Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

the kelt wrote: »

North Korea’s issues lie in the fact the people suffer at the whim of one person or group of persons. They impose their fears, beliefs and concerns on the people.

Coming up to the 5th of July, If we see data, numbers etc staying broadly the same in regards to the virus yet ignore “following the science” and keep current restrictions in place due to the “concerns” of one or a few people then I would consider that to be something akin to what the North Korea get up to wouldn’t you agree?

Thankfully however I don’t see that happening and to be fair people on both sides of the pro/anti restrictions have said the same on here. Numbers being admitted to hospitals/icu etc dont back up not easing restrictions further so let’s hope it remains that way.

North Korea again.

Ye're really not doing yere selves any favours.

People just laugh at ye, and rightly so.

zackory wrote: »

Here you go...

Is Ireland doing it? As if.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/17/uk-to-begin-worlds-first-covid-human-challenge-study-within-weeks

Thanks for that, yeah it seemed really odd that Ireland would be pioneering anything

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

So according to you we should conduct a massive medical experiment on our younger population by exposing them to an extremely damaging novel virus they are unvaccinated for.

Sounds a bit, well, North Korean.

Boards must be broken again this morning. This post has come from early-mid 2020

Y'know... Back when we knew very little about this virus, who was most at risk, how dangerous it actually was, etc and we were seeing very worrying pictures from China and Italy etc.

Of course, since then we know that thankfully only a very small number of people are actually at any real potential risk, that younger people are at even less risk, and that decreases again the younger they are.

We also know that despite increases and obsession over case numbers, these don't translate directly into hospitalisations and even where they do the outcome is overwhelmingly positive.

Of course some people have unfortunately died with (but not necessarily from) Covid in the last 15 months, but thankfully only a very small number when viewed in the context of time elapsed and population size. Most of these would have had or been susceptible to serious complications which further reduces the actual numbers of previously completely healthy people who died with it, although this did happen - albeit in thankfully small enough numbers to be considered outliers.

The reality of course is that while each death is sad regardless, more people have died from non-Covid-related causes in even 3 months than over an entire year than from/with Covid. People do and will die unfortunately, but we haven't yet discovered a cure for that or a road to immortality.

Another difference since 2020 of course is the vaccines and the point that we have now almost entirely vaccinated those who would actually be at most risk and are now down to giving healthy people in their early 40s/30s their first jab (I myself am around 1-2 weeks from my second I reckon).

As such, while covid is certainly a significant risk to some people, thankfully the majority of people in Ireland are not at that same risk and will suffer no long term effects even if they do get it - or indeed even realise they have/had it without a test telling them so.

The final point of course is that a country and society is not a theoretical model or lab environment. There are a myriad of other factors that must be taken into consideration of the health of the nation as a whole - economic, social, civil rights and freedoms to name a few, and of course other health issues and needs of citizens - and this is something that has been hugely neglected over the last 12 months in particular.

TL/DR : your post may have held some validity in March/April 2020 when we still knew very little about what we were facing, but it has no relevance a year later I'm afraid.

zackory wrote: »

Do you do anything other than rant nonsense?

People have mobile devices, they could be anywhere.

People might be working, and dossing at the same time;););)

But keep going, best get all the anger off your chest in one go.

You and your lot are the people that are angry, not me!

Hence the "North Korea" rants.

Now that you're suddenly claiming you're not angry, I presume you'll have no problem with our common sense public health restrictions continuing so!

That was easy.

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You and your lot are the people that are angry, not me!

Hence the "North Korea" rants.

Now that you're suddenly claiming you're not angry, I presume you'll have no problem with our common sense public health restrictions continuing so!

That was easy.

Interesting so do you think personally the rest of Europe is not following public health restrictions.

Headline on 12 o'clock news on Newstalk

GP talking about holding firm for 3-4 weeks delay to allow for more vaccinations

Sure why not 3-4 months just to be sure to be sure?

Stheno wrote: »

Immunologist in that article saying indoor hospitality should only reopen when 80^ of adults are fully vaccinated

So nothing less than full here immunity before indoor dining

Stheno wrote: »

Immunologist in that article saying indoor hospitality should only reopen when 80^ of adults are fully vaccinated

May I suggest that the immunologist stays at home whilst the rest of us who want get on with our lives including going for a meal/drink indoors do so. Absolute joke.

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

400,000 people in the UK have had Long Covid symptoms for a year or more.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-57555941

Your thinking is the sort of thinking referenced here.

https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1406726617523703809

I wouldn't believe a word Deepti says. She is ISAGE, pretty much the equivalent of a Tomas Ryan or Gerry Killeen over here.

prunudo wrote: »

Serious question, what do the likes of the cmo and others pushing the idea of delaying indoor dining, expect to happen if it goes head on July 5th?
Most people older than 35 will have at least one jab, the vulnerable are vaccinated, hcw are vaccinated, hospital numbers are minuscule. If opening indoor dining now while still mandating mask wearing and social distancing while moving about is so risky now and they are so afraid of even the slightest chance if contracting the virus, how can we ever expect to return to some what normality any time soon.

They expext party central with everyone singing/dancing/hugging etc and it will spread the virus and overun the hospitals

Pure elitism bull****

kwestfan08 wrote: »

I’d just love to know what the risk appetite was for people who want restrictions to continue in pre covid days. Like did they not drive as that is significantly more dangerous than catching covid and could be seen as risky when you see our road fatalities and such.

To me living comes with just an inherent risk attached and with pretty much all the vulnerable having at least one does of vaccine it’s surely time to say maybe we just live with the chance that maybe you get covid but for the most part you’ll be fine.

Yeah life is about risks

How many of us visited the UK/Europe back in the mid 2010s when you could of been blown to smithereens

You could die in a plane crash
Plenty of more examples

prunudo wrote: »

Serious question, what do the likes of the cmo and others pushing the idea of delaying indoor dining, expect to happen if it goes head on July 5th?
Most people older than 35 will have at least one jab, the vulnerable are vaccinated, hcw are vaccinated, hospital numbers are minuscule. If opening indoor dining now while still mandating mask wearing and social distancing while moving about is so risky now and they are so afraid of even the slightest chance if contracting the virus, how can we ever expect to return to some what normality any time soon.

Afaik the general idea is that we get a majority of all adults vaccinated here. Thereby significantly reducing the ability for the virus to spread (including those who choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason or those who are yet to be vaccinated or fully vaccinated)

Whether anyone agrees with or otherwise with it - it's much the same reasoning being used for holding off on the removal of restrictions in the UK.