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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #6332
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It and it isn't a defence but how many shots is enough shots?

    as many as can be administered before that date


  • #6333
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    as many as can be administered before that date
    And if that's not considered enough by that date, will they recommend another 3 weeks? There really has to be an end date otherwise NPHET are going to end up living up to the very negative view that people have of them.


  • #6334
    jakiah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Following the UK.
    But we are miles behind the UK with reopening, how would we be following them?


  • #6335
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jakiah wrote: »
    But we are miles behind the UK with reopening, how would we be following them?
    We are basically following their plan and as they pushed the date out we may well follow them.


  • #6336
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    jakiah wrote: »
    But we are miles behind the UK with reopening, how would we be following them?
    Whatever about re-opening, we're miles behind them in vaccinations.


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  • #6337
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    as many as can be administered before that date

    Why that date ? And not this date ?


  • #6338
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    'Mix and match' jabs study finds combination of Oxford and Pfizer vaccines creates robust immune response

    "People who have been double-dosed with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine could have a stronger immune response if they were given a different jab as a booster, a leading scientist has said.

    Professor Matthew Snape from the Oxford Vaccine Group said the "mix and match" approach may result in additional protection against coronavirus. He made the comments following the results of a clinical trial comparing the current UK strategy of giving two doses of either the AstraZeneca or Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines against a combination of the two jabs.

    Results showed people who received the AstraZeneca vaccine first, followed four weeks later by a Pfizer dose, produced antibody levels nine times higher than those given two doses of the Oxford jab"


  • #6339
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Micheal Lehane
    NPHET advice described as “very sobering” in regards to the potential impact of the delta variant

    Id say that all but confirms a delay announcement tomorrow.

    Shin


  • #6340
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Why that date ? And not this date ?

    Because that the date at which there is no point in restrictions any more. As the country with which we share a land border released all restrictions, including mask wearing and social distancing. But until that point I think that it’s probably defensible to maximise our protection against that.

    3 weeks from now and it’s all over


  • #6341
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    shinzon wrote: »
    Micheal Lehane



    Id say that all but confirms a delay announcement tomorrow.

    Shin

    We may tell the rest of Europe our expert's as always accurate projections. I'm sure they'll all follow suit and close their indoor dining and pubs and even nightclubs in some cases.


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  • #6342
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because that the date at which there is no point in restrictions any more. As the country with which we share a land border released all restrictions, including mask wearing and social distancing. But until that point I think that it’s probably defensible to maximise our protection against that.

    3 weeks from now and it’s all over
    It is important that comes across and that it's not just another wait and see date. That certainty that hospitality are looking for will be needed for the rest of the economy very soon.


  • #6343
    VG31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭VG31


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because that the date at which there is no point in restrictions any more. As the country with which we share a land border released all restrictions, including mask wearing and social distancing. But until that point I think that it’s probably defensible to maximise our protection against that.

    3 weeks from now and it’s all over

    There's been a significant difference in restrictions between NI and here for months now. Even if NI drop all restrictions in 3 weeks, I would be shocked if the government followed even a month after that.


  • #6344
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    shinzon wrote: »
    Micheal Lehane



    Id say that all but confirms a delay announcement tomorrow.

    Shin




    Thursday you mean?


  • #6345
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Thursday you mean?
    No, Martin has said they will announce tomorrow. Cabinet meeting in an hour.


  • #6346
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, Martin has said they will announce tomorrow.


    Oh, I wasn't aware of that! Thanks :)


  • #6347
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    shinzon wrote: »
    Id say that all but confirms a delay announcement tomorrow.

    Shin
    Probably.

    Restricting indoors dining to vaccinated people would be a very sensible compromise, but we are too precious to do that. Not sure what you can do to protect staff however.

    If the modelling says that increased indoors activity would potentially lead to overwhelmed hospitals the government has no choice. It's been very disappointing to see politicians and other influential figures suggesting otherwise.

    Hopefully we have some sort of weekly update of the models now, as the point isn't far away where we will be able to safely reopen.


  • #6348
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    hmmm wrote: »
    Probably.

    Restricting indoors dining to vaccinated people would be a very sensible compromise, but we are too precious to do that. Not sure what you can do to protect staff however.

