Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Silentcorner · 22-06-2021 03:50PM

Penfailed wrote: »

What is it?

I keep forgetting, there are many of you buying into this "living on a knife edge" narrative our Health Officials, Politicians and media are pumping into us every day....this last wave of concern and fear goes back to when numbers started to collapse back in Feb...

Many of us aren't buying into it...we have too much data available to us.

22-06-2021 03:53PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

But but but look at that country over there...

Are you afraid of looking at Irish data? It's beyond obvious what this is....

I am struggling to believe you are not on the wind up.

Its a different virus in Moscow? I mean, I get it, you don't believe the restrictions were actually responsible for reductions in transmission so you are wildly flailing for reasons. But this belief that what has happened elsewhere, with the same flu season, is not applicable here is beyond comprehension.

Can you provide any remotely logical reason why the virus would be seasonal in Ireland and not in Moscow?

growleaves · 22-06-2021 03:54PM

The transmission rate need only be slightly higher than the Alpha variant for the Delta to become dominant, as it has, but the other claims about transmissibility have been overblown.

Overall there is minimal real world evidence of the Delta variant behaving in a significantly more transmissible or dangerous way and the symptomatology appears to be becoming more mild.

:eek:

Delta variant deniers

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 03:55PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I keep forgetting, there are many of you buying into this "living on a knife edge" narrative our Health Officials, Politicians and media are pumping into us every day....this last wave of concern and fear goes back to when numbers started to collapse back in Feb...

Many of us aren't buying into it...we have too much data available to us.

I'm not buying into this, "living on a knife edge" narrative either. Maybe it's because I don't usually follow Irish media. Maybe it's because that's not the narrative being pushed...? *shrugs*

I'll ask again - you said, "it's beyond obvious what this is," so...what is it?

zackory · 22-06-2021 04:09PM

60000 confirmed for semi finals and final in Wembley.

22-06-2021 04:14PM

growleaves wrote: »

:eek:

Delta variant deniers

That would indeed be good news as it would indicate the virus is proceeding along the path of the common cold HCoV group of viruses. What is unclear is if it is a change is the presentation of initial symptoms, or a reduction in overall severity. Whether the initial presentation of this virus or the latest presentation, in all cases the initial symptoms can be relatively mild. I hope the conclusions of the article play out to be true, but wishing that to be the case doesn't make it so.

Thanks for sharing where some of the misrepresented data relied on here is sourced from however. I liked this one, very balanced. No scaremongering at all

https://www.hartgroup.org/covid-19-vaccination-in-children/

We need not look far back into history to remember the devastating harms a rushed-to-market vaccination can have. Over 1,000 children were permanently disabled with narcolepsy caused by the Pandemrix Swine Flu vaccine.

ceadaoin. · 22-06-2021 04:15PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://www.hartgroup.org/covid-19-is-becoming-more-mild/

More good news the media are ignoring ..

I posted something similar in another thread and was told I was like trump or bolsonaro for saying it. People don't want to let the fear go

ceadaoin. wrote: »

According to British researchers the main symptoms of the Delta variant are more akin to a cold. There is no evidence of more severe illness and the vaccines work against it so what is the panic? I've also read that even those admitted to hospitals are in less severe condition than previously. Some people are just thriving on the fear and drama at this stage.

Good news surely?

growleaves · 22-06-2021 04:32PM

Pandemrix Swine Flu vaccine safety denial :eek:

Thank you for alerting me to this raind. Scaremongering of the worst kind.

Graham · 22-06-2021 04:32PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I posted something similar in another thread and was told I was like trump or bolsonaro for saying it. People don't want to let the fear go

I suspect that's because you missed a few rather significant comments from the same source:

‘The UK really does now have a problem and we’ll probably be seeing, in a week, 20,000 cases and by 21st June well in excess of that number,’ he said.

‘Most of these infections are occurring in unvaccinated people. We’re only seeing slight increases in the vaccinated group and most of those in the single vaccinated group,’ he said.

‘Covid is also acting differently now. Its more like a bad cold in this younger population and people don’t realise that and it hasn’t come across in any of the government information.

‘This means that people might think they’ve got some sort of seasonal cold and they still go out to parties and might spread around to six other people and we think this is fuelling a lot of the problem.’

ZOE COVID study lead Professor Tim Spector

ceadaoin. · 22-06-2021 04:35PM

Graham wrote: »

I suspect that's because you missed a few rather significant comments from the same source:

ZOE COVID study lead Professor Tim Spector

He seems to be saying the "problem" is it presents as a cold so people don't realise its covid. So if it's presenting as a cold, doesn't lead to a substantial increase in hospitalisations and deaths (and it doesn't appear to be) and the most vulnerable are fully vaccinated , it's a problem because..?

22-06-2021 04:37PM

growleaves wrote: »

Pandemrix Swine Flu vaccine safety denial :eek:

Thank you for alerting me to this raind. Scaremongering of the worst kind.

The intent of that article was to drive uncertainty on vaccine continuing to younger age groups.

The issue with the pandemrix vaccine was traced to a protein in both the strain of flu involved and the deactivated strain within the vaccine. The rates of Narcolepsy in those who got the H1N1 vaccine were lower than that in those who caught the virus.
Selective misrepresentation to drive a narrative

zackory · 22-06-2021 04:38PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He seems to be saying the "problem" is it presents as a cold so people don't realise its covid. So if it's presenting as a cold, doesn't lead to a substantial increase in hospitalisations and deaths (and it doesn't appear to be) and the most vulnerable are fully vaccinated , it's a problem because..?

Looks like a pretty serious problem if they are capping the games in Wembley at 60000 each.

TheDoctor · 22-06-2021 04:41PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He seems to be saying the "problem" is it presents as a cold so people don't realise its covid. So if it's presenting as a cold, doesn't lead to a substantial increase in hospitalisations and deaths (and it doesn't appear to be) and the most vulnerable are fully vaccinated , it's a problem because..?

Remember all the lockdowns and restrictions we had for bad colds in the past.....

Silentcorner · 22-06-2021 04:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am struggling to believe you are not on the wind up.

Can you provide any remotely logical reason why the virus would be seasonal in Ireland and not in Moscow?

I was just thinking the same about you....it's incomprehensible to me that you cannot determine the differences between flu seasons in different parts of the world.

It's crazy....let me try it this way.

The same virus will have the same impact in Dublin and Cork.

The same virus won't have the same impact between Miami and New York.

The same virus won't have the same impact between Ireland and Russia.

We are not on a knife edge...our health system can easily cope with the inevitable clusters between now and next winter....how do I know this....well just look at our data from last year...the numbers will pick up in Sept/Oct...like last year.

the kelt · 22-06-2021 04:45PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He seems to be saying the "problem" is it presents as a cold so people don't realise its covid. So if it's presenting as a cold, doesn't lead to a substantial increase in hospitalisations and deaths (and it doesn't appear to be) and the most vulnerable are fully vaccinated , it's a problem because..?

So more cases but not a substantial increase in hospitilisations or deaths, seems to be main issue and symptoms just like a cold!

So a cold really!

Or am i wrong, the common cold if theres an outbreak leads to issues every year or am i missing something?

Graham · 22-06-2021 04:46PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He seems to be saying the "problem" is it presents as a cold so people don't realise its covid.

So they continue to spread it ......

Graham · 22-06-2021 04:47PM

zackory wrote: »

Looks like a pretty serious problem if they are capping the games in Wembley at 60000 each.

The Portugal approach. Let's see if they do anything different.

The next few weeks will be interesting.

growleaves · 22-06-2021 04:48PM

Graham wrote: »

The Portugal approach. Let's see if they do anything different.

The next few weeks will be interesting crucial.

^^Get it right

zackory · 22-06-2021 04:50PM

Graham wrote: »

The Portugal approach. Let's see if they do anything different.

The next few weeks will be interesting.

Crucial surely.

Its a straight race between delta and vaccine rollout.

If we can't stay ahead of delta then lockdown surely?

Graham · 22-06-2021 04:53PM

zackory wrote: »

Crucial surely.

Its a straight race between delta and vaccine rollout.

If we can't stay ahead of delta then lockdown surely?

Not sure what you're on about. I'm talking about the UK bending over for UEFA and the impact on the UK.

Portugal's price was the introduction of new travel restrictions.

I'm just pleased it's not Ireland hosting.

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 05:00PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm not buying into this, "living on a knife edge" narrative either. Maybe it's because I don't usually follow Irish media. Maybe it's because that's not the narrative being pushed...? *shrugs*

I'll ask again - you said, "it's beyond obvious what this is," so...what is it?

Third time lucky.

If it's beyond obvious what this is, maybe you could enlighten me?

Silentcorner · 22-06-2021 05:04PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Third time lucky.

If it's beyond obvious what this is, maybe you could enlighten me?

Do you need to be spoonfed?

Look at the data since March 2020....hospitalizations and deaths....

VinLieger · 22-06-2021 05:04PM

Graham wrote: »

So they continue to spread it ......

.....among the groups of people who are yet to be vaccinated and are at the least risk of serious infection.

Hospital numbers are now the metric we need to be watching not infections.

ceadaoin. · 22-06-2021 05:11PM

Graham wrote: »

So they continue to spread it ......

See the rest of my post. Continuing to spread a milder variant amongst those hardly likely to suffer serious effects when those most vulnerable to adverse effects are vaccinated. Is that a problem?

I'll take my chances with a bad cold and live my life as normal. At some point, everyone's gonna have to.

KrustyUCC · 22-06-2021 05:14PM

Rte really ramping up the doom and gloom on Drivetime

"Why won't the government listen to Emer McLysart to delay indoor dining on 5th of June?"

Penfailed · 22-06-2021 05:15PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Do you need to be spoonfed?

Look at the data since March 2020....hospitalizations and deaths....

If it's 'beyond obvious what this is', you should have no difficulty in explaining what 'this' is...

TheDoctor · 22-06-2021 05:15PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Rte really ramping up the doom and gloom on Drivetime

"Why won't the government listen to Emer McLysart to delay indoor dining on 5th of June?"

Because she’s a weapon that’s why

KrustyUCC · 22-06-2021 05:16PM

I agree

She's an expert according to RTE

zackory · 22-06-2021 05:17PM

Graham wrote: »

Not sure what you're on about. I'm talking about the UK bending over for UEFA and the impact on the UK.

Portugal's price was the introduction of new travel restrictions.

I'm just pleased it's not Ireland hosting.

Did they...how so?

Silentcorner · 22-06-2021 05:22PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Rte really ramping up the doom and gloom on Drivetime

"Why won't the government listen to Emer McLysart to delay indoor dining on 5th of June?"

I was wondering how they are going to maintain the fear through the summer months when we all know the numbers will fall flat...how can they maintain that hysteria into Sept, that is the question.

I wonder how many are still buying into the hysteria, whilst simultaneously watching crowded stadiums literally all over Europe!!! And a US which is by and large back to normal now!

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