Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

deeperlearning · 24-06-2021 09:20PM

Bellie1 wrote: »

Why is everyone ignoring long covid? Genuine question. The numbers of people , all ages, having long term symptoms is apparently quite high, even when they only mild symptoms. Can't wait until they show that vaccines prevent long term symptoms also, then I'll relax.

The reason we went into lockdown was to prevent hospitals from being overrun with covid patients needing ICU.

If long covid prevents us from re-opening, the next thing is we will have people calling for Christmas to be cancelled due to concerns about the seasonal flu.

castletownman · 24-06-2021 09:26PM

Was told this evening that my local GP had opened up a portal for those over the age of 25 that haven't already been vaccinated. Provided you are on their books, IF there were surplus vaccines you MAY get a call. Essentially a waiting list.

Registered anyway at about 17.25 and less than half an hour later I got a call back for my first appointment for Wednesday week. And my second appointment the first Wednesday in August. Pfizer. I am 33 with no underlying illnes so I assume the timeline isn't much quicker than if I registered on the HSE website, but absolutely delighted to have a definitive date and end game. Although I feel somewhat guilty that I may be skipping the queue.

mightyreds · 24-06-2021 10:18PM

castletownman wrote: »

Was told this evening that my local GP had opened up a portal for those over the age of 25 that haven't already been vaccinated. Provided you are on their books, IF there were surplus vaccines you MAY get a call. Essentially a waiting list.

Registered anyway at about 17.25 and less than half an hour later I got a call back for my first appointment for Wednesday week. And my second appointment the first Wednesday in August. Pfizer. I am 33 with no underlying illnes so I assume the timeline isn't much quicker than if I registered on the HSE website, but absolutely delighted to have a definitive date and end game. Although I feel somewhat guilty that I may be skipping the queue.

I wouldn't I seen a post earlier from a friend who is 22 from the doctor's office where her and her 18 year old sister were getting first doses, I say if the doctors have them let them use them all up.

stephenjmcd · 24-06-2021 10:19PM

mightyreds wrote: »

I wouldn't I seen a post earlier from a friend who is 22 from the doctor's office where her and her 18 year old sister were getting first doses, I say if the doctors have them let them use them all up.

26 myself and got first dose Pfizer from the GP yesterday cause they'd a spare dose.

Seems to be a good bit of it going on alright

landofthetree · 24-06-2021 10:38PM

https://twitter.com/AndrewE_Dunn/status/1408158153552941063

Padre_Pio · 24-06-2021 10:40PM

castletownman wrote: »

Although I feel somewhat guilty that I may be skipping the queue.

Nah, if it was 6 months ago and you were skipping 80 year olds, then maybe. Now you're stopping it from going down the drain.

stephenjmcd · 24-06-2021 10:46PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Nah, if it was 6 months ago and you were skipping 80 year olds, then maybe. Now you're stopping it from going down the drain.

Felt the same myself yesterday tbh because I didn't expect to get it for a few more weeks but the GP said either use it or they'd to bin it as it was drawn up already so the clock was ticking.

I'd rather get it myself than see it binned

Cork2021 · 24-06-2021 11:01PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Felt the same myself yesterday tbh because I didn't expect to get it for a few more weeks but the GP said either use it or they'd to bin it as it was drawn up already so the clock was ticking.

I'd rather get it myself than see it binned

My cousin a HCW got AZ who’s now fully vaccinated got a bit pissy with me yesterday when I told him herself and myself(both 32) were getting our first doses next Thursday through our GP, the GP offered and we ain’t going to refuse.
If it was 3/4 months ago then yes I’d have to think about it as I’d be possibly taking a dose from my cousin or someone vulnerable but that isn’t the case anymore!

Eod100 · 24-06-2021 11:07PM

castletownman wrote: »

Was told this evening that my local GP had opened up a portal for those over the age of 25 that haven't already been vaccinated. Provided you are on their books, IF there were surplus vaccines you MAY get a call. Essentially a waiting list.

Registered anyway at about 17.25 and less than half an hour later I got a call back for my first appointment for Wednesday week. And my second appointment the first Wednesday in August. Pfizer. I am 33 with no underlying illnes so I assume the timeline isn't much quicker than if I registered on the HSE website, but absolutely delighted to have a definitive date and end game. Although I feel somewhat guilty that I may be skipping the queue.

Registration hasn't opened yet for people under 35 and will probably be at least another few weeks so bit ahead alright.

SJFly · 24-06-2021 11:10PM

To get out of this mess we need all vaccinators working at capacity. As gps don't work off the portal, their patient list is the logical way to go.
There is also the added bonus that at least some percentage of the younger age groups are protected and should slow down the spread in those age groups.
It may not be 100% fair, but every vaccine administered is good news.

Probes · 24-06-2021 11:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's no evidence to back this up.

