Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

JRant · 28-06-2021 11:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Long night for everyone so

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1409638866638704641?s=19

They were waiting until after the penalty shootout before starting.

landofthetree · 28-06-2021 11:35PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

How do Nphet justify their advise, how are all the other experts wrong and allowing indoor dining within the eu ?

Our health system is the worst in the EU.

A lot of the people who made such a mess of it are big players in Nphet.

Its like something from a banana republic in central America.

growleaves · 28-06-2021 11:35PM

JRant wrote: »

They were waiting until after the penalty shootout before starting.

Would like to see NPHET go out on penalties.

28-06-2021 11:36PM

I don't know if it's deliberate - I certainly hope it's not - but all NPHET have done tonight is to shatter public confidence in the vaccination programme.

They're saying vaccinations aren't worth a damn and won't save lives.

How is this going to persuade young people - the exact cohort of society we need to persuade to immunise themselves against a disease which will barely affect them, for the wider benefit of society - to get vaccinated?

Vaccines work. They have saved lives and they will save more lives in the weeks and months to come.

NPHET is no longer fit for purpose. They should be politely thanked for their efforts (while noting that not a single member of NPHET has lost a brass cent in pay while demanding a generation of young people and small businessmen give up their livelihoods) and disbanded.

Secondly - there are massive political implications here. The Dublin Bay South by-election is going to be held on Thursday week, just three days after the Government will have reneged on their reopening date despite fewer than twenty people being seriously ill with this virus.

The likelihood is that there will be a backlash against the Government as a result. The loss of this safe seat will lead to serious questions within Fine Gael about Leo Varadkar's leadership, coming as it does after he led Fine Gael to a catastrophic general election result, losing a quarter of all their seats in the Dáil.

The Tánaiste will likely be digesting this latest demand from NPHET and their conclusion that Ireland is the only country in Europe where the Indian variant requires a continued ban on the operation of many businesses - and recalling that the three-week lockdown in December is now entering its eighth month.

I suspect the only way that there will not be a massive public backlash to this is if the Government announce a concrete, pre-August, date for the lifting of all restrictions, and that NPHET will be disbanded on that date.

KrustyUCC · 28-06-2021 11:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Beyond crazy is one phrase for it

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1409640551067000832?s=19

yes i'd use much stronger language only I'd get banned lol

Those tweets are on point

mad how the government can't see just how ludicrous the NPHET models predictions are

The HorsesMouth · 28-06-2021 11:38PM

NPHET are practically begging government to make their own decision with that letter.
Government wanted to hide behind NPHET all week saying "we will be led by the data and what NPHET recommend". Well Tony and the other boys and girls said well here you are..hide behind this!!

_Kaiser_ · 28-06-2021 11:38PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Disband Nphet.

Outsource the job to people outside of ISAG and Nphet.

Outsource it to people with no connection to or vested interest in this State.

As with most things here, it's the only way we might see some change/real improvements.

Zebra3 · 28-06-2021 11:38PM

If this bull**** is accepted by the cowards in government, I’d say there’s a strong possibility of the vaccine rollout out collapsing.

People just won’t bother their holes getting done. And why should they? Starting to see my own shots as a compete and utter waste of time.

Aside from that, we can look forward to incredible tax rises and the likes of IW and the what’s left of the family silver being sold off if this crap is rubber stamped.

If I was 20 years younger, I’d emigrate.

For those saying NPHET have their jobs to do, that is correct. But these figures bare no relation to reality. Professionals following the science? Do me a favour. You’d roll your eyes at secondary school kids handing in a project with those figures.

dominatinMC · 28-06-2021 11:39PM

It would be a small bit of solace if this decision were the one which ended the polarisation and division in society over the restrictions and actually galvanised people together.

The backlash could be severe for the government. We've a nation watching more-or-less full stadia across Europe. The UK (apparently so much more worse than us) with concerts, crowds at matches, pubs, restaurants all open, Wimbledon will be full to capacity for the final next week. How long more are people here going to tolerate the patronising "hold firm" bull****. I've never written an email to my local TD but I will be firing out a few tomorrow if what we're led to believe actually transpires.

Lucas Hood · 28-06-2021 11:39PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Absolutely insane idea
Pubs checking green certs? Not even feasible

Denmark have something like this and it supposedly runs well.

It's a digital app on your phone which shows whether you have had a negative test result within the last 72 hours, a certificate of vaccination or proof of a previous infection two to 12 weeks earlier.

Lot of people get tested every 3 days over there so they can go about their business pretty much as normal.

JRant · 28-06-2021 11:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Beyond crazy is one phrase for it

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1409640551067000832?s=19

Higgins is bang on the money there Stephen. Those projections are irresponsible at best. I mean, with nearly 70% of adults with at least one dose, and schools pretty much done now till the end of August, where are these transmission chains going to materialize from?

VG31 · 28-06-2021 11:40PM

Necro wrote: »

But... like...

