Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

pixelburp · 16-06-2021 4:45pm

Yeah, the final Hunger Games also saw a drop-off with their (greed induced) split of the final part in the trilogy:

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/fr239570693/?ref_=bo_frs_table_17

(sidebar, are those totals adjusted for inflation? Cos that would also tell some interesting, contextual tales)

Trilogies taper off, by and large. Audiences move on. That's not to undermine or ignore the qualities - or lack thereof - of the Star Wars films of late, but it's a broad truism that blockbuster trilogies slowly decline in interest and box-office. the MCU is an exception IMO because it's formatted as a Long Term Story, season climax n' all.

I'd also argue that Rise of Skywalker did more damage to the brand than Last Jedi: as there's at least _something_ to debate about the merits of the former (and no doubt will do so as the years tick on); the latter was such a panicked & low-quality attempt at fan masturbation and course correction, what remained of fan goodwill likely died quick enough upon realisation Abrams helmed a total piece of shít. At least the prequels were earnest attempts to carry the story forward (or backwards, technically)

raclle · 16-06-2021 5:04pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Ah come on. BO has nothing to do with quality and that's what the films will be ultimately remembered for

This quote sums it up but having said that out of the 8 Harry Potter movies the last one is deemed the best

Wedwood · 16-06-2021 11:55pm

Probably going against the tide here, but I’m looking forward to Indy 5. I also have confidence that Mangold knows what he’s doing and will give Harrison Ford a decent send off as Indy. It looks like there’ll be young Indy flashbacks interwoven with old Indy pieces, so the action scenes will be age appropriate.

Regarding Ford’s age, well, he’s doing daily 40 mile cycles as he’s filming this, so he’s fitter than most people are in their 50’s, so his age is really just a number. Everyone knows this will be Ford’s final outing as Indy, so you can be sure the pressure is on to make sure he goes out on a high note.

Also, if you haven’t already, have a look at his last movie ‘Call of the Wild’, Ford gave a great performance and showed how he can still deliver age appropriate action scenes.

johnny_ultimate · 17-06-2021 12:19am

Yeah I wouldn’t be Mangold’s biggest fan - most of his recent films are fairly bland, albeit watchable - but he’s not a bad choice for this. I think his more old-school, down-to-Earth (relatively speaking) storytelling sensibilities are a decent fit for the series. I would not trust Spielberg with another Indy, as he’s repeatedly shown an ability to scale back on the weightless, excessive CG. Much better to hand the whip to somebody else - ironic that it’s Spielberg, the veteran filmmaker, who can’t be trusted to not indulge in modern excess!

It’s still a project weighed down by inherent redundancy and corporate cynicism - there’s a very good chance it’ll be ****e. But there’s enough vaguely encouraging signs to not write it off completely for now.

pixelburp · 17-06-2021 8:54am

Wedwood wrote: »

Probably going against the tide here, but I’m looking forward to Indy 5. I also have confidence that Mangold knows what he’s doing and will give Harrison Ford a decent send off as Indy. It looks like there’ll be young Indy flashbacks interwoven with old Indy pieces, so the action scenes will be age appropriate.

Regarding Ford’s age, well, he’s doing daily 40 mile cycles as he’s filming this, so he’s fitter than most people are in their 50’s, so his age is really just a number. Everyone knows this will be Ford’s final outing as Indy, so you can be sure the pressure is on to make sure he goes out on a high note.

Also, if you haven’t already, have a look at his last movie ‘Call of the Wild’, Ford gave a great performance and showed how he can still deliver age appropriate action scenes.

I think there's potential for a solid movie here, and if <name pending> is decent, B-grade material that's not too bad. My optimism is mostly because unlike Johnny above, I rate Mangold quite highly - precisely because I appreciate his workmanlike output as a positive, not a negative. There's an underappreciated value in a good tradesperson IMO, and Mangold has shown a knack for unfussy competence that's a very rare talent in an industry of shameless hacks like John Moore or Len Wiseman, or hyperactive theme park directors like Justin Lin. Doing the basics well should always be applauded, not sniffed at IMO.

There were so many ways this production could have started wrong with the directorial choice, and James Mangold was a point where I went "huh, yeah OK. That's the right guy, let's see where this goes". And parallel to the directing, the casting so far has been excellent; she's obviously big target for those with chips on their shoulder but Waller-Bridge could be an excellent comedic foil to Ford.

Do agree with Johnny in that ironically, Spielberg would have been the worst choice, given his headspace is so far past blockbuster filmmaking, when he has tried it lately, it has dramatically flatlined.

