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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #6362
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Sorry now everyone but NPHET ARE A FÛCKING JOKE!!! Playing and toying with peoples livelihoods! Enough is enough! If anyone agrees with NPHET ye are just as bad. It’s a power trip and the government are cowards!

    https://twitter.com/micheallehane/status/1409605857977962497?s=21

    “They are predicting an increase in deaths and hospitalisations,” said a senior source. “It is very alarming.”

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-warns-delta-variant-could-infect-thousands-per-day-in-august-leading-to-a-peak-of-deaths-40591171.html


  • #6363
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    wadacrack wrote: »
    “They are predicting an increase in deaths and hospitalisations,” said a senior source. “It is very alarming.”

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-warns-delta-variant-could-infect-thousands-per-day-in-august-leading-to-a-peak-of-deaths-40591171.html

    The deaths at their peak has to be fiction?


  • #6364
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Ah well. Fcuk it anyway.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #6365
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    So, it seems indoor dining will be allowed to all who are fully vaccinated - presumably you'd show your HSE card?

    https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1409604121657815045


  • #6366
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yeah, RIP all the staff dropping like flies working with indoor dining and drinking in hotels.

    Those brave brave souls,I salute you


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  • #6367
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    Ah well. Fcuk it anyway.

    Precisely my thoughts


  • #6368
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    Is there anybody left here that can defend this absolute nonsense from nphet?


  • #6369
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    wadacrack wrote: »
    “They are predicting an increase in deaths and hospitalisations,” said a senior source. “It is very alarming.”

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-warns-delta-variant-could-infect-thousands-per-day-in-august-leading-to-a-peak-of-deaths-40591171.html

    Oh my god
    The modelling for the delta variant in Ireland shows shocking rises in the worst-case model, which one informant described as “grim and alarming” and another said would be “like an invasion.”

    Fatalities and hospitalisations will approach, but not meet, the chaos and harrowing caseload seen in January, ministers are warned.

    Any source for these models I wonder

    The vaccine mustn’t work if deaths will approach January levels soon

    There was a few of us called conspiracy nuts when we said this would never end in Ireland until the metrics used to implement restrictions were altered


  • #6370
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    So, it seems indoor dining will be allowed to all who are fully vaccinated - presumably you'd show your HSE card?

    https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1409604121657815045

    Well bollox to that
    Stay in to protect the vulnerable,they said
    And now they are protected,I still have to stay in😡


  • #6371
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    aziz wrote: »
    Well bollox to that
    Stay in to protect the vulnerable,they said
    And now they are protected,I still have to stay in😡

    If its any comfort to you this is one ( older ) fully vaccinated person who feels deeply sorry now for young people . They have done their bit and can take no more and this is all wrong .


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  • #6372
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    NPHET obviously think the vaccines don’t work.


  • #6373
    Royale with Cheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,312 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    There was a few of us called conspiracy nuts when we said this would never end in Ireland until the metrics used to implement restrictions were altered

    It's funny to see the tone in here basically become what the restrictions thread has been since last summer.

    I hated Tony and NPHET before it was cool.


  • #6374
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    NPHET obviously think the vaccines don’t work.

    The vaccines work, the impact of delta on younger people in their worst case projections is questionable to say the least. Yes hospital numbers would increase, but to the same level or near to as Janaury, nah that's highly unlikely


  • #6375
    Avon8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Avon8


    wadacrack wrote: »
    “They are predicting an increase in deaths and hospitalisations,” said a senior source. “It is very alarming.”

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-warns-delta-variant-could-infect-thousands-per-day-in-august-leading-to-a-peak-of-deaths-40591171.html

    This is so utterly pathetic. Our literal next door neighbours have thousands of cases per day which can accurately inform as to expected hospitalisation and deaths and theirs are relatively flat.

    They are treating the government and the public as complete morons


  • #6376
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Royale with Cheese wrote: »
    It's funny to see the tone in here basically become what the restrictions thread has been since last summer.

    I hated Tony and NPHET before it was cool.

    I think NPHET are getting their last hooray and government will disband them especially with J&J and AZ approved for 18-40 year olds. It’s over! They just can’t hack it. The peak deaths thing is their psychotic episode before they get ****ed


  • #6377
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    So, it seems indoor dining will be allowed to all who are fully vaccinated - presumably you'd show your HSE card?
    Great news for those businesses who would be affected. Should have been planned for months ago.

    It'll be interesting to see if the "reopen" group support this. I suspect they won't be happy.

    I'd estimate we're only a few weeks away from everyone being offered a vaccine, and if J&J becomes available in pharmacies it would be great news.


  • #6378
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Oh my god



    Any source for these models I wonder

    The vaccine mustn’t work if deaths will approach January levels soon

    There was a few of us called conspiracy nuts when we said this would never end in Ireland until the metrics used to implement restrictions were altered

    My first thought too, they’re saying that the vaccines don’t work!
    It would be interesting to know how they have characterised the delta variant in this model, given that the latest data from the uk seems to show that the vaccines work better against it than the older variants. Methinks they have given it superpowers, just out of a sense of caution perhaps.


