Amazon Prime Day 2021 - Monday 21st & Tuesday 22nd June

dubmick · 22-06-2021 2:40pm

What price are people seeing this at? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0761YL588/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Would be handy for the return to the office. It's a great mouse. Goes to £39.55 for me which is wrong.

leex · 22-06-2021 2:43pm

dubmick wrote: »

What price are people seeing this at? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0761YL588/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Would be handy for the return to the office. It's a great mouse. Goes to £39.55 for me which is wrong.

Showing GBP 44.55 at checkout for me and I have Prime.

Jofspring · 22-06-2021 2:44pm

dubmick wrote: »

What price are people seeing this at? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0761YL588/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Would be handy for the return to the office. It's a great mouse. Goes to £39.55 for me which is wrong.

When I put in my Irish address its changes to £44.55

22-06-2021 2:45pm

DevFirst wrote: »

They're not removing the 20% UK VAT at all, they're leaving the UK VAT on and simply adding 23% Irish VAT on top.

If you look on the product page, you'll see "Sold by STQ Global shop and Fulfilled by Amazon", so it's a third party seller you're buying from in this case, and what I've noticed is a lot of third party sellers fail to remove the 20% UK VAT, and just add on 23% Irish VAT.

Incorrect. There is no UK VAT to be removed as kid's shoes are VAT exempt in the UK. They are also VAT exempt in Ireland but Amazon is not taking that into account regardless of whether it is a third party seller or not. For example, these shoes are sold direct by Amazon and have the same issue.

Edit: Just noticed that the original shoes were not for kids.

POBox19 · 22-06-2021 2:47pm

dubmick wrote: »

What price are people seeing this at? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0761YL588/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Would be handy for the return to the office. It's a great mouse. Goes to £39.55 for me which is wrong.

Even worse:

Order Summary

Items: GBP 50.24 Postage & Packing: GBP 0.00 Import Fees Deposit: GBP 11.56 Total: GBP 61.80 Promotion Applied: -GBP 17.25 Order Total: GBP 44.55

ablelocks · 22-06-2021 2:48pm

Bose 700 soapstone and silver - checkout price £216.97 (listed price £209) (black is £279 listed)

vicwatson · 22-06-2021 2:53pm

Gonna be talking about this issue on the Ray Darcy show (but Thomas is on instead so it could be about her 2nd baby news)

DevFirst · 22-06-2021 2:59pm

dubmick wrote: »

What price are people seeing this at? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0761YL588/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Would be handy for the return to the office. It's a great mouse. Goes to £39.55 for me which is wrong.

Yep, the discount is still being calculated wrong on that product unfortunately.

Non Deal price is £60.29 minus Deal price £32.99, discount should be £27.30

Here's how it is in the checkout for me:

[b]Order Summary[/b]
Items:                 GBP 50.24 [i](correct, this is non deal price of &#163;60.29 minus 20&#37; UK VAT)[/i]
Postage and Packaging: GBP  0.00 [i](correct)[/i]
Import Fees Deposit:   GBP 11.56 [i](correct, this is 23% Irish VAT of 50.24)[/i]
Total:                 GBP 61.80 [i](correct)[/i]
Promotion Applied:    -GBP 17.25 [i](wrong discount amount)[/i]
Order Total:           GBP 44.55 [i](wrong cause of incorrect discount)[/i]

As you can see, Promotion Applied is only coming up as £17.25 at checkout.

Here's what it should be:

[b]Order Summary[/b]
Items:                 GBP 50.24 [i](correct)[/i]
Postage and Packaging: GBP  0.00 [i](correct)[/i]
Import Fees Deposit:   GBP 11.56 [i](correct)[/i]
Total:                 GBP 61.80 [i](correct)[/i]
Promotion Applied:    -GBP 27.30 [i](correct)[/i]
Order Total:           GBP 34.50 [i](would be the correct irish price, the small difference between &#163;34.50 and &#163;32.99 is simply due UK VAT (20%) and Irish VAT (23%) rates[/i]

vicwatson · 22-06-2021 3:07pm

Conor pope on rte radio 1 now, says Amazon are apologising

vicwatson · 22-06-2021 3:08pm

Refunds within 10 days for those overcharged

quarryman · 22-06-2021 3:19pm

DevFirst wrote: »
After lots of testing, the problem is fixed on SOME items (under certain conditions), but sill broken on other items. I'm compiling a list of what the conditions are and will post them in a bit. For now if you wanna check you're getting the right discount here's how.