2m in the UK have or had long COVID. It effects 1 in 10 according to the Zoe study, a much higher number than severe cases.

KrustyUCC · 24-06-2021 11:40PM

Sister and I getting second Pfizer next Monday in GP

Dad getting second AZ next Thursday in City Hall Cork

Just over 9 weeks since dose one

Great to have 3/5 in family fully vaccinated next week

Hopefully mom won't be waiting too long for second AZ

ACitizenErased · 24-06-2021 11:41PM

Probes wrote: »

2m in the UK have or had long COVID. It effects 1 in 10 according to the Zoe study, a much higher number than severe cases.

That doesn't prove any of the things you wrote about. You said "having long term symptoms is apparently quite high, even when they only mild symptoms"

Van.Bosch · 24-06-2021 11:57PM

castletownman wrote: »

Was told this evening that my local GP had opened up a portal for those over the age of 25 that haven't already been vaccinated. Provided you are on their books, IF there were surplus vaccines you MAY get a call. Essentially a waiting list.

Registered anyway at about 17.25 and less than half an hour later I got a call back for my first appointment for Wednesday week. And my second appointment the first Wednesday in August. Pfizer. I am 33 with no underlying illnes so I assume the timeline isn't much quicker than if I registered on the HSE website, but absolutely delighted to have a definitive date and end game. Although I feel somewhat guilty that I may be skipping the queue.

How can they have spare doses for Wednesday week already?

ShineOn7 · 25-06-2021 12:01AM

Probes wrote: »

2m in the UK have or had long COVID. It effects 1 in 10 according to the Zoe study, a much higher number than severe cases.

John Campbell (usually very on the ball with stats) said not so long ago it was 1 in 20

So what changed?

What are they counting as Long Covid and what is actually just post viral fatigue that you'd get with many milder viruses?

CruelSummer · 25-06-2021 12:17AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

John Campbell (usually very on the ball with stats) said not so long ago it was 1 in 20

So what changed?

What are they counting as Long Covid and what is actually just post viral fatigue that you'd get with many milder viruses?

A huge percentage of people’s main symptom of ‘Long Covid’ was anxiety and depression. 20% or 1 in 5. Of course taking away one’s freedoms, lockdowns, livelihoods being lost, putting wall to wall Covid doom and gloom on the TV 24-7 has nothing to do with it.

fun loving criminal · 25-06-2021 12:33AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

A huge percentage of people’s main symptom of ‘Long Covid’ was anxiety and depression. 20% or 1 in 5. Of course taking away one’s freedoms, lockdowns, livelihoods being lost, putting wall to wall Covid doom and gloom on the TV 24-7 has nothing to do with it.

Losing your sense of smell and taste for months, of course you will end up depressed.

Turtwig · 25-06-2021 12:58AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

John Campbell (usually very on the ball with stats) said not so long ago it was 1 in 20

So what changed?

What are they counting as Long Covid and what is actually just post viral fatigue that you'd get with many milder viruses?

Stats in relation to anything related to this pandemic are very dynamic.

Long covid can mean different things and can be broadly broken down into four categories:

After effects of ventilation.
Organ and tissue damage from the virus
Post viral fatigue
Covid misc that don't fit into the above e.g prolonged loss of smell or shortness of breath

Some researchers prefer three categories:
Hospitalisations with ventilation
Hospitalisation without ventilation
Non hospitalisation

Both of which have advantages and disadvantages. A bit like some vaccines studies comparing like with like can get very messy.

robinbird · 25-06-2021 01:18AM

SJFly wrote: »

To get out of this mess we need all vaccinators working at capacity. As gps don't work off the portal, their patient list is the logical way to go.
There is also the added bonus that at least some percentage of the younger age groups are protected and should slow down the spread in those age groups.
It may not be 100% fair, but every vaccine administered is good news.

We have large stockpiles of vaccines. Best estimate would be well over a million unused doses of mostly Pfizer..
The MVCs are now at maximum capacity of maybe 300,000 a week. That's not enough.
This is why the HSE is now looking at other means of getting them out. 300 pharmacies will be getting Pfizer deliveries from next week and GPs have been told they can have as many as they want and to give them to whoever they want.

190,000 registered with portal in 35-39 cohort. Less than 50% of those eligible. Possibly because a lot of 30s have already gotten it through GPs. 40s now nearly completed. So expect portal to open for 30 -34 by end of next week..

ShooterSF · 25-06-2021 01:38AM

deeperlearning wrote: »

The reason we went into lockdown was to prevent hospitals from being overrun with covid patients needing ICU.

If long covid prevents us from re-opening, the next thing is we will have people calling for Christmas to be cancelled due to concerns about the seasonal flu.

