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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    If that 3.8 million figure and current output is correct then we’ll actually be a good bit higher than where the UK were on the 17th of May which makes things even more bizarre to be honest.

    We're at about 46% total population with at least one dose at the moment, they were at 54%.

    So we need to do around 400k first doses before July 5th to match their rate when they reopened. In 10 days, very not likely.

    (there's some uncertainty over how Janssen is reported)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    walus wrote: »
    I agree, the last 18 months showed how backwater this country really is.

    Yep.

    Could be 10 times as good if we had any level of compatence and intelligent people making decisions.

    Why are our politicians so useless?

    Is it because noone fancies the gig?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Lumen wrote: »
    We're at about 46% total population with at least one dose at the moment, they were at 54%.

    So we need to do around 400k first doses before July 5th to match their rate when they reopened. In 10 days, very not likely.

    (there's some uncertainty over how Janssen is reported)


    We’ve been averaging 40-50 thousand a day for the last month, and the CEO of the HSE has just said above we were north of 50 thousand the last two days. I’m not sure I agree with your math there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    We’ve been averaging 40-50 thousand a day for the last month, and the CEO of the HSE has just said above we were north of 50 thousand the last two days. I’m not sure I agree with your math there.

    Yeah, but second doses.

    In any case, we won't be far off, and maybe our vaccines will work better or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    Lumen wrote: »
    We're at about 46% total population with at least one dose at the moment, they were at 54%.

    So we need to do around 400k first doses before July 5th to match their rate when they reopened. In 10 days, very not likely.

    (there's some uncertainty over how Janssen is reported)

    There's about 3.7m adults in the country and we've 66% given a first dose according to Reid yesterday, so it's around 50% of the total population now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Lumen wrote: »
    We're at about 46% total population with at least one dose at the moment, they were at 54%.

    So we need to do around 400k first doses before July 5th to match their rate when they reopened. In 10 days, very not likely.

    (there's some uncertainty over how Janssen is reported)

    They were the first to do it though, they were the guinea pigs, vaccines work. They were over cautious as they were the first in Europe, so every other country following them could accelerate their plans, which is exactly what has happened in every country bar one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    niallo27 wrote: »
    They were the first to do it though, they were the guinea pigs, vaccines work. They were over cautious as they were the first in Europe, so every other country following them could accelerate their plans, which is exactly what has happened in every country bar one.

    It's a bit early to be making definitive statements about cautiousness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Ireland has also given a lot more Pfizer vaccines than the UK which are more effective against transmission, hospitalisations and death than AZ vaccine. Needs to be accounted for in any comparisons with the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Lumen wrote: »
    It's a bit early to be making definitive statements about cautiousness.

    Its not, indoor dinning is open all over Europe. What's early about it. Uk opened months ago, they are still open.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Klonker wrote: »
    Ireland has also given a lot more Pfizer vaccines than the UK which are more effective against transmission, hospitalisations and death than AZ vaccine. Needs to be accounted for in any comparisons with the UK.

    Especially after first dose.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Klonker wrote: »
    Ireland has also given a lot more Pfizer vaccines than the UK which are more effective against transmission, hospitalisations and death than AZ vaccine. Needs to be accounted for in any comparisons with the UK.

    Good point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Surely our politicians will be embarrassed when the news of our pushing back of reopening indoors is reported internationally when they go on to say we currently have 30 people in hospital. Internationally media will probably think its a mistake and report it as 3,000 :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Lumen wrote: »
    It's a bit early to be making definitive statements about cautiousness.

    It's not really. Name one country in Europe who is closing indoor hospitality at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Klonker wrote: »
    Surely our politicians will be embarrassed when the news of our pushing back of reopening indoors is reported internationally when they go on to say we currently have 30 people in hospital. Internationally media will probably think its a mistake and report it as 3,000 :pac:

    They won't though.

    Only way they would care is if their salaries were hit.

    Which won't happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Govt: "We're concerned about what's happening in the UK".
    UK: Announces 140,000 crowd for the British GP.

    I feel for the businesses who are going to be absolutely devastated by another delay at the height of summer if that's what happens. And I'd be almost certain if there is a delay it'll be until after the August Bank holiday like they did at Easter and June. Devastating. Praying someone sees sense in all this, but not holding out hope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Yep.

    Could be 10 times as good if we had any level of compatence and intelligent people making decisions.

    Why are our politicians so useless?

    Is it because noone fancies the gig?