There is no getting away from what this is though: Disney's acquisition of the Fox & Lucasarts stable of IPs means we can expect our nostalgia pockets to be picked pretty ruthlessly, while any given franchise is deemed of value. Hence Indy 5, or that Aliens TV series; but then if they continue to hire interesting people to helm them (such as Fargo's NOah Hawley with that Aliens show[!!]), I'll at least give it a shake.

mikhail · 17-06-2021 4:20pm

I feel like my nostalgia pocket is inside out and freed of the last vestiges of lint. While I consider Mangold a moderately positive choice too and Waller-Bridge doesn't bother me any, with projects like this I consciously steel myself to wait for reviews. Most of these rehashings of 80s IP are mediocre-to-bad, and often surrounded by an utterly boring toxic argument of one kind or another; it's notable that your go-tos for "shameless hacks" are the last two Die Hard directors.

pixelburp · 17-06-2021 7:16pm

mikhail wrote: »

I feel like my nostalgia pocket is inside out and freed of the last vestiges of lint. While I consider Mangold a moderately positive choice too and Waller-Bridge doesn't bother me any, with projects like this I consciously steel myself to wait for reviews. Most of these rehashings of 80s IP are mediocre-to-bad, and often surrounded by an utterly boring toxic argument of one kind or another; it's notable that your go-tos for "shameless hacks" are the last two Die Hard directors.

Holy shít, you're right. That was total fluke, but, yeah. Those last couple of movies were farted out by total jobsworths. And, of course, yet another IP now owned by Disney, so presumably somewhere in the Mouse House there's a report speculating about the viability of Die Hard 6. Wonder who the action equivalent of James Mangold is...

Theboinkmaster · 18-06-2021 3:29pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Can't speak to their parks' success, especially the Star Wars one wasn't open that long 'til they all shut down due to CoVid. And given Avatar is apparently getting its own section, I'd question just how critical to the profit margin the theme parks are these days.

I stand to be corrected but my understanding was Disney lost money on all their theme parks - even before COVID.

Tony EH · 18-06-2021 3:44pm

Disney's Galaxy's Edge theme park was an unmitigated disaster. But the main reason, as I understand it, was the Star Wars "period" they chose to set it in. They found that few people were actually interested in visiting a Star Wars theme park that didn't include the most popular parts of it, like the original stuff.

If you go to a Star Wars theme park, you'd be expecting to find Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader at least knocking about somewhere.

The simple fact is that "old" Star Wars has an enduring appeal that the "new" stuff sorely lacks. The original Star Wars elements have stood the test of time, while the Diswars is a flash in the pan. It's telling that Disney's biggest successes, in terms of positive feedback, are 'Rogue One' and 'The Mandalorian', both of which draw very heavily from the original movies.

Niska · 23-06-2021 7:02pm

Harrison injured his shoulder while rehearsing a fight.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57586672

A Disney statement said: "In the course of rehearsing for a fight scene, Harrison Ford sustained an injury involving his shoulder.

"Production will continue while the appropriate course of treatment is evaluated, and the filming schedule will be reconfigured as needed in the coming weeks."

Need a Username · 23-06-2021 7:25pm

Niska wrote: »

Harrison injured his shoulder while rehearsing a fight.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57586672

This news brought a smile to my face because Ford is still willing to as much as possible of the action and stunts himself.

Very glad it isn’t serious like how he was hurt making the Star Wars sequel (which wasn’t worth it to be honest).

Need a Username · 23-06-2021 7:36pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Disney's Galaxy's Edge theme park was an unmitigated disaster. But the main reason, as I understand it, was the Star Wars "period" they chose to set it in. They found that few people were actually interested in visiting a Star Wars theme park that didn't include the most popular parts of it, like the original stuff.

If you go to a Star Wars theme park, you'd be expecting to find Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader at least knocking about somewhere.

The simple fact is that "old" Star Wars has an enduring appeal that the "new" stuff sorely lacks. The original Star Wars elements have stood the test of time, while the Diswars is a flash in the pan. It's telling that Disney's biggest successes, in terms of positive feedback, are 'Rogue One' and 'The Mandalorian', both of which draw very heavily from the original movies.

I have heard it being called a failure before but if there actual numbers to show it has been a flop?

I knew it was geared towards the Sequels (makes sense they would want it like that to both promote and gain from the latest movies*) but I assumed there was Vader, etc. in there too.

* That said once the Sequels were coming to an end and it become obvious many people are meh about the characters they should have shifted to OT Star Wars. In fact I was very surprised that with how well Mandolorian has done that they didn’t just switch the whole story of the place over to Mando and the Child. And also surprised they did ask Favereau and Filoni to use the park to film an episode.

