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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #8312
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Hard to believe we are going to delay reopening indoor hospitality just because our CMO sent an unsubstantiated tweet. Crazy stuff altogether.

    Wait til he gets international travel in his sights next.


  • #8313
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    While I'm firmly in the anti-restriction and 'we-have-gone-bonkers' camp for a long time now I will get worked up over a delay of relaxation of restrictions when it actually happens.

    We know our mainstream media have gone off a cliff for some time now. I wont get worked up over every idiot who gets a voice there.


  • #8314
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    While I'm firmly in the anti-restriction and 'we-have-gone-bonkers' camp for a long time now I will get worked up over a delay of relaxation of restrictions when it actually happens.

    We know our mainstream media have gone off a cliff for some time now. I wont get worked up over every idiot who gets a voice there.

    Yeah, this is sensible. I still expect that the removal of restrictions will happen as originally planned. Hope I'm right.


  • #8315
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Avon8 wrote: »
    At this current point in time, it means that the oldest (and most vulnerable) of society get vaccinated much quicker in our country than compatriots, due to the low average age of our adult population. So when compared with Spain for example, 40% full vaccination should have a much greater proportion of the vulnerable vaccinated (or all the vulnerable vaccinated in our case) in the younger country than in the older country. The vulnerable therefore have much less chance of catching the virus. Our unvaccinated are all young, and therefore of little to no risk.

    You would therefore assume that country A, with the younger population, would have less restrictions due to the lack of vulnerable people. However nightclubs are soon opening in Barcelona and we're not allowed 6 people inside a restaurant for 90 mins in mid July

    Not quite. The soundbite about a young population was being used prior to our vaccination rollout. It also does not stand up to scrutiny.

    You say "Our unvaccinated are all young, and therefore of little to no risk."

    Not so. Those under the age of 65 previously made up approx 50% of all those in hospital with covid prior to the start of the vaccine programme here.

    Even presently where younger individuals become infected but may only have a mild illness - there remains the not inconsiderable risk of spread to friends and family members of all ages - including those who have just one dose of vaccine (66% of all adults) and those of a range of younger age groups that have none

    As to the nightclub comparisons etc - I believe its been pointed out '- practically every country in Europe has taken its own direction with regard to covid and restrictions. Spain has only recently decided to remove their restriction regarding the mandatory wearing of masks in all outdoor settings. Something we never had here. If as you say they have an older vulnerable cohort still to be fully vaccinated- then surely restriction such as that would not have been rescinded?


  • #8316
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I guess the vintners court case is going ahead now


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  • #8317
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Klonker wrote: »
    Thise groups or HSE should lobby government. It's not up to HSE to tell the church what they can do.

    Nothing to do with me ....

    You asked
    if the HSE have a problem with it take it up with Government. Not their place to be advise directly on this.

    From the article - it details that the HSE were responding to " to queries from teachers, councillors, and members of the public, and based on that the rate of infection remains high with special concern around the spread of the Delta variant; that many parents have not been vaccinated; and (due to) many enquires to the HSE asking for their recommendation”.

    Not sure I'd call that lobbying tbh. Make a complaint to the ombudsman perhaps on this if you think those people were wrong to ask the HSE in the region affected.


  • #8318
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    gozunda wrote: »
    Nothing to do with me ....


    You asked

    From the article - it details that the HSE were responding to " to queries from teachers, councillors, and members of the public, and based on that the rate of infection remains high with special concern around the spread of the Delta variant; that many parents have not been vaccinated; and (due to) many enquires to the HSE asking for their recommendation”.

    Not sure I'd call that lobbying tbh. Make a complaint to the ombudsman perhaps on this if you think those people were wrong to ask the HSE in the region affected.


    Did I say it had anything to do with you? :confused:

    I didn't call that lobbying :confused:

    I've no problem with them asking for a recommendation which is what it says they did in that article. HSE contacting the church is not a recommendation.

    I know it's late but not one bit of your post made any sense :)


  • #8319
    mcsean2163
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    gozunda wrote: »
    Yup the difference between total and adult population has been well discussed already. And "adult" by definition includes everyone over 18.

    Highlighted bit. I've seen this variously posted. How does the percentage of population who are younger - actually prevent older cohorts contracting covid?

    As to " Median Mortality" - you're out of step if you think mortality is the only metric which is relevant. Pre vaccination rollout - At least 50% of covid related hospitalisations were made up of those under the age of 65

    But perhaps more importantly - not everyone who died was 83 - some were younger some were older. Median in this case simply means the age which 50% of people die prior to reaching that age and which 50% of people  will live past.

    Are you serious? Driving is way more dangerous for the under 45 category and yet.... people drive.