  • #6379
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The vaccines work, the impact of delta on younger people in their worst case projections is questionable to say the least. Yes hospital numbers would increase, but to the same level or near to as Janaury, nah that's highly unlikely

    Why are they lying?

    They have data from Phe

    I'm sick of them


  • #6380
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    hmmm wrote: »
    Great news for those businesses who would be affected. Should have been planned for months ago.

    It'll be interesting to see if the "reopen" group support this. I suspect they won't be happy.

    I'd estimate we're only a few weeks away from everyone being offered a vaccine, and if J&J becomes available in pharmacies it would be great news.

    What are you plucking your estimates from knowing we have 1 million citizens under 15? Or 1.65 million under 25

    Is it safe to assume you mean 2 weeks when you reference a few weeks?


  • #6381
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    It would be funny if it wasn't so mind boggingly fxcking stupid


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  • #6382
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    What are you plucking your estimates from

    Out of his hole like the rest of the “experts” in this shambles


  • #6383
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The vaccines work, the impact of delta on younger people in their worst case projections is questionable to say the least. Yes hospital numbers would increase, but to the same level or near to as Janaury, nah that's highly unlikely

    No Stephen it’s not questionable, it’s absolutely dishonesty and lies and incredibly irresponsible public health messaging which will diminish the effects of public health messaging in future

    What will it take for some to eventually remove the blinkers regarding nPHEt


  • #6384
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Stheno wrote: »
    Why are they lying?

    They have data from Phelps
    What's Phelps?

    Just doing a back of an envelope calculation. In the most recent wave about 1.5% of 15-44 year olds diagnosed with Covid were hospitalised (2.49% for 35-44 year olds) (https://publicpolicy.ie/papers/the-pandemic-one-year-on-trends-and-statistics-between-three-waves-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-ireland/)

    Let's assume we undercounted everything, and there were twice as many cases - that's a 0.75% hospitalisation rate. If we assumed 500,000 cases of Delta in unvaccinated people in that group, in a relatively short period, that's (if I'm right) 3,750 people in hospital.

    It's not trivial, I can understand why they might be cautious until they have more information.


  • #6385
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,956 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    CruelSummer wrote:
    He should have introduced antigen testing to help set up events like gigs, people’s attendance at matches.
    He can't introduce anything, when are people going to understand that. All he can do is advise the government.


  • #6386
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    hmmm wrote: »
    Great news for those businesses who would be affected. Should have been planned for months ago.

    It'll be interesting to see if the "reopen" group support this. I suspect they won't be happy.

    I'd estimate we're only a few weeks away from everyone being offered a vaccine, and if J&J becomes available in pharmacies it would be great news.

    The ‘reopen’ group. Dear lord.


  • #6387
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    hmmm wrote: »
    What's Phelps?

    Just doing a back of an envelope calculation. In the most recent wave about 1.5% of 15-44 year olds diagnosed with Covid were hospitalised (2.49% for 35-44 year olds) (https://publicpolicy.ie/papers/the-pandemic-one-year-on-trends-and-statistics-between-three-waves-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-ireland/)

    Let's assume we undercounted everything, and there were twice as many cases - that's a 0.75% hospitalisation rate. If we assumed 500,000 cases of Delta in unvaccinated people in that group, in a relatively short period, that's (if I'm right) 3,750 people in hospital.

    It's not trivial, I can understand why they might be cautious until they have more information.

    Hmmm seriously this letter is a farce and a power struggle really isn’t it? How can they come to a conclusion that It’ll lead to peak cases and deaths? They’re playing us for fools! You know as well as I do a lot of people watch the numbers daily and see no rise in cases or hospitalisations! They’re playing their last card and getting the most out of it.


  • #6388
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    hmmm wrote: »
    What's Phelps?

    Just doing a back of an envelope calculation. In the most recent wave about 1.5% of 15-44 year olds diagnosed with Covid were hospitalised (2.49% for 35-44 year olds) (https://publicpolicy.ie/papers/the-pandemic-one-year-on-trends-and-statistics-between-three-waves-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-ireland/)

    Let's assume we undercounted everything, and there were twice as many cases - that's a 0.75% hospitalisation rate. If we assumed 500,000 cases of Delta in unvaccinated people in that group, in a relatively short period, that's (if I'm right) 3,750 people in hospital.

    It's not trivial, I can understand why they might be cautious until they have more information.

    You had to bring in 500k cases in a short period of time to make your argument substantial. Jesus this really is weak.


  • #6389
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    You had to bring in 500k cases in a short period of time to make your argument substantial. Jesus this really is weak.
    If you want to contribute anything to this thread other than insults please feel free.

    How many cases would you estimate based on your knowledge of Delta, and how did you arrive at that number?


  • #6390
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    I’d say the PUP will last forever


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  • #6391
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    hmmm wrote: »
    If you want to contribute anything to this thread other than insults please feel free.

    How many cases would you estimate based on your knowledge of Delta, and how did you arrive at that number?

    How in the name of god did you arrive at 500k?


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