I donplan to go someday but if it was Mando and Grogu I would literally drop everything and get on a plane.

pixelburp · 23-06-2021 8:59pm

Need a Username wrote: »

I have heard it being called a failure before but if there actual numbers to show it has been a flop?

Yes.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt3778644/?ref_=bo_se_r_1

Didn't even hit $400 million worldwide on an official $275 million budget. That's nowhere close to breaking even in modern terms, while no doubt projections were for much higher. And if rumours are to be believed, the production budget was bigger again, more like $350m given 80% of the film was reshot by Ron Howard.

So while we don't know just how much of a flop it was, it was a definitive flop for Disney and arguably killed the spin-off films cold - perhaps even precipitating the pivot to TV. Originally, we were supposed to get a boba fett and Obi wan films after Solo, instead they're now to be TV series.

Need a Username · 23-06-2021 9:40pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Yes.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt3778644/?ref_=bo_se_r_1

Didn't even hit $400 million worldwide on an official $275 million budget. That's nowhere close to breaking even in modern terms, while no doubt projections were for much higher. And if rumours are to be believed, the production budget was bigger again, more like $350m given 80% of the film was reshot by Ron Howard.

So while we don't know just how much of a flop it was, it was a definitive flop for Disney and arguably killed the spin-off films cold - perhaps even precipitating the pivot to TV. Originally, we were supposed to get a boba fett and Obi wan films after Solo, instead they're now to be TV series.

My post and the post I replying to has nothing to do twitch then Solo movie or it’s box office.

I’m baffled as to how you think it is.

pixelburp · 23-06-2021 9:51pm

Yup, misread. Don't worry about it

Need a Username · 23-06-2021 9:59pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Yup, misread. Don't worry about it

I don’t know why you think I’m worried but how can you have misread the whole post?

It was clearly about the Star Wars park. Never even mentioned Solo.

I don’t think you actually read the post. You saw the first line and jumped to conclusions.

Tony EH · 23-06-2021 10:33pm

There's numbers around I'm sure and, no, I'm not looking for them cos I don't care all that much. Plus, IIRC, the person in charge of themeparks was fired a couple of years ago because of it. If you're really interested, there's probably info on the web to dig into. But Galaxy's Edge has been generally viewed as a failure since it opened. Parts of it seem to be well put together, but it's an empty experience. So, in that respect, it appears reflective of Disney's Star Wars over all, I spose.

Need a Username · 23-06-2021 10:40pm

Tony EH wrote: »

There's numbers around I'm sure and, no, I'm not looking for them cos I don't care all that much. Plus, IIRC, the person in charge of themeparks was fired a couple of years ago because of it. If you're really interested, there's probably info on the web to dig into. But Galaxy's Edge has been generally viewed as a failure since it opened. Parts of it seem to be well put together, but it's an empty experience. So, in that respect, it appears reflective of Disney's Star Wars over all, I spose.

Since you said it was a failure I thought you had seen these numbers but it appears you don’t actually know at all if the park is a financial flop.

So the comment is exactly like the others I mentioned - imagined.

johnny_ultimate · 23-06-2021 10:51pm

Mod note: Enough of the petty bickering, thanks. Back to discussing the film or at least Indiana Jones in general rather than more tangents about Star Wars.

Tony EH · 23-06-2021 10:52pm

Need a Username wrote: »

Since you said it was a failure I thought you had seen these numbers but it appears you don’t actually know at all if the park is a financial flop.

So the comment is exactly like the others I mentioned - imagined.

I don't care.

Need a Username · 23-06-2021 11:28pm

Tony EH wrote: »

I don't care.

That is a long post for something that you don’t care about.

Need a Username · 23-06-2021 11:29pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Mod note: Enough of the petty bickering, thanks. Back to discussing the film or at least Indiana Jones in general rather than more tangents about Star Wars.

No bickering in my part but a fair point.

I came to post about Ford getting hurt. With some the harping in about star wars I forget it was a thread about Indiana Jones

Mr Crispy · 23-06-2021 11:52pm

Dude, please use Multiquote.

mikhail · 23-06-2021 11:58pm

I'm surprised Ford got injured. He's 78 years old. I know he's in good shape for his age, but honestly I don't want to see any action scene they manage to cut around him. I'm thinking of De Niro in The Irishman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkA40WFjlnc

Need a Username · 24-06-2021 12:52am

Mr Crispy wrote: »

Dude, please use Multiquote.

Is this a post to me?

Why would I need multiquote when I am responding to one post?

