Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That explains why Micheal Lehane said 'several' weeks. Clearly didn't define what they meant. Christ.

Went onto say mood from government is to put a date on it and that they aren't exactly happy with the letter

Leftwaffe

2170 deaths in August & September. How is that? Thats around 35/40 a day I think. Who are the people dying?

Do these vaccines not work? I know there will be breakthrough cases but 2 thousands plus deaths is surely not right.

JRant

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Daniel McConnell on the tonight show saying the NPHET letter doesn't give a date for hospitality and that government are angry about the lack of clarity in the letter.

He also says the letter says, 2170 deaths could be reported across August and September which would put schools at risk in September.

I really don't know where they're getting this from

The only way that becomes a reality is if the vaccines don't work at all.

Fils

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Went onto say mood from government is to put a date on it and that they aren't exactly happy with the letter

Tony has rubber stamped it and buried it.

gozunda

JRant wrote: »

And no other country in Europe has added as much to their national debt as we have so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

No? It's fairly clear tbh

First - whether you loath them or love them or don't give a monkeys - Nphets remit is public health nothing else

Secondly Irelands had a large public debt pre covid - and that hasn't changed

The previous poster stated that "We are now the most indebted nation in Europe.."

Not so. Currently we are no 18 in relation to the level of national debt in the EU.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/274179/national-debt-in-eu-countries/

No one denies Ireland has racked up significant additional debt during Covid as has every other EU country.

In March of this year an Irish Times article forcasted that " Ireland to have highest debt per head in Europe this year"

I can find no recent confirmation of that forecast.

Do you have a link detailing "no other country in Europe has added as much to their national debt"?

Approx. 90% of deaths are over age 65, most of whom are actually over 80. Median age of death is 82, I believe?

If all of the most vulnerable have been double jabbed, which they have been, then the risk to the unvaccinated cohort is very small indeed.

Even then, most of the over 40s have received at least 1 jab, which DOES confer significant protection (40-60% is not 'low').

What the hell are NPHET doing?

Indestructable

If FG pulled out of Government and triggered an election in protest they would probably mop the floor with FF.

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

Approx. 90% of deaths are over age 65, most of whom are actually over 80. Median age of death is 82, I believe?

If all of the most vulnerable have been double jabbed, which they have been, then the risk to the unvaccinated cohort is very small indeed.

Even then, most of the over 40s have received at least 1 jab, which DOES confer significant protection (40-60% is not 'low').

What the hell are NPHET doing?

They don't believe in the vaccines at all is the only take from it.

GooglePlus

namloc1980 wrote: »

They don't believe in the vaccines at all is the only take from it.

Don't let that be your take from it, please.

ACitizenErased

What McDonnell said on the Tonight Show made me think at what stage will the government actually disband NPHET. It's not a permanent committee and I wonder will the next few weeks signal the end of it.

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What McDonnell said on the Tonight Show made me think at what stage will the government actually disband NPHET. It's not a permanent committee and I wonder will the next few weeks signal the end of it.

Government have been hiding behind NPHET. Why would they suddenly disband it?

Fils

eskimohunt wrote: »

Approx. 90% of deaths are over age 65, most of whom are actually over 80. Median age of death is 82, I believe?

If all of the most vulnerable have been double jabbed, which they have been, then the risk to the unvaccinated cohort is very small indeed.

Even then, most of the over 40s have received at least 1 jab, which DOES confer significant protection (40-60% is not 'low').

What the hell are NPHET doing?

Busy counting their massive salaries.

ingo1984

gozunda wrote: »

No? It's fairly clear tbh

First - whether you loath them or love them or don't give a monkeys - Nphets remit is public health nothing else

Secondly Irelands had a large public debt pre covid - and that hasn't changed

The previous poster stated that "We are now the most indebted nation in Europe.."

Not so. Currently we are no 18 in relation to the level of national debt in the EU.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/274179/national-debt-in-eu-countries/

No one denies Ireland has racked up significant additional debt during Covid as has every other EU country.

In March of this year an Irish Times article forcasted that " Ireland to have highest debt per head in Europe this year"

I can find no recent confirmation of that forecast.

Do you have a link detailing "no other country in Europe has added as much to their national debt"?

We have the highest debt per capita.

namloc1980

GooglePlus wrote: »

Don't let that be your take from it, please.

Where else are they coming up with 2k+ deaths in the next 2-3 months from?? What's the explanation?

MOR316

eskimohunt wrote: »

Government have been hiding behind NPHET. Why would they suddenly disband it?

If they want to save their political futures, it's in their best interest.

If they go through with this, it's a long way back

gozunda

Necro wrote: »

The leaks always have been utterly pathetic tbh.

Why they can't keep their mouths shut until they actually make a decision instead of kite-flying and leaking things in a drip drip fashion (which by it's very nature is going to annoy a vast amount of people) is beyond me.

As far as I can see - most "leaks" are journos with verbal diarrhea and often have little relation to knowing anything for certain.