HOW TO CHECK IF YOU'RE GETTING THE CORRECT DISCOUNT AMOUNT:
First off, it's easier if you set your amazon display prices and checkout price to GBP temporarily (just while you compare the prices/discounts).

1. On the product page, take the Non-Deal Price item and subtract the Prime Exclusive Deal Price, this will give you the discount amount.
EXAMPLE:
£120.00 (Non-Deal Price)
£90.00 (Prime Exclusive Deal Price)
So discount is £30

2. Bring the deal priced item to checkout, "Promotion Applied" should match the discount you just calculated:
[b]Order Summary[/b]
Items:                 GBP 100.00 [i](correct, this is Non-Deal Price minus the 20&#37; UK VAT)[/i]
Postage and Packaging: GBP   0.00 [i](correct)[/i]
Import Fees Deposit:   GBP  23.00 [i](correct, this is 23% irish VAT for &#163;100)[/i]
Total:                 GBP 123.00 [i](correct)[/i]
[b]Promotion Applied:    -GBP  29.99[/b] [i](CHECK HERE)[/i]
Order Total:           GBP  93.01 [i](correct, the extra 3.01 is just the diff from 20% UK VAT compared to 23% Irish VAT)[/i]
3. If the "Promotion applied" figure is lower than discount you got on the product page, the discount is WRONG, if it's the same (usually within 1p from my testing) it's being done correctly.

Maybe I'm missing something but that's not what i see.

I'm looking at a projector:

Normal price: £229
Deal price: £165
Discount: £65

If I choose a UK address I pay £165 total and it says UK VAT is included.

However if a set an Irish address the breakdown is:

Normal price: £229
Import fees: £53 (Irish VAT 23%)
Total: £283
Minus discount: £65
Price I pay: £218

So UK address and its £218
Irish address £165
A £53 difference despite both VATs supposedly being calculated separately?!

According to your post the calculation is correct as the discount is the same as the normal - deal price (£65). Then why am I paying £283 as it seems to have Irish AND UK Tax added?

Edit: I think i see the issue, they are still trying to charge me £229 instead of taking off the UK VAT first. So I think you system of "its correct if the discount matches" only works if they actually take the UK VAT off at the start, which is not a guarantee...

RGARDINR · 22-06-2021 3:21pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Refunds within 10 days for those overcharged

Fair enough but most didn't buy anything for prime day over this issue. Annoying as hell.

SourSessions · 22-06-2021 3:26pm

Just spent ages on the phone (mostly waiting) about the Tile Slim lightning deal (£14.99 vs £24.99) being charged VAT at the non-deal price. As I said, it was mostly waiting for the guy to go off and calculate things but he gave me a £5 voucher in the end that offset the extra charges. I felt kind of ridiculous on the phone about a pretty measly difference, but in my defence I just went onto chat to check and they were the ones who arranged a callback.

Still, he said VAT shouldn't be charged under €22 until July 1st so now I'm annoyed at the other non-prime-day lightning deals I bought and accepted paying the higher VAT!

editorsean · 22-06-2021 3:38pm

For anyone interested in any Prime Day deals on Amazon Germany, I signed up to the trial and was able to purchase a weather station that was marked down from €157 to €119. I just had to pay €10 for shipping, but at least the deal worked despite the warning about Prime Benefits being limited to Germany/Austria.

The cheapest deal I could find on Amazon UK for the equivalent weather station was £152 (£157 at checkout after the discount/fee calculations).

Mr.Crinklewood · 22-06-2021 4:05pm

editorsean wrote: »

For anyone interested in any Prime Day deals on Amazon Germany, I signed up to the trial and was able to purchase a weather station that was marked down from €157 to €119. I just had to pay €10 for shipping, but at least the deal worked despite the warning about Prime Benefits being limited to Germany/Austria.

The cheapest deal I could find on Amazon UK for the equivalent weather station was £152 (£157 at checkout after the discount/fee calculations).

ooh ..can you give link to weather station?.

editorsean · 22-06-2021 4:21pm

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

ooh ..can you give link to weather station?.

No problem, this is the one I ordered: https://smile.amazon.de/dp/B081F1VTYT

DevFirst · 22-06-2021 4:25pm

quarryman wrote: »

Edit: I think i see the issue, they are still trying to charge me £229 instead of taking off the UK VAT first. So I think you system of "its correct if the discount matches" only works if they actually take the UK VAT off at the start, which is not a guarantee...

I think that might be what's happening to you, check the product page and check if it's being sold by a third party seller and only being fulfilled by amazon, from what I've seen; some third party sellers don't take the 20% UK VAT off, and just add on 23% Irish VAT, which is indeed incorrect. Amazon UK/EU Sarl seem to remove the 20% UK then add the 23% Irish VAT correctly (from what I've seen, could be wrong).