It will be much much closer to 80% when they're predicting these deaths for, and probably over 50% fully vaxxed

I honestly think they've gone off the deep end with this, it's absolutely batsh1t mental

I've haven't been a fan of NPHET over the last year by any means, but before the worst they could be accused of was excessive, extreme caution. Now they're no better than the covid-deniers and anti-vaxxers. This is Gerry Killeen or Anthony Staines level of craziness.* Their modelling is as if vaccines didn't exist and 4m doses hadn't been given out. It's like saying the vaccines don't work.

*I would have included Sam McConkey here but bizarrely he's actually been a voice of reason recently!

Avon8 · 28-06-2021 11:42PM

There's been a lot of nights now of disbelief and outrage in the past 18 months but this one tops the rest quite comfortably. I can't believe I ever fooled myself into thinking we'd be allowed back to normality

landofthetree · 28-06-2021 11:42PM

https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1409637679713509380

Sofa King Great · 28-06-2021 11:42PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Denmark have something like this and it supposedly runs well.

It's a digital app on your phone which shows whether you have had a negative test result within the last 72 hours, a certificate of vaccination or proof of a previous infection two to 12 weeks earlier.

Lot of people get tested every 3 days over there so they can go about their business pretty much as normal.

It apparently works well but relies heavily on antigen testing which is a bold concept here

Jizique · 28-06-2021 11:43PM

VG31 wrote: »

I've haven't been a fan of NPHET over the last year by any means, but before the worst they could be accused of was excessive, extreme caution. Now they're no better than the covid-deniers and anti-vaxxers. This is Gerry Killeen or Anthony Staines level of craziness.* Their modelling is as if vaccines didn't exist and 4m doses hadn't been given out. It's like saying the vaccines don't work.

*I would have included Sam McConkey here but bizarrely he's actually been a voice of reason recently!

I think they just plan to count everybody who dies as a covid death from now on; their modeling has been completely inaccurate before but this is bat**** crazy

namloc1980 · 28-06-2021 11:43PM

Last winter when it was pretty grim we came nowhere near having 700k cases in any 3 month period. Yet this is now their worst case scenario in the summer of nearly 8,000 cases PER DAY with millions of vaccine dished out and much more to come. Something isn't right here. Their modelling is a load of bunk or they are grossly incompetent.

Jizique · 28-06-2021 11:44PM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1409637679713509380

I feel dirty when I agree with David and McGurk

namloc1980 · 28-06-2021 11:44PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Denmark have something like this and it supposedly runs well.

It's a digital app on your phone which shows whether you have had a negative test result within the last 72 hours, a certificate of vaccination or proof of a previous infection two to 12 weeks earlier.

Lot of people get tested every 3 days over there so they can go about their business pretty much as normal.

They also embrace antigen tests so this system works but Tony and NPHET say no to those so non runner here.

agoodpunt · 28-06-2021 11:44PM

Interesting peice about Israel in the last 24 hours it seems the delta can infect after 2 doses AZ or pfizer and can be aymptomatic seems more prevalent in younger cohort, worth a read.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/coronavirus-delta-variant-slams-shut-the-reopening-of-israel-to-world/news-story/f02e7b028a898acb2b72db95e56a2385

Richard Hillman · 28-06-2021 11:45PM

I'm half hoping this is all a silly ploy to try and make Micheal Martin look strong by ignoring them.

They usually have everything leaked to the media at this stage before telling us small folk.

28-06-2021 11:45PM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1409637679713509380

I've never agreed with David Quinn on anything.

On this, he is 100% unquestionably right.

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2021 11:47PM

That David Quinn tweet really rings it home tbh. It’s actually completely unbelievable.

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2021 11:49PM

I also think this is the first time in the whole pandemic everyone has been in agreement btw

28-06-2021 11:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I also think this is the first time in the whole pandemic everyone has been in agreement btw

If this is so abundantly clear, which it is -- will Fianna Fail really decide to opt with NPHET advice rather than what common sense and the general population want?

Richard Hillman · 28-06-2021 11:51PM

NPHET think that if go for an indoor pint, we'll be out there licking door handles and having thousand strong orgies. Even then their numbers wouldn't add up. It's ****ing bonkers.

Necro · 28-06-2021 11:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I also think this is the first time in the whole pandemic everyone has been in agreement btw

*Checks reported posts*

BigMo1 · 28-06-2021 11:52PM

I’m genuinely flabbergasted by this tonight. Do they really take the Irish public for being this stupid & naive? This is a whole new level of arrogance. As soon as that letter was published, NPHET should have immediately been relieved of their duties. They’re clearly out of touch with reality. I’d love to see the reaction to this from other EU states, I’m sure they’re curled up laughing at us.

funnydoggy · 28-06-2021 11:53PM

agoodpunt wrote: »

Interesting peice about Israel in the last 24 hours it seems the delta can infect after 2 doses AZ or pfizer and can be aymptomatic seems more prevalent in younger cohort, worth a read.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/coronavirus-delta-variant-slams-shut-the-reopening-of-israel-to-world/news-story/f02e7b028a898acb2b72db95e56a2385

Paywall - can you post please?

Sounds pretty okay though if it's the younger cohort and largely asymptomatic.

Sobit1964 · 28-06-2021 11:55PM

Given that there is now a broad agreement that the boffins in NPHET are raving conspiracy theorists...

What else might they have got wrong and tainted along the way?

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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