I think the usual formula is take a story - take a stab at what might happen based on whats likley and / or or what's happening elsewhere and call it a verified leak. Tbh - Its not like it can be refuted until an actual announcement has been made. Newspapers/ media get more sales and clicks. Wash and repeat.

SnuggyBear

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Government have been hiding behind NPHET. Why would they suddenly disband it?

It's such a perfect arse covering setup

GooglePlus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Where else are they coming up with 2k+ deaths in the next 2-3 months from?? What's the explanation?

Nobody knows, but I wouldn't say they consider the vaccines ineffective. It's clearly a blown up worst case scenario, sure we can see in the UK that it's mainly those without a vaccination that are being seen coming through the hospital doors.

Fils

SnuggyBear wrote: »

It's such a perfect arse covering setup

Is their a treat of penetration?

ACitizenErased

MOR316 wrote: »

If they want to save their political futures, it's in their best interest.

If they go through with this, it's a long way back

It has to happen eventually, my question was just general, when do they actually want to disband it. If they completely disagree with what they're saying (for the 2nd/3rd time) maybe now is the time for something less powerful.

el Fenomeno

MOR316 wrote: »

If they want to save their political futures, it's in their best interest.

If they go through with this, it's a long way back

It's not a long way back.

It's 4 years back, because that's what we do.

FF mess up, we vote back in FG.

FG mess up, we vote back in FF.

Rinse and repeat.

namloc1980

SnuggyBear wrote: »

It's such a perfect arse covering setup

And only costs a few tens of billion of euro and let the Irish people pay for it all while you retire on a golden pension into the sunset. Actually sounds like a scam.

RoryMac

gozunda wrote: »

As far as I can see - most "leaks" are journos with verbal diarrhea and often have little relation to knowing anything for certain.

I think the usual formula is take a story - take a stab at what might happen based on whats likley and / or or what's happening elsewhere and call it a verified leak. Tbh - Its not like it can be refuted until an actual announcement has been made. Newspapers/ media get more sales and clicks. Wash and repeat.

The leaks after NPHET have met and passed their advice onto the Gov are generally spot on, what the Gov do with that advice can be different as it was in the run up to Christmas

the kelt

Seen tonight With the level of vaccines in wales (with indoor dining open for weeks) deaths are now roughly 1 death in every 958 cases yet nphet are predicting what, 35/40 deaths per day tonight if we ease restrictions!!

Is there no one to question this, yes I know Wales have more vaccinated but the levels and numbers still aren’t stacking up, not even close!

What’s going on?

MOR316

el Fenomeno wrote: »

It's not a long way back.

It's 4 years back, because that's what we do.

FF mess up, we vote back in FG.

FG mess up, we vote back in FF.

Rinse and repeat.

Yeah true...

landofthetree

gozunda wrote: »

No? It's fairly clear tbh

First - whether you loath them or love them or don't give a monkeys - Nphets remit is public health nothing else

Secondly Irelands had a large public debt pre covid - and that hasn't changed

The previous poster stated that "We are now the most indebted nation in Europe.."

Not so. Currently we are no 18 in relation to the level of national debt in the EU.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/274179/national-debt-in-eu-countries/

No one denies Ireland has racked up significant additional debt during Covid as has every other EU country.

In March of this year an Irish Times article forcasted that " Ireland to have highest debt per head in Europe this year"

I can find no recent confirmation of that forecast.

Do you have a link detailing "no other country in Europe has added as much to their national debt"?

Per head we are the most indebted.

GooglePlus

GooglePlus wrote: »

Nobody knows, but I wouldn't say they consider the vaccines ineffective. It's clearly a blown up worst case scenario, sure we can see in the UK that it's mainly those without a vaccination that are being seen coming through the hospital doors.

2,200 deaths across August and September, is NPHETs worst case scenario.

That's 1,100 deaths across August, let's say.

That would be the equivalent of 14,300 deaths in the UK in August -- or 476 deaths per day. Half of the peak of when there were no vaccines.

Today, the UK had 3 COVID-19-related deaths and 23,000 new cases -- with the Indian variant spreading wildly over the past couple of weeks.

NPHET need a drink, in a pub.

JRant

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Went onto say mood from government is to put a date on it and that they aren't exactly happy with the letter

Maybe the government should put a date on it. Would be a novel idea for the government to actually commit to something.

namloc1980

GooglePlus wrote: »

Nobody knows, but I wouldn't say they consider the vaccines ineffective. It's clearly a blown up worst case scenario, sure we can see in the UK that it's mainly those without a vaccination that are being seen coming through the hospital doors.

Ok the vaccines work. Who are the 2k people dying in the next 3 months in their view? Unvaxxed young people? Where's the evidence for this?

Fils

el Fenomeno wrote: »

It's not a long way back.

It's 4 years back, because that's what we do.

FF mess up, we vote back in FG.

FG mess up, we vote back in FF.

Rinse and repeat.

Sinn Fein will do a once off interruption on that now.