Need a Username · 24-06-2021 12:57am

mikhail wrote: »

I'm surprised Ford got injured. He's 78 years old. I know he's in good shape for his age, but honestly I don't want to see any action scene they manage to cut around him. I'm thinking of De Niro in The Irishman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkA40WFjlnc

Anyone can be hurt regardless of age or fitness. For all we know it is just a pulled muscle.

pixelburp · 24-06-2021 9:12am

mikhail wrote: »

I'm surprised Ford got injured. He's 78 years old. I know he's in good shape for his age, but honestly I don't want to see any action scene they manage to cut around him. I'm thinking of De Niro in The Irishman.

He had that set door drop down on him during Force Awakens, while according to himself he accidentally punched Ryan Gosling for real during the filming of Blade Runner 2049. Heck you got back to that scar he got during a car-crash, his various flying accidents and one wonders is Ford just one of those freakily accident-prone people.

Need a Username wrote: »

Is this a post to me?

Why would I need multiquote when I am responding to one post?

It's polite and an informal commonality around Boards; reduces the noise on a thread too, if a single user doesn't post 3, 4 replies in succession. Makes it easier to read

Need a Username wrote: »

I don’t know why you think I’m worried but how can you have misread the whole post?

It was clearly about the Star Wars park. Never even mentioned Solo.

I don’t think you actually read the post. You saw the first line and jumped to conclusions.

Ok. Sure. Tony & I had been talking about Solo in an earlier segue, it was late at night and I was tired. Like I said, don't worry about it, ain't a thing

Mostly I was curious cos I never got around to checking out the actual numbers on Solo and yikesarooney, they syre were bad (obviously off-topic as mentioned by JU)

Need a Username · 24-06-2021 9:59am

pixelburp wrote: »

He had that set door drop down on him during Force Awakens, while according to himself he accidentally punched Ryan Gosling for real during the filming of Blade Runner 2049. Heck you got back to that scar he got during a car-crash, his various flying accidents and one wonders is Ford just one of those freakily accident-prone people.

It's polite and an informal commonality around Boards; reduces the noise on a thread too, if a single user doesn't post 3, 4 replies in succession. Makes it easier to read

Ok. Sure. Tony & I had been talking about Solo in an earlier segue, it was late at night and I was tired. Like I said, don't worry about it, ain't a thing

Mostly I was curious cos I never got around to checking out the actual numbers on Solo and yikesarooney, they syre were bad (obviously off-topic as mentioned by JU)

It wasn’t late at night.

And I would consider it impolite to ignore a moderator when he or she says stop going off on tangents and stay on the topic of thread.

Sad Professor · 24-06-2021 10:34am

Folks, stay on topic please. Thanks.

pixelburp · 02-07-2021 5:24pm

Temple of Doom hat sells at auction for $300,000. Some money for a fedora probably bought for buttons fadó.

https://news.yahoo.com/harrison-ford-indiana-jones-hat-auction-271000-154042690.html

Need a Username · 02-07-2021 8:07pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Temple of Doom hat sells at auction for $300,000. Some money for a fedora probably bought for buttons fadó.

https://news.yahoo.com/harrison-ford-indiana-jones-hat-auction-271000-154042690.html

It wouldn’t have been the only hat used during filming. They must go through several hats, jackets, trousers, etc.

B.A._Baracus · 05-07-2021 3:42pm

pixelburp wrote: »

He had that set door drop down on him during Force Awakens, while according to himself he accidentally punched Ryan Gosling for real during the filming of Blade Runner 2049. Heck you got back to that scar he got during a car-crash, his various flying accidents and one wonders is Ford just one of those freakily accident-prone people.

He's always been a hands-on, do his own stunts type of guy. Wasn't he a carpenter just before Star Wars? Doing his own stunts is all well and good with a younger man but near 80 I don't think it's the best thing to do.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear he's still "a man's man" at heart sort just doesn't want to accept his age and since he has star power the studios would give in to him a little.

Wedwood · 05-07-2021 9:10pm

Ford injured his back making Temple of Doom and some of his scenes were filmed using doubles while he recuperated. Saw photos of him wandering around with his arm in a sling, hopefully back filming before long.

silliussoddius · 15-07-2021 5:51pm

Is there anything you can take for your woke tourettes?

Wedwood · 15-07-2021 6:26pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117615503#Comment_117615503

Well, given some of the movie is set in 1969, the big social issues at the time included the anti Vietnam war campaign, the civil rights movement, feminism/women’s rights, to name but some. 1969 was probably the most ‘Woke’ year in history !!!!

Mr Crispy · 15-07-2021 8:38pm

Time to see how well the new site's ignore function works.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2021 9:52pm

James Mangold and Antonio Banderas are in

pixelburp · 16-07-2021 4:58pm

They're in Glasgow at the moment, the city doing what it does best: mimicking an American city for a film shoot...

https://mobile.twitter.com/GlasgowWEToday/status/1415636595483545601

Wedwood · 09-09-2021 11:16pm

Harrison Ford has resumed filming again 👍

pixelburp · 10-09-2021 8:01am

Gosh, a 2+ month delay. Suppose the man is the age he is.

silverharp · 18-09-2021 9:13am

I dont know how substantiated this is but at this rate they will have to call it The Curse of....

https://www.film-news.co.uk/news/UK/88923/Indiana-Jones-filming-in-chaos-after-norovirus-outbreak

"Filming on the latest 'Indiana Jones' blockbuster has been thrown into peril once again after a norovirus outbreak on set.

Up to 50 people have reportedly been sent home from Pinewood Studios in the UK after the winter vomiting bug spread across the site of the fifth 'Indiana Jones' movie, which sees Harrison Ford as the legendary archaeologist.

It is the latest disruption to production on the movie after Harrison spent three months out of action following surgery on a shoulder injury sustained rehearsing a stunt.

The outbreak has also had an impact on the production of the new 'Ant-Man' movie at the site in Buckinghamshire while the coronavirus pandemic also continues to wreak havoc on filming, but an insider confirmed that no A-listers have been affected.

A source told The Sun newspaper: "The crew have been dropping like flies. There's also a lot off with Covid, so it's been a double whammy.

"Two films have been affected. Over 50 people have been struck down, but luckily that doesn't include the big stars.""

pixelburp · 18-09-2021 10:04am

Well the broadsheet outlets are reporting it, assuming they did their due diligence. Bad luck for the shoot for sure; the world doesn't want this film to happen lol. I suppose the detail here is who have been affected: critical staff necessitating the shoot closing down, or dogs-bodies and runners easily replaced?

God though. After 2 years of CoVid to then have noro come along and strip your dignity with some seasonal vomiting.

pixelburp · 12-10-2021 3:00pm

Filming is currently going on in Sicily, with Harrison Ford & Mads Mikkelsen both spotted on set.

silverharp · 15-10-2021 9:33am

is it clear whether the film is set in 2 periods or is this going to be a time travel film?

silverharp · 15-10-2021 7:52pm

got an answer to my question

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10092955/Phoebe-Waller-Bridge-seen-shooting-Indiana-Jones-5-time-Harrison-Ford.html?login&param_state=eyJyZW1lbWJlck1lIjpmYWxzZSwicmVnU291cmNlIjoiY29tbWVudCJ9&param_code=4%2F0AX4XfWhPZ0jyquv678haDkphptLZJI_iMU4318BPaFW-DK6tvYPbpUJXMLBqgyH3ay5nfQ&param_scope=email+profile+https%3A%2F%2Fwww.googleapis.com%2Fauth%2Fuserinfo.email+https%3A%2F%2Fwww.googleapis.com%2Fauth%2Fuserinfo.profile+openid&param_authuser=0&param_prompt=consent&param__host=www.dailymail.co.uk&param_geolocation=gb&base_fe_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2F&validation_fe_uri=%2Fregistration%2Fp%2Fapi%2Ffield%2Fvalidation%2F&check_user_fe_uri=registration%2Fp%2Fapi%2Fuser%2Fuser_check%2F&isMobile=false#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

MisterAnarchy · 15-10-2021 9:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025589#Comment_118025589

Just when you think things cant get any worse, a Time travel plot.

Wedwood · 15-10-2021 11:27pm

Booby traps sprung by light, magic box with ghosts that only kill people who don’t close their eyes, life raft as parachute, ripping out heart with bare hands, magic stones that only burn the bad guys, magic water that that either kills you or saves you depending which cup you use.

Thankfully, those movies were made before the internet !!!

pixelburp · 16-10-2021 9:59am

The Daily Mails love of describing the clothes is always so weird.

Time travel eh. Not sure how I feel about that. As Wedwood says the series is scarcely averse to outlandish science or whatnot; like anything else it'll all be in how it's handled. I maintain giving this film a chance, it's the fair thing to do given the people involved are solid.

Most interestingly, Ford is wearing a parachute so begs the question is it the end of a set piece that causes a literal fall through time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026742#Comment_118026742

Don't forget surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge. I know it's a sore point with some but it's all part of the same thrust of thjngs.

silverharp · 16-10-2021 10:49am

it could still be flashbacks but for a film that has God & Aliens, time travel/time traveling nazis isnt such a leap , once they dont do any retcon shenanigans

16-10-2021 11:22am

I never got the hate for having trans-dimensional beings, considering the previous magic settings.

For all Skull's fault that was not one