    Politicians are elected by the people, and the people (at least the majority) are happy to let the country tip away, so that the future is more like the past.
    Unexpected events expose the true fabric of both politicians as well as the society at large. That is what happened with covid, it really showed us who we are as a society.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Sorry, I should have clarified. I live in the UK. So when I said "here" I was referring to the UK and thats why the next line said Ireland.

    I've mixed my dates up, indoor dining opened on May 17 here. UK was at 54% of total population with atleast one dose at that date. Irelands at 66% of adult population right now it seems. I'd imagine thats around 50% of total population or so?


    Atm Irelands at (approx) 66% one dose and 40% two doses of the adult population


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭DJB030244


    Away to Kerry on 28th July for 3 nights - what’s the chances of eating in a nice restaurant outside of the hotel ?
    Can’t fathom sitting in the hotel for 3 nights for food and drink . !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Publicans should nearly be free to bar some of these decision makers from entering pubs/restaurants once things reopen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    DJB030244 wrote: »
    Away to Kerry on 28th July for 3 nights - what’s the chances of eating in a nice restaurant outside of the hotel ?
    Can’t fathom sitting in the hotel for 3 nights for food and drink . !

    If there is a delay I'd say it'll be until after the August Bank holiday. They did that at Easter and June just in case anyone might have too much fun on a Bank holiday weekend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    True leadership would be Michael coming out next week in his speech saying something like:

    “As you know we are very concerned with the delta variant. However, we will proceed with the reopening as planned on July 5th but urge PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY”.

    Absolutely no chance of happening but that’s how it should be done - trust the Irish population for once instead of micromanaging our lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭DJB030244


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    If there is a delay I'd say it'll be until after the August Bank holiday. They did that at Easter and June just in case anyone might have too much fun on a Bank holiday weekend.

    It’s infuriating. I lost my father to Covid in January caught in hospital . Horrible time and last year too . Had booked a lovey favourite restaurant for the weekend too while away . I’d be first to back down after what I saw etc but this is getting ridiculous . Hard enough to switch dates too . I’ll cancel and try to rebook if this happens . What a load of ****e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    I can't believe this is still happening.

    50 at a funeral
    No indoor dining

    The vulnerable are vaccinated.

    Wtaf?

    What country are we living in anymore? I've never thought it before but if there's a protest... Actually, given my wife is a health care worker maybe not but not far off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    gozunda wrote: »
    Atm Irelands at (approx) 66% one dose and 40% two doses of the adult population

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    47.5% of total population but we have the joint youngest population in EU. We've the least amount of vulnerable by age I suppose ....

    The whole thing seems like crazy now. Median mortality age greater than life expectancy etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    mcsean2163 wrote: »

    What country are we living in anymore? I've never thought it before but if there's a protest... Actually, given my wife is a health care worker maybe not but not far off

    For the first time in this I actual would protest. I really hope if a delay is announced for indoors dining that someone who's not an anti vax nut organises a protest in Dublin and I'll 100% go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭darconio


    When we predicted this behavior months ago we were called fear mongers, now I hope it's clear for everybody what to expect.
    And there is still a vast cohort supporting their decisions: how that is possible is beyond me, but yeah I think we deserve it after spending months accepting passively the events. The next few months will be interesting with the flu season knocking at our door, I will be very curious to see what happens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    True leadership would be Michael coming out next week in his speech saying something like:

    “As you know we are very concerned with the delta variant. However, we will proceed with the reopening as planned on July 5th but urge PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY”.

    Absolutely no chance of happening but that’s how it should be done - trust the Irish population for once instead of micromanaging our lives.

    That would be brilliant and would really be getting the government back on people's sides but as you said it won't happen as there scared ****less of a repeat of Christmas

    It's a desperate situation were all going through, ****ijg watching the rest of Europe and the UK getting on with lives and we locked up and not even told whyb


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Klonker wrote: »
    For the first time in this I actual would protest. I really hope if a delay is announced for indoors dining that someone who's not an anti vax nut organises a protest in Dublin and I'll 100% go.

    This. There could be a different form of protest organised. Drive through each town & city of Ireland where people are separated in pods / vehicles. Online live stream. Online petitions. There are other ways to protest besides the usual nonsense troublemaking approach in Dublin. I do not think the population should accept the unacceptable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Date will be pushed out, we'll get a natural drop in numbers anyway due to schools closing then they'll clap themselves on the back for being greats lads.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    Everyone please #holdfirm 3 more weeks and then we can open properly and never look back.

    More likely, stay closed until after bank holiday, review data, delta has gotten worse don’t wanna fook up schools reopening, stay closed until September, delta off the charts as schools reopen, close until October, winter is back, goodnight 2021 and q1 2022.


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