  • #8320
    mcsean2163
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    growleaves wrote: »
    It isn't to late to reject the normalisation of lockdown imo.

    When people are like 'Hey guys its a pandemic, this is routine' they are simply lying. Lockdowns to contain the spread of illness never existed prior to 2020, they are the creation of Communist governments - particularly China but also the defunct Soviet Union. Before that, the only lockdowns happened in Nazi-occupied countries. For instance France was locked down from 1940 to 1942.

    We borrowed Xi's clothing, they fit perfectly because there are so many stone-hearted double-talkers in the West. If there had been a 'climate lockdown' emergency declared instead they would have talked gibberish about CO2 for 16 months. 'It isn't safe, the CO2 levels are still too high'

    Also f you to all the people who are engaged in this kind of micro swab counting. 'Hey guys 312 swabs today' That is a kind of narcissism, you are not an amateur statistician, you are a fool looking at life through a microscope while missing the big picture.

    There's no evidence that social isolation can stop the spread of a respiratory illness. Researchers in NYC have admitted the lockdown there may have increased infections by forcing so many people to cluster in together in cramped apartments.

    I haven't seen a friend of mine since last July. She has done nothing but hide for the last 12 months, seeing 1-2 family members only and going food shopping. She came down with vomiting bug (Norovirus) the other day and had to be hospitalised for it.

    Most people don't seem to care anymore. I've felt it too... beaten. I lost my job in January/ February but didn't apply for PUP this time and have been a stay at home Dad since.

    For a lot of people I know, WFH means no commute and better care for young children. For others PUP is more than they got after paying for the childminder. For some government workers it's a great opportunity to do whatever they want.

    For a large segment, pre covid19 was **** and covid19 may even be moderately better. For healthcare workers, they really don't want another covid19 outbreak.

    There's probably enough of a population happy with the status quo.

    I just can't understand why the government is allowing it to continue. It's completely unaffordable, we've spent the most in EU on covid19. We're going bankrupt.

    Worse, this normalisation of lockdown is insane. Enough is enough. Time to move on.


  • #8321
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    MCSean of you aren’t or pup or supports be sure and still register for your stamps (for pension etc down the line) and perhaps your partner can avail
    Of your tax credits etc.


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  • #8322
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Klonker wrote: »
    Did I say it had anything to do with you? :confused:I didn't call that lobbying :confused:

    I've no problem with them asking for a recommendation which is what it says they did in that article. HSE contacting the church is not a recommendation.

    I know it's late but not one bit of your post made any sense :)

    Ah now klonker tbf you did state
    Klonker wrote:
    Thise groups or HSE should lobby government. It's not up to HSE to tell the church what they can do.

    That was addressed to my previous comment and your reference to lobbying was that they should be lobbying the government (inter alia as opposed to the HSE). But no they weren’t telling anyone - rather it was a response by the HSE to the queries detailed.

    But ah my bad no worries ;)


  • #8323
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    mcsean2163 wrote: »
    Are you serious? Driving is way more dangerous for the under 45 category and yet.... people drive.

    Edit.

    But I've no idea what any of that has got to anything to do with my previous comment. But no matter.


  • #8324
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Klonker wrote: »
    Thise groups or HSE should lobby government. It's not up to HSE to tell the church what they can do.

    Wonder will the resistance come out of left field?

    If they disregard HSE advice entirely and press on full speed with confirmations and communions it might be enough to get me back to mass.

    Joking aside though - ironic if the church challenge the oppression of the practice of their faith, having been active oppressors in the recent past, but they have form. It could be enough to loosen the hold the government have allowed the health authorities to have over policy and public opinion.


  • #8325
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    gozunda wrote: »

    Driving is a bit of a daft analogy tbf. Driving is something people choose to do - I don't know anyone of any age who chooses to get covid

    I do, quite a few in their late teens who are looking at the green cert and figuring that it’s worth having a mild cold to save over 100 euros. Makes sense too, in the midst of this nonsense.


  • #8326
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Multipass wrote: »
    I do, quite a few in their late teens who are looking at the green cert and figuring that it’s worth having a mild cold to save over 100 euros. Makes sense too, in the midst of this nonsense.

    ? Do you mean people getting the EU Digital Covid Certificate for travel?

    But no "having a mild cold to save over 100 euros" makes no sense

    Because covid is not a "mild cold" regardless of the symptoms which you may be lucky or unlucky to get and really I've no idea how choosing to get Covid would "save 100 euros"


  • #8327
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Multipass wrote: »
    I do, quite a few in their late teens who are looking at the green cert and figuring that it’s worth having a mild cold to save over 100 euros. Makes sense too, in the midst of this nonsense.