I guess these are the kind of things we can revise as situations change. Sure we went into lockdown to protect the vulnerable from dying but now we are a few months from vaccinating everyone in the country, something that could not be foreseen at the time and that might mean trying to reduce the number of people who get the disease at all.
If we were another say 2+ years from a vaccine I'd feel we'd need to find a way to "live with covid" but we're in a great position to wipe it from our country and who knows maybe long term our economy (and more importantly people's health) is better for it if it turns out long covid is more serious than we realise.

This is all speculation of course but I think it is healthy to look at alternate points of views rather than what I've seen on boards lately of suspicions of conspiracies to restrict people forever or ruin their pubs (something I work in off topic) if someone is more cautious.

Graham · 25-06-2021 01:51AM

robinbird wrote: »

We have large stockpiles of vaccines. Best estimate would be well over a million unused doses of mostly Pfizer..

Have to ask where you're getting the figures.

Irish Time reports

4,220,570 delivered
3,705,755 administered

That leaves about 500,000 left to cover about 10 days of vaccinations.

robinbird wrote: »

The MVCs are now at maximum capacity of maybe 300,000 a week. That's not enough.

Haven't MVCs already administered in excess of 350k/week?

Isn't the limitation vaccine supply?

lucernarian · 25-06-2021 02:20AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

My cousin a HCW got AZ who’s now fully vaccinated got a bit pissy with me yesterday when I told him herself and myself(both 32) were getting our first doses next Thursday through our GP, the GP offered and we ain’t going to refuse.
If it was 3/4 months ago then yes I’d have to think about it as I’d be possibly taking a dose from my cousin or someone vulnerable but that isn’t the case anymore!

That's a pity, hypothesis outrage is all too prevalent. Your actions did not stop someone more vulnerable from getting a dose at this stage, and you acted the best you could based on the options available to us. Would love if they opened up the possibility for people 18+ to register for vaccines e.g. through doctors, alongside the age-based rollout. If you're desperate to get the vaccine, you probably have actual reasons to be. Living with vulnerable people, working on-site, living with lots of other people etc. I don't think we should continue the age based rollout below age 30 (as the plans for that are already in place) and just open it to 18+ at that stage.

Lumen · 25-06-2021 05:41AM

The latest ECDC data in the EU vaccine tracker is:

Vaccine Delivered Administered
Comirnaty 2,855,970 2,477,533
Janssen 163,100 72,001
Moderna 380,400 317,116
Vaxzevria 821,100 839,105
ALL 4,220,570 3,705,755

OConnorDavid · 25-06-2021 06:44AM

Anyone get a text about an appointment? I'm 38 and registered on Monday. Thanks

JPup · 25-06-2021 06:58AM

OConnorDavid wrote: »

Anyone get a text about an appointment? I'm 38 and registered on Monday. Thanks

There’s a whole separate thread full of people discussing exactly that in the coronavirus forum.

Probes · 25-06-2021 07:28AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That doesn't prove any of the things you wrote about. You said "having long term symptoms is apparently quite high, even when they only mild symptoms"

Obviously all 2m didn't have severe Covid, it seems logical to me anyway. Here is what the nhs say about it, it's not linked to the severity of illness:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/long-term-effects-of-coronavirus-long-covid/

Marcusm · 25-06-2021 07:49AM

Lumen wrote: »

The latest ECDC data in the EU vaccine tracker is:

Vaccine Delivered Administered
Comirnaty 2,855,970 2,477,533
Janssen 163,100 72,001
Moderna 380,400 317,116
Vaxzevria 821,100 839,105
ALL 4,220,570 3,705,755

So we’ve administered more AZ/Vaxzevria that have been delivered. Seems like data integrity is not strong in that report!

Marcusm · 25-06-2021 07:53AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

How can they have spare doses for Wednesday week already?

Because they ordered as many as they think they can get away with. In other industries, it’s called subsidy farming. GPs get paid to administer doses (think it’s €25 per dose plus additional €10 per patient). If you were a GP with a large GMS/medical card list and few cash paying probate patients, why wouldn’t you dedicate yourself to vaccination to generate more money. It’s a breach in spirit but, I suspect, it’s either sanctioned by HSE or a blind eye is cast as it fulfills the need to push doses out into arms. However, does it come at the expense of GO clinics for patients? Is this why Emergency departments are suffering large patient attendance.?

Lumen · 25-06-2021 08:10AM

Marcusm wrote: »

So we’ve administered more AZ/Vaxzevria that have been delivered. Seems like data integrity is not strong in that report!

Well spotted! As far as I know that data is submitted to ECDC by Irish health authorities, and Donnelly has tweeted links to it recently:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1404468576216653830

It also matches (in the aggregate) that reported in the Irish Times according to Graham's post above.

So we're all drinking from the same well of bad data.

xboxdad · 25-06-2021 09:11AM

Qrt wrote: »

Considering I’ve been hearing that vaccination has had a good impact on countering long covid symptoms, I think you can relax a bit.

I think we'll only know in a few years or decades. We can't just assume it'll be grand based on a few months of data.

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