Frankly their whole price summary at checkout is a nightmare for the customer, trying to figure which VAT is which, if it's being deducted, if there's import duty being collected on the category of product, they simply bundle all this into the "import fee deposit" without breaking down any of it to the customer. It's awful.

everlast75 · 22-06-2021 4:39pm

Is this year a contender/winner for worst "prime day" (or days) ever?

FileNotFound · 22-06-2021 4:41pm

Definitely not the best Prime day - but then again the Irish VAT thing really F'd it for us.

antomack · 22-06-2021 5:13pm

Just ordered an item from warehouse with 30% discount but the end price wasn't applying the full discount.

Original price GBP72.12 which with the 30% discount equates to GBP50.48 with UK VAT or GBP51.75 with Irish VAT but I was charged GBP55.89, an extra GBP4.14.

Placed the order and got on to chat to point out the overcharge by 4.14 and the agent I got just applied the 4.14 as a gift card.

Seems to depend on getting the right agent to get it sorted.

dan786 · 22-06-2021 5:18pm

4K Firestick and Echo Dot 4th Gen bundle now just £42 but guess what it cant be shipped to here

FileNotFound · 22-06-2021 5:20pm

dan786 wrote: »

4K Firestick and Echo Dot 4th Gen bundle now just £42 but guess what it cant be shipped to here

Give a relative in the Uk and text and have them post it.

Or addresspal and take the 5 euro Vat hit

jimmycrackcorm · 22-06-2021 5:21pm

Another indoor Saorview Aerial for £9.98.

quarryman · 22-06-2021 5:21pm

DevFirst wrote: »

I think that might be what's happening to you, check the product page and check if it's being sold by a third party seller and only being fulfilled by amazon, from what I've seen; some third party sellers don't take the 20% UK VAT off, and just add on 23% Irish VAT, which is indeed incorrect. Amazon UK/EU Sarl seem to remove the 20% UK then add the 23% Irish VAT correctly (from what I've seen, could be wrong).

Frankly their whole price summary at checkout is a nightmare for the customer, trying to figure which VAT is which, if it's being deducted, if there's import duty being collected on the category of product, they simply bundle all this into the "import fee deposit" without breaking down any of it to the customer. It's awful.

The rule I'm applying now is if the base price at checkout is the same as what non-price was for the product then they aren't taking off UK VAT and its a no-go. And I can find very few items where that's the case.

AdrianG08 · 22-06-2021 5:59pm

Looking to buy this redmi note 10 pro on Amazone germany but need to signup to prime in order to get the discount.

Can I signup to prime there and have a shipping address in Ireland to avail of discount?

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/smartphone-headphones-16-94cm-display-Android/dp/B08XJXNN9N

FileNotFound · 22-06-2021 6:02pm

AdrianG08 wrote: »

Looking to buy this redmi note 10 pro on Amazone germany but need to signup to prime in order to get the discount.

Can I signup to prime there and have a shipping address in Ireland to avail of discount?

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/smartphone-headphones-16-94cm-display-Android/dp/B08XJXNN9N

Sure you should be able to get a free month of prime for .de so worth chancing your arm no?

glic83 · 22-06-2021 6:02pm

AdrianG08 wrote: »

Looking to buy this redmi note 10 pro on Amazone germany but need to signup to prime in order to get the discount.

Can I signup to prime there and have a shipping address in Ireland to avail of discount?

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/smartphone-headphones-16-94cm-display-Android/dp/B08XJXNN9N

Better value on the UK site, 199 pounds for the 128gb version

dan786 · 22-06-2021 6:03pm

AdrianG08 wrote: »

Looking to buy this redmi note 10 pro on Amazone germany but need to signup to prime in order to get the discount.

Can I signup to prime there and have a shipping address in Ireland to avail of discount?

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/smartphone-headphones-16-94cm-display-Android/dp/B08XJXNN9N

Yes you can.

Also its on UK site also around £206

Doodah7 · 22-06-2021 6:05pm

dan786 wrote: »

4K Firestick and Echo Dot 4th Gen bundle now just £42 but guess what it cant be shipped to here

Get it delivered to Newry Post Office (or any NI Post Office) and collect it?

dan786 · 22-06-2021 6:08pm

Doodah7 wrote: »

Get it delivered to Newry Post Office (or any NI Post Office) and collect it?

Sure the petrol and time would be worth more than customs. Ordered to Addresspal, customs shouldnt be too high for £42 items.