    If the modelling says that increased indoors activity would potentially lead to overwhelmed hospitals the government has no choice. It's been very disappointing to see politicians and other influential figures suggesting otherwise.

    Hopefully we have some sort of weekly update of the models now, as the point isn't far away where we will be able to safely reopen.

    How do you explain this though?

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1409593538791325698?s=19


  • #6349
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stheno wrote: »
    How do you explain this though?

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1409593538791325698?s=19
    That generalised indoor dining will not happen just yet? People would be known at a wedding.


  • #6350
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That generalised indoor dining will not happen just yet? People would be known at a wedding.

    50 people could literally be 20 households indoors for hours on end?


  • #6351
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stheno wrote: »
    50 people could literally be 20 households indoors for hours on end?
    Sure, but they are known individuals and it would be like a giant bubble. A restaurant could have that many and more, each day. I'm just explaining BTW. I'd rather see it all open next week.


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  • #6352
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    hmmm wrote: »
    Probably.

    Restricting indoors dining to vaccinated people would be a very sensible compromise, but we are too precious to do that. Not sure what you can do to protect staff however.

    Yeah, RIP all the staff dropping like flies working with indoor dining and drinking in hotels.


  • #6353
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    If the models (of hospitalisations) say we can reopen we should be reopening. If they say we can't, we can't. I see this as a very binary thing.

    You can say the models are crap, but they are all we have and we have to base our decisions on something. The government ignored the models at Christmas, and they turned out to actually underestimate what would happen.

    I'm hoping tomorrow to see a set of very boring slides talking about models, and no faffing around with anything else. Once we're at the point where the models show we can safely reopen I can't think of a reason why we wouldn't.


  • #6354
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, they are at under 50% in vaccinations and they can see how Europe and the US are doing so it's not all that surprising.

    They are actually ahead of Ireland and most of Europe in vaccinations. 50% is of the total population.


  • #6355
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yeah, RIP all the staff dropping like flies working with indoor dining and drinking in hotels.
    In fairness, my point was that even if we reopened indoors to vaccinated people, we'd also have to consider what the impact would be on staff. I wasn't dismissing them.


  • #6356
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    So NIAC are saying Aztra can be given to under 40s, and also with the 2 doses only 4 weeks apart.

    That's some change. Is it based on vaccine data, or political persuasion?

    Irish Times suggesting it could help with keeping July 5th or thereabouts..


  • #6357
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Lot of people dont care anymore and have made lifestyle and carreer adjustments.
    Most rural towns have backdoor access to local bars for those who want
    The new normal will be dictated by our health service resource no more waiting on trollies offset with restrictions.
    I am not totally uneffected when i am here in ireland but I do appreciate freedoms outside ireland always was, we just accept to much state interferience what is in govt is even worse in opp bench.
    Major urban centers will degrade and airlines will provide less service ticket prices will rise for sure, UK will give access to longhaul.


  • #6358
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Would be irrational to open indoor dining at this stage for a number of reasons.

    Healthcare system not functioning properly due to a cypher attack.
    2 Dose vaccinations in the 60-70 age not at a high enough percentage.
    Europeans countries are likely to bring in retrictions soo, its expected .
    Acting quickly now will make living with this new variant more sustainable in the future.


  • #6359
    VG31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭VG31


    hmmm wrote: »
    In fairness, my point was that even if we reopened indoors to vaccinated people, we'd also have to consider what the impact would be on staff. I wasn't dismissing them.

    What about the hospitality staff everywhere else in the EU? Are you saying every other country doesn't care about them?


  • #6360
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    VG31 wrote: »
    What about the hospitality staff everywhere else in the EU? Are you saying every other country doesn't care about them?
    That's their problem, I'm not going to be comfortable eating or drinking indoors unless I felt the staff were happy to be there.

    In saying that once I'm vaccinated I'd be happy to eat indoors. We have the opposite problem from last year where many people (fully vaccinated) are actually over-estimating the risk from Covid.


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  • #6361
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Sorry now everyone but NPHET ARE A FÛCKING JOKE!!! Playing and toying with peoples livelihoods! Enough is enough! If anyone agrees with NPHET ye are just as bad. It’s a power trip and the government are cowards!

    https://twitter.com/micheallehane/status/1409605857977962497?s=21


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