    Approval has been given for an initial trial that will involve up to 90 carefully screened, healthy, adult volunteers aged between 18 and 30. They will be exposed to the coronavirus in a safe, controlled environment. It is hoped further trials will follow.


  • #8328
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    gozunda wrote: »
    ?

    Have sniffles, can travel


  • #8329
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Multipass wrote: »
    Have sniffles, can travel

    Lol. Well no. If you have sniffles and test positive pre travel - you won't be travelling at all ;)


  • #8330
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I despair.
    We aren't that far off from herd immunity but yet I look on in astonishment at how we are compared to the rest of the EU.
    I have zero faith in that government actually being able to drive the country back to where it was a mere 2 years ago.
    A shambles from start to finish.
    It would sicken you to watch each day showing more and more desperate news. To the point you'd swear we are the new Bergamo.
    Then you see tiny numbers in hospital and you wonder hold on, wtf is actually going on?
    Madness, a complete basketcase of a government.
    The new North Korea of Europe.
    **** sake.


  • #8331
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol. Well no. If you have sniffles and test positive pre travel - you won't be travelling at all ;)

    Green cert - look it up.


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  • #8332
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Multipass wrote: »
    Green cert - look it up.

    I'm just impressed you've managed to survey enough teens that would have been funding their own tests and are willing to isolate for a couple of weeks to save €100. Good work.


  • #8333
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Graham wrote: »
    I'm just impressed you've managed to survey enough teens that would have been funding their own tests and are willing to isolate for a couple of weeks to save €100. Good work.

    I’m impressed at the propaganda machine that has managed to convince so many of them that they have the slightest thing to worry about from covid. Other than Granny dying - but granny is now vaccinated and on holiday in Spain.
    No one is isolating, come back to reality.


  • #8334
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Multipass wrote: »
    I’m impressed at the propaganda machine that has managed to convince so many of them that they have the slightest thing to worry about from covid. Other than Granny dying - but granny is now vaccinated and on holiday in Spain.
    No one is isolating, come back to reality.

    People that have covid aren't isolating you say but we should relax restrictions.

    Hmmmm


  • #8335
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Multipass wrote: »
    No one is isolating, come back to reality.

    100%. In fact very few even care anymore about what is now a casedemic, which is why Holohan wants an extension, he wants to stay relevant, once indoor opens its done and he won't be in the limelight.


  • #8336
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Graham wrote: »
    People that have covid aren't isolating you say but we should relax restrictions.

    Hmmmm

    What has isolating or not got to do with relaxing restrictions of not?


  • #8337
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    zackory wrote: »
    What has isolating or not got to do with relaxing restrictions of not?

    Well taking multipass's assertions at face value there are apparently lots of people deliberately catching covid but not isolating.

    TBF I suspect it's mostly bravado talk but if it's not, it's hardly going to help the open everything up argument is it.


  • #8338
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Graham wrote: »
    Well taking multipass's assertions at face value there are apparently lots of people deliberately catching covid but not isolating.

    TBF I suspect it's mostly bravado talk but if it's not, it's hardly going to help the open everything up argument is it.

    It's got nothing to do with opening up.

    If anything it supports it, I mean what is the point in restricting pubs, which are mostly frequented by older (and more likely to be vaccinated at this stage) people anyway.

    The younger crowd are attending house parties the last few months and will continue to do so, restrictions are not.


  • #8339
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Graham wrote: »
    Well taking multipass's assertions at face value there are apparently lots of people deliberately catching covid but not isolating.

    TBF I suspect it's mostly bravado talk but if it's not, it's hardly going to help the open everything up argument is it.

    ‘Lots of people’ was your own addition. I don’t know if lots are deliberately catching covid - I do know plenty that couldn’t care less either way, including myself.
    The vulnerable are vaccinated, that’s as good as it gets. Everything needs to be open right now. The country needs to be taken back from the hypochondriacs.


  • #8340
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Multipass wrote: »
    I’m impressed at the propaganda machine that has managed to convince so many of them that they have the slightest thing to worry about from covid. Other than Granny dying - but granny is now vaccinated and on holiday in Spain..

    I don't know any Grannies exempt from the travel restrictions, obviously they exist in your world where teens are running around licking each other to save €100.

    In reality there's something around three quarters of 60 somethings waiting for their second dose and I don't believe there are hundreds of infected teens roaming the street.


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  • #8341
    Snooker Loopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Multipass wrote: »
    ‘Lots of people’ was your own addition.
    The vulnerable are vaccinated, that’s as good as it gets. Everything needs to be open right now. The country needs to be taken back from the hypochondriacs.

    So according to you we should conduct a massive medical experiment on our younger population by exposing them to an extremely damaging novel virus they are unvaccinated for.

    Sounds a bit, well, North Korean.


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