22-06-2021 6:11pm

dan786 wrote: »

Sure the petrol and time would be worth more than customs. Ordered to Addresspal, customs shouldnt be too high for £42 items.

It will end up costing about €72 total, so not too bad.

Monotype · 22-06-2021 6:19pm

Amazon use bots for their chat service. There's a good chance that you're just speaking to an AI, with added typing time to waste your time and give the impression that it's a person.
They're not going to be able to answer a load of questions about VAT suddenly as they haven't learned to deal with it.

You can ask in the chat to speak to a human if you think it's a bot (or to throw an insult at them if they aren't!).

Consider that the next time you're thanking a program for helping you sort out a problem.

ablelocks · 22-06-2021 6:30pm

Monotype wrote: »

Amazon use bots for their chat service. There's a good chance that you're just speaking to an AI, with added typing time to waste your time and give the impression that it's a person.
They're not going to be able to answer a load of questions about VAT suddenly as they haven't learned to deal with it.

You can ask in the chat to speak to a human if you think it's a bot (or to throw an insult at them if they aren't!).

Consider that the next time you're thanking a program for helping you sort out a problem.

If your first message to the bot is "chat with agent" or "speak with agent", you will be transferred to a human being (who hasn't been sufficiently trained or informed by their employer to be able to solve issues like this, which makes it a frustrating encounter for them and for customers. Remember also that the person you are dealing with may be working from home in a location with poor internet connection - if they lose connection, someone else comes online and has to catch up with the conversation - again, frustrating for them and for you)

ZeitgeistGlee · 22-06-2021 6:53pm

Ordered a Paperwhite a few minutes ago after about 20 minutes with a CSR. Came to £103-ish in the end with the assurance that the promotion isn't triggering properly (it's only taking £20 off the final price instead of £40) but that they'll get it fixed and refund me the difference in a day or two (final price should be around £83).

Problem seems to be when the system deducts the British VAT to add on the Irish one it's messing up the Prime Day discount amount. They'd want to just get on with Amazon.ie at this stage.

grogi · 22-06-2021 7:02pm

dan786 wrote: »

Sure the petrol and time would be worth more than customs. Ordered to Addresspal, customs shouldnt be too high for £42 items.

(42 GBP plus 6.50 EuR)*0.23 + 6.50 + AnPost Handling fee. 20-25 EuR in total.

NewbridgeIR · 22-06-2021 7:03pm

Seems to be fixed for some things.
There are two Cat Stevens box sets that have Prime Deals.
One is reduced from £135 to £77 - and checks out at £80 so all ok.
The other is reduced from £135 to £81 but delivery restricted to UK - makes no sense.
Was on chat and they agree that the inconsistency is illogical (both released at the same time and fulfilled by Amazon) but cannot manually override or change the system.

bfa1509 · 22-06-2021 7:15pm

I got two of these gigantic tarps:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07YF6FXM7/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

A steal at 19.58 (minus VAT = £16.32). Great for anyone who lives in countryside/on a farm for covering miscellaneous crap

Sleeper12 · 22-06-2021 7:29pm

SourSessions wrote:

Just spent ages on the phone (mostly waiting) about the Tile Slim lightning deal (Â£14.99 vs Â£24.99) being charged VAT at the non-deal price. As I said, it was mostly waiting for the guy to go off and calculate things but he gave me a Â£5 voucher in the end that offset the extra charges. I felt kind of ridiculous on the phone about a pretty measly difference, but in my defence I just went onto chat to check and they were the ones who arranged a callback.

Why did you bother when Amazon knows there is a pro & has promised to refund any overcharge within the next week or so without the need to contact them?

I'll be giving them 14 days to refund before contacting them

byrnefm · 22-06-2021 7:45pm

I tried to take advantage of a lightning deal for some lights at £19.19 instead of £25.69. At checkout, it came to over £24 as import duty was incorrectly calculated. I got on to CS who said I "did" get the offer .. it's "just" the import duty. That was all they had to offer. I canceled the order, reordered to Strabane as "Click & Collect". £19.19.

What a shambles.

murpho999 · 22-06-2021 8:48pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Give a relative in the Uk and text and have them post it.

Or addresspal and take the 5 euro Vat hit

Do you really think everyone has a relative in the UK?

Solaris10 · 22-06-2021 9:07pm

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Order Summary
Item(s) Subtotal:£16.74

ForestFire · 22-06-2021 9:32pm

Okay as it's been such a crap sale, I've ended up buying a few items I need under VAT limit.

Then I saw some Kasa smart lights and Kasa smart plugs, that both the prