Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Tell me how · 06-06-2021 8:31pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I recall opining that if and when Trump was defeated, there'd be a mass volume of Republicans conducting very public Roads to Damascus, performative acts of hindsight that of course, they always knew that Trump fella was sketchy. Utterly self-serving but at least reflective that reality would move on from such a vulgar demeaning of democratic norms.

I can't believe how wrong I got it: still find it bewildering there are still prominent members of the GOP simply doubling down on support, indulging and normalising in the worst kind on conspiracy. To call it "Shameless" seems almost trite at this stage, yet what else can it be called? The internal polling must say to them, yes, indulge these ... ... well. Deplorables. It was idiotic for Clinton to debase the voting public at the time but at this stage there's a little bit of vindication at play here.

I thought that the day he was clear that he was beaten, that the GOP would cut him loose like a rotten piece of fruit.

But maybe because of the nature of his defeat in that 74M still voted for Trump and it took 4 days for Biden to be declared the winner forcing people to still keep talking like he was their guy and then everything that went on in the weeks and months after that it created a position where he became something they couldn't cut loose without alienating these people.

Detritus70 · 06-06-2021 8:52pm

Tell me how wrote: »

I thought that the day he was clear that he was beaten, that the GOP would cut him loose like a rotten piece of fruit.

But maybe because of the nature of his defeat in that 74M still voted for Trump and it took 4 days for Biden to be declared the winner forcing people to still keep talking like he was their guy and then everything that went on in the weeks and months after that it created a position where he became something they couldn't cut loose without alienating these people.

They're obviously looking at the numbers and calculating how much manipulation and perversion of the rules they need to get him on the throne in 2024.
That has got to be the aim. The ultimate revenge, the ultimate fcuk you to half of America.
All motivated by greed, spite and malice.

jamule · 06-06-2021 10:05pm

Trump will not run again, he is ****ed physically and cognitively. He won't be let out like last night again in a hurry.
But the gop will keep it rumbling until 2024, its all about cultivating the cult for the gop.

Tell me how · 06-06-2021 10:12pm

Detritus70 wrote: »

They're obviously looking at the numbers and calculating how much manipulation and perversion of the rules they need to get him on the throne in 2024.
That has got to be the aim. The ultimate revenge, the ultimate fcuk you to half of America.
All motivated by greed, spite and malice.

They want him on the seat not as a FU or any sort of revenge, but they know he would be extremely favourable to trying to push through every hairbrained GOP initiative they can think of going forward. Image the damage he'd have done with a House and Senate majority also?

jamule wrote: »

Trump will not run again, he is ****ed physically and cognitively. He won't be let out like last night again in a hurry.
But the gop will keep it rumbling until 2024, its all about cultivating the cult for the gop.

I'm inclined to agree with you. He'll keep everyone waiting on tender hooks expecting he'll run but then he could be key in selecting a stand in should Fr Time or the SDNY AG step in and prevent him from running.
Could yet see a Donald Trump on the Ballot in 2024 except not this guy but the one who is much less intelligent if you can imagine that.

Overheal · 07-06-2021 5:22am

Manic Moran wrote: »

Guys, the talk of a coup is hyperbole. Even a sedition attempt is highly unlikely.

It's not normal, and it needs to be censured. That type of talk gets my back up, frankly, and puts the 2nd amendment on my table. Talk like that is a threat to our national security.

Wait, what? You want to substantiate that at all? I mean, sure, there are probably some misguided folks, but the NG is a segment of the population as a whole, with all the good and bad which comes of it. And especially do you want to substantiate that it will affect our actions as instructed by lawful authority?

I think they're referring to the fact the National Guard had to background check everyone in DC back in January. As a result a guardsman or two iirc was removed from duty/reassigned I should say 'out of an abundance of caution' not a prosecution of guilt.

As I recall, the decision to move the DC Guard was made by the Secretary Defense. Operation of the DC Guard is routinely delegated to him (And normally further delegated to Sec Army) from the senior executive. He can be overruled, but I don't recall it ever having been done. However, the gist is correct that the top of the chain is the President, not a Governor or (in this case), Mayor

I'm not getting into the minutiae of what happened that day right now, but can I just say it is infuriating that we still even have to have debates on the finding of facts, conversations are had online everywhere still, and its not based on a common set of established facts, it's this - it's 'as I recall' it's 'some people are saying' or 'I read the other day that' 'I heard earlier,' etc. ? How are there not enough centrists in government to get a commission passed so we can move forward and have conversations about this that substantively matter, by getting on board with a bipartisan consensus on what happened that day? It's like they actively want Americans to break out into Civil War because they can't even agree on who the gd President is supposed to be, much less agree on everything that happened on January 6.

Christy42 · 07-06-2021 10:36am

Manic Moran wrote: »

Yes, but I suspect only for crimes committed whilst on active service. I don't know if there is a regulation to that effect, but I cannot think of a single incidence of a retiree being successfully brought back to face charges stemming from post-service incidents. Larrabee v Braithwaite is currently working its way through the federal courts, the Federal District Court ruled last year that the military could not bring Larrabee back for a court-martial on charges of sexual assault committed after his retirement, even though he technically was still in one of the reserves of the military.

Guys, the talk of a coup is hyperbole. Even a sedition attempt is highly unlikely.

Wait, what? You want to substantiate that at all? I mean, sure, there are probably some misguided folks, but the NG is a segment of the population as a whole, with all the good and bad which comes of it. And especially do you want to substantiate that it will affect our actions as instructed by lawful authority?

As I recall, the decision to move the DC Guard was made by the Secretary Defense. Operation of the DC Guard is routinely delegated to him (And normally further delegated to Sec Army) from the senior executive. He can be overruled, but I don't recall it ever having been done. However, the gist is correct that the top of the chain is the President, not a Governor or (in this case), Mayor

This is the Donald Trump thread. The man incited one (bad) coup attempt and believes another will put him back into power in a few months. It is still relevant.

Itssoeasy · 07-06-2021 1:22pm

I don’t understand how the GOP in their heart of hearts think having Donald trump back out talking is a good idea. If he was capable of staying on message that’d be one thing, but we know he’s utterly incapable of doing that. And we saw during the Georgia senate run offs last January that trump talking hurt the GOP turnout and if the GOP keep the line that there was concerns about voting then they are likely to hurt their own voters turn out, because why would they vote in elections they are being told are corrupt and not on the level ?

briany · 07-06-2021 1:36pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I don’t understand how the GOP in their heart of hearts think having Donald trump back out talking is a good idea. If he was capable of staying on message that’d be one thing, but we know he’s utterly incapable of doing that. And we saw during the Georgia senate run offs last January that trump talking hurt the GOP turnout and if the GOP keep the line that there was concerns about voting then they are likely to hurt their own voters turn out, because why would they vote in elections they are being told are corrupt and not on the level ?

The GOP have not proffered a single political candidate who can take over from Trump. There are a litany of people in the party who appear to be positioning themselves for this but none of them have the full suite of Trumpian attributes - one's crazy, one is not politically correct, one panders to the lowest common denominator, another's a former successful businessman, another has a brand beyond politics, etc. etc. Trump is a perfect storm that a more obedient replacement cannot just usurp because that person does not yet exist. Given the cult of personality that Trump has managed to create, the Republican heads are too scared not be seen to publicly support him, lest they lose a massive chunk of voters and/or get primaried.

Manic Moran · 07-06-2021 3:32pm

Overheal wrote: »

I'm not getting into the minutiae of what happened that day right now, but can I just say it is infuriating that we still even have to have debates on the finding of facts, conversations are had online everywhere still, and its not based on a common set of established facts, it's this - it's 'as I recall' it's 'some people are saying' or 'I read the other day that' 'I heard earlier,' etc. ? How are there not enough centrists in government to get a commission passed so we can move forward and have conversations about this that substantively matter, by getting on board with a bipartisan consensus on what happened that day? It's like they actively want Americans to break out into Civil War because they can't even agree on who the gd President is supposed to be, much less agree on everything that happened on January 6.

Well, in this case, it was because I was working from memory, not having taken a few minutes before posting to verify that my memory was correct. Not least because Pence was not in the chain of command and had no authority on the matter anyway.

However, given it's caused you some consternation, I've now done my fact-checking, it turns out my recollection is indeed correct, and I can now remove the qualification.

EltonJohn69 · 07-06-2021 3:40pm

briany wrote: »

The GOP have not proffered a single political candidate who can take over from Trump. There are a litany of people in the party who appear to be positioning themselves for this but none of them have the full suite of Trumpian attributes - one's crazy, one is not politically correct, one panders to the lowest common denominator, another's a former successful businessman, another has a brand beyond politics, etc. etc. Trump is a perfect storm that a more obedient replacement cannot just usurp because that person does not yet exist. Given the cult of personality that Trump has managed to create, the Republican heads are too scared not be seen to publicly support him, lest they lose a massive chunk of voters and/or get primaried.

It’s Don jr time. With Sr. As vice

briany · 07-06-2021 6:07pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

It’s Don jr time. With Sr. As vice

I don't get the impression that Don Jr. is all that seriously interested in getting in that particular race at this point in his life, having only taken over the family enterprise a few years ago. But I think that Congresspeople can own businesses in addition to their role in Washington. You could have Don Jr. in the House and Ivanka in the Senate. I'm not saying this a nice thought, but from the Trump perspective, it would be achievable.

amandstu · 07-06-2021 6:38pm

briany wrote: »

I don't get the impression that Don Jr. is all that seriously interested in getting in that particular race at this point in his life, having only taken over the family enterprise a few years ago. But I think that Congresspeople can own businesses in addition to their role in Washington. You could have Don Jr. in the House and Ivanka in the Senate. I'm not saying this a nice thought, but from the Trump perspective, it would be achievable.

That is true Caligula had his horse made a Senator:)

gimli2112 · 07-06-2021 9:28pm

amandstu wrote: »

That is true Caligula had his horse made a Senator:)

I think it's unfair on Caligula to make any comparison between the two.

Itssoeasy · 07-06-2021 10:25pm

CNN has new audio of a 2019 phone call from Rudy Giuliani to the Ukrainian government about pushing the Ukraine meddling in the 2016 election and to open investigations into the bidens.

EltonJohn69 · 07-06-2021 10:38pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

CNN has new audio of a 2019 phone call from Rudy Giuliani to the Ukrainian government about pushing the Ukraine meddling in the 2016 election and to open investigations into the bidens.

....... but what about Hillary’s emails ?

Itssoeasy · 07-06-2021 11:00pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

....... but what about Hillary’s emails ?

Speaking of emails it seems that mark meadows the former chief of staff was in contact with the acting AG about launching an investigation into a theory that Italian satellites in some way were able to alter voting machines to change votes from trump to Biden. It’s ****ing nuts.

amandstu · 07-06-2021 11:16pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Speaking of emails it seems that mark meadows the former chief of staff was in contact with the acting AG about launching an investigation into a theory that Italian satellites in some way were able to alter voting machines to change votes from trump to Biden. It’s ****ing nuts.

Have they launched an investigation into whether there was any collusion between Biden junior and the mysterious unexplained sightings of fast moving alien aircraft over American skies recently?

Muahahaha · 07-06-2021 11:36pm

Tell me how wrote: »

It was said on here many times last year that if the lead up to elections in a country in Africa or South America had been surrounded with the same concerns about the attempts to influence the result as we saw in the US, the UN and America itself would have been talking about sending observers to ensure everything was above board.

Just on South America I was reading how one of the subscribers to the Trump playbook Jair Bolsonaro has recently relaxed laws that made it difficult to buy guns whilst also verbally encouraging his supporters to go out and buy them. His supporters have been arming themselves to the teeth and forming militias much like is seen in the US with the OathKeepers, 3%ers, etc. Bolsonaro has also repeated Trumps claims that the 2020 US election was stolen. His own re-election is due next year so it seems he is already laying the groundwork for what happens in the aftermath if he loses it which at the moment looks likely, his approval rating is in the tank at just 24%.

Interestingly Trumps first major milestone to make his comeback is having a good showing from candidates who he endorses and campaigns for during the mid term elections, which are scheduled for November 4th 2022. Just 4 weeks prior on October 8th Brazil goes to the polls to make a decision on Bolsonaro. If he loses its pretty certain that he will try to overthrow the election results and some sort of Captiol riot event in Brazil seems inevitable. That would make for a very interesting backdrop to the US mid terms just a few weeks later.

PropJoe10 · 08-06-2021 12:19am

I've said it before, but it continues to be quite remarkable how far these people were willing to go to indulge the idiotic whims of Trump, a born liar and utter spoofer. There is literally not a spine between the lot of them.

briany · 08-06-2021 1:06am

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I've said it before, but it continues to be quite remarkable how far these people were willing to go to indulge the idiotic whims of Trump, a born liar and utter spoofer. There is literally not a spine between the lot of them.

I was listening to Dave Mcwilliams' podcast a while ago and he made an interesting point on the difference between left and right wing politics. The right is much more concerned with power for the sake of power and much less concerned with ideological purity than the left is. It seems to be bearing out with the current rise of populism and demagoguery - the more traditional Conservative politicians are not speaking out, but are going along with it all, for the most part.

expectationlost · 08-06-2021 1:21pm

Gen. Charles Flynn, Brother of Former National Security Adviser, Takes Reins of US Army Pacific https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/06/07/gen-charles-flynn-brother-of-former-national-security-adviser-takes-reins-of-us-army-pacific.html https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1402238141365473287

Manic Moran · 08-06-2021 4:02pm

expectationlost wrote: »

Gen. Charles Flynn, Brother of Former National Security Adviser, Takes Reins of US Army Pacific https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/06/07/gen-charles-flynn-brother-of-former-national-security-adviser-takes-reins-of-us-army-pacific.html https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1402238141365473287

To my knowledge, he's a good officer and experienced in the area, to include a tour of duty as deputy commander US Army Pacific. His most recent position in DC had him running the Army's reconfiguration, announced Oct last year, which seems to be being well received.

Any reason to believe he's not sufficiently competent and experienced enough to do the job beyond the fact that, like a lot of folks in the Army (given what happened the last time), he was twice shy over sending troops in to DC for more law enforcement?

Tell me how · 08-06-2021 4:16pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

To my knowledge, he's a good officer and experienced in the area, to include a tour of duty as deputy commander US Army Pacific. His most recent position in DC had him running the Army's reconfiguration, announced Oct last year, which seems to be being well received.

Any reason to believe he's not sufficiently competent and experienced enough to do the job beyond the fact that, like a lot of folks in the Army (given what happened the last time), he was twice shy over sending troops in to DC for more law enforcement?

If only there was an investigation in to what happened that day and just who made decisions and when and why they did so such reasons might be uncovered.

But, as we have seen that isn't going to happen.

That aside, given the importance of such positions and the sentiments expressed by his brother, I don't think it would be a stretch to consider that someone could either be of a similar mindset to them, or that they might not act entirely objectively should they need to in a situation in which their bother was either involved or had strong opinions on.

expectationlost · 08-06-2021 4:34pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

To my knowledge, he's a good officer and experienced in the area, to include a tour of duty as deputy commander US Army Pacific. His most recent position in DC had him running the Army's reconfiguration, announced Oct last year, which seems to be being well received.

Any reason to believe he's not sufficiently competent and experienced enough to do the job beyond the fact that, like a lot of folks in the Army (given what happened the last time), he was twice shy over sending troops in to DC for more law enforcement?

putting optics before need

Brian? · 08-06-2021 4:36pm

If you have access to CNN US, good time to watch. They're about to play the audio of Rudy twisting then arm of the Ukraine government to announce an investigation into Biden

Manic Moran · 08-06-2021 4:56pm

expectationlost wrote: »

putting optics before need

They were "needed" the last time as well.

It's not exactly a condemnation to have a senior officer who doesn't like the idea of military personnel getting involved in domestic law enforcement.

Christy42 · 08-06-2021 5:03pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

They were "needed" the last time as well.

It's not exactly a condemnation to have a senior officer who doesn't like the idea of military personnel getting involved in domestic law enforcement.

We can discuss this around to death.

The main facts are that the capitol was not well defended from a violent mob that was known to be travelling to DC for that day and had many posts about being ready for violence available online. Certainly no guarantee of violence and no one should start it but a good reason to be prepared. Potentially a better prepared second line of defense could have been an option, presumably law enforcement know of a better way.

They got far too close to their intended targets of elected officials. They got access to elected officials offices. This provides the issue of security for potentially sensitive documents.

You can defend or condemn individuals based on what we know but we do know that someone messed up but we don't seem to have a complete knowledge of what went on.

Turns out what we really need is an investigation into what happened. Until then if someone who is voicing a preference for violent insurrection has a brother in a position of power that day then they will have a cloud hanging over them until a proper investigation is done.

Itssoeasy · 08-06-2021 7:30pm

briany wrote: »

I was listening to Dave Mcwilliams' podcast a while ago and he made an interesting point on the difference between left and right wing politics. The right is much more concerned with power for the sake of power and much less concerned with ideological purity than the left is. It seems to be bearing out with the current rise of populism and demagoguery - the more traditional Conservative politicians are not speaking out, but are going along with it all, for the most part.

Which was said out loud by former Secretary of State James baker in a documentary about the 2000 US election when he recounted the conversation he had with the bush staff in Florida after he was sent there to oversee the recount. He said they do everything by the book but also said “do you want to be ideological pure, or do you want to win ?” and I’ve heard it said on a podcast about the same election that republicans didn’t “care if they were seen as hypocrites, they wanted to be in power.”

The democrats really don’t have the same attitude and indulge in ideological purity tests and seem to be of the belief that they can use the same playbook all over America and that the voters will just flock to them, which is either unbelievable naive or arrogant or a mixture of both.

looksee · 13-06-2021 11:04pm

Bit of an aside, but He Hasn't Gone Away. On the contents page of MSNBC currently 20 of the items/headlines include Trump's name. Only 12 mention Biden. I'll bet he is sitting there counting mentions too.

EltonJohn69 · 14-06-2021 12:27am

looksee wrote: »

Bit of an aside, but He Hasn't Gone Away. On the contents page of MSNBC currently 20 of the items/headlines include Trump's name. Only 12 mention Biden. I'll bet he is sitting there counting mentions too.

Yeah they need to stop.

StringerBell · 14-06-2021 7:33am

Tbf MSNBC is close enough to the left wing Fox, both of them make the most hay off trump so your gonna have to put up with him a lot from them.

The thing is though, he genuinely is still relevant because he is not elected and less visible but unquestionably the head of the party and most influencial right wing politician in the US. He really is a one off in terms of what he is able to absorb and feel very little damage with his fans they are so conditioned.

Biden would for sure love for him to be in the rear view but I actually do think it's important they pursue him for his crimes, plenty of other democratic nations are able to convict former leaders and survive, what happened with Nixon shouldn't happen again it sets a terrible precedent id they look at everything that happened because of trump or that he directed and say, okay let's just all agree not to do it again.

There has to be consequences, look how emboldened that party is with literally changing laws to suit the agenda in the wake of 2020 when they actually did well as a party.

Quin_Dub · 14-06-2021 9:27am

looksee wrote: »

Bit of an aside, but He Hasn't Gone Away. On the contents page of MSNBC currently 20 of the items/headlines include Trump's name. Only 12 mention Biden. I'll bet he is sitting there counting mentions too.

I've said this before , but a key difference is that we are hearing ABOUT Trump , but we're really not hearing a whole lot FROM Trump anymore.

He is still very relevant in terms of the current State of the GOP and of course the multiple court cases and the recent exposure of the DOJ subpoenas etc.

But what we are not getting is the constant barrage of his lies and obfuscation multiple times a day.

looksee · 14-06-2021 9:30am

I absolutely agree that Trump and his legacy needs to be dealt with, I also see that 'Trump' is clickbait (it works on me

). Still it would be better if his name were not so readily tossed around.

EltonJohn69 · 14-06-2021 9:35am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I've said this before , but a key difference is that we are hearing ABOUT Trump , but we're really not hearing a whole lot FROM Trump anymore.

He is still very relevant in terms of the current State of the GOP and of course the multiple court cases and the recent exposure of the DOJ subpoenas etc.

But what we are not getting is the constant barrage of his lies and obfuscation multiple times a day.

I really don’t miss the daily avalanche of Trump madness.

briany · 14-06-2021 1:52pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I really don’t miss the daily avalanche of Trump madness.

I don't think any of us do. I know there's been this talking point of, "Oh, I bet the press misses Trump. They have nothing to talk about now.", but even those in the press probably privately recognise that a reduction in readership is preferable to Trump being in the Whitehouse fomenting rabid anger among his base of voters.

aloyisious · 14-06-2021 11:57pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I've said this before , but a key difference is that we are hearing ABOUT Trump , but we're really not hearing a whole lot FROM Trump anymore.

He is still very relevant in terms of the current State of the GOP and of course the multiple court cases and the recent exposure of the DOJ subpoenas etc.

But what we are not getting is the constant barrage of his lies and obfuscation multiple times a day.

The silence is good for the senses, even if his shadow still lies on the land and the GOP.

I'm thinking that the fact so far in the breaking story of the Trump DOJ subpoenas that neither of Trump's Attorneys General nor the Deputy AG seem to have been involved with them makes it seem that some-one lower down the DOJ authority level was involved in the authorising for the subpoenas.

With former AG Barr denying any knowledge of the subpoenas which [given his position] sounds like a implausible deniability excuse, it looks like some-one will be thrown under the bus - maybe already has tonight listening to CNN reporting on the early retirement of a senior DOJ staffer. An obvious question is who in the DOJ would place themselves in the position of giving the go-ahead for subpoenas without a permit from either Barr or Jeff Sessions, or the Deputy AG of the time to do what looks like Trump's bidding from a distance.

aloyisious · 17-06-2021 4:32pm

With reference to a report by The Daily Digest on the net that Jared Kushner has beaten Don Trump Snr to the punch with a "tell all" book deal, I'd like to know how reliable The Daily Digest is for new stories and their content reliability; is this likely to be just a story with nothing behind the headlines? There is no mention made about whom the publisher is to be.

aloyisious · 18-06-2021 11:19pm

Mike Pence is still in the sights of US conservatives as he was heckled and called a traitor at a Christian religious conference earlier today when he took the stage to address the conference. The hecklers, curiously enough wearing red baseball caps, were escorted out of the audience by police. The heckling might indicate a reduced vote for him to be a GOP candidate for the presidency next time around.

PropJoe10 · 19-06-2021 8:28pm

aloyisious wrote: »

Mike Pence is still in the sights of US conservatives as he was heckled and called a traitor at a Christian religious conference earlier today when he took the stage to address the conference. The hecklers, curiously enough wearing red baseball caps, were escorted out of the audience by police. The heckling might indicate a reduced vote for him to be a GOP candidate for the presidency next time around.

There's more chance of me becoming US President than Mike Pence. Traditional Republicans will hate him for hitching to the Trump Train, and Trumpsters hate him for stabbing the Orange One in the back. He'd be as well disappearing entirely and if he wants to, making a comeback in about ten years while hoping that people can't quite remember where they saw him before.

Nody · 21-06-2021 11:16am

I wonder if Trump will now turn on DeSantis as he's no longer #1 or simply call it fake news and rigged election...

Florida governor Ron DeSantis outstripped former president Donald Trump as a favourite choice for 2024 presidential contender in a straw poll of conservative voters this weekend.

The Republican governor edged out Mr Trump with 74 per cent of voters approving him as a presidential candidate as against the former president’s about 71 per cent votes.

The results of the polls which were conducted online using the approval voting method were announced during the Western Conservative Summit which saw 500 people attending it and tens of thousands of watching it live.

Ash.J.Williams · 21-06-2021 1:38pm

Nody wrote: »

I wonder if Trump will now turn on DeSantis as he's no longer #1 or simply call it fake news and rigged election...

Trump will demolish any contender if he's still going!

aloyisious · 21-06-2021 5:23pm

Nody wrote: »

I wonder if Trump will now turn on DeSantis as he's no longer #1 or simply call it fake news and rigged election...

In Florida even, where Trump is now domiciled. Has Trump done something to annoy his base there?

briany · 21-06-2021 6:17pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

There's more chance of me becoming US President than Mike Pence. Traditional Republicans will hate him for hitching to the Trump Train, and Trumpsters hate him for stabbing the Orange One in the back. He'd be as well disappearing entirely and if he wants to, making a comeback in about ten years while hoping that people can't quite remember where they saw him before.

Pence is so dull and lacking in personality that there is a very outside possibility of this working. But, in reality, I don't know why he'd bother. He's a political no-account and was virtually invisible during the Trump presidency. A presidential bid would go precisely nowhere. He would have to know that, surely, and you'd think he'd have had his fill after a mob broke into the Capitol looking to harm him and other assorted politicians the mob believed were against their beloved president. Has to be good money out there for an ex-VP as the chairman of some PAC or conservative think tank.

StringerBell · 22-06-2021 4:12pm

Nody wrote: »

I wonder if Trump will now turn on DeSantis as he's no longer #1 or simply call it fake news and rigged election...

If that's a new one its the second time its happened.

Nody · 24-06-2021 5:14pm

Rudi just lost his lawyers license in New York due to lying about the 2020 election results; I guess he can move down to Florida and take the bar exam there instead.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-06-2021 5:16pm

Nody wrote: »

Rudi just lost his lawyers license in New York due to lying about the 2020 election results; I guess he can move down to Florida and take the bar exam there instead.

We can expect a "statement" from 45 any minute now screaming about how this is just another part of the Dem "witch hunt" against him.

Itssoeasy · 24-06-2021 6:36pm

I see that rudy or someone on his behalf meant to be in court over the dominion voting lawsuit.

Oh if you haven’t seen it go watch general mark milley, the chairman if the joint chiefs of staff was on Capitol Hill yesterday along with the defence secretary lyold Austin and was asked a question by Matt gaetz and it went about as well as you’d expect for gaetz. Btw Matt gaetz either always looks like this or the guy isn’t getting enough sleep.

jamule · 24-06-2021 6:44pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

We can expect a "statement" from 45 any minute now screaming about how this is just another part of the Dem "witch hunt" against him.

Not a peep outta him, he owes Rudy dollars, Rudy will be shat on by the Don.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-06-2021 6:49pm

jamule wrote: »

Not a peep outta him, he owes Rudy dollars, Rudy will be shat on by the Don.

Don will say its all lies because if Rudi starts singing (and I think he will) then Trump will claim the "deep state" has got to him.

PropJoe10 · 24-06-2021 7:48pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Don will say its all lies because if Rudi starts singing (and I think he will) then Trump will claim the "deep state" has got to him.

Absolutely, and then the Trump base will lap that up. We're in Jim Jones territory now when it comes to the Republican voter and Donald Trump.

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