who are hesitant or outright against them).

If Micheal (or more likely Leo and elements within FF making demands in the background) doesn't act decisively here to restore order and Government authority we could be seeing an election very soon I reckon.

How would this situation going to trigger an election?If there is as strong public opposition to the NPHET line as youn claim, wouldn't that be an incentive to push the election out as far as possible?

Sobit1964 · 29-06-2021 12:46AM

Suspect they will 'unlock' as planned, and receive great claps on the back and cheers from the proles.

One or other of the indistinguishable fat red faced cockwombles will then take over until the original forgettable red faced master cockwomble comes back into his position of being a tw*t.

Prove me wrong.

JRant · 29-06-2021 12:51AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Government should let stuff open as planned and if case numbers/hospitalizations/deaths begin to rise as rapidly as Nphet are suggesting then close them again.

Nphet clearly live in cuckoo land a lot of people aren't bothering with restrictions anymore and case numbers are stable , theres very few people in hospital , little or no deaths , nearly 4 million vaccines administered. The mind boggles with them.

We need to stay under severe restrictions so we don't have to go back to severe restrictions.

Graham · 29-06-2021 12:51AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

The modelling for the Delta variant in Ireland shows shocking rises in the worst-case model, which one informant described as “grim and alarming” and another said would be “like an invasion.”

OK, there's definitely trolling going on at this point!

There's definitely more to this.

NPHET presented a range of potential scenarios to Government - the most severe of which predicted hundreds of thousands of cases

I doubt it's a coincidence that the leaked details only reference the worst case scenario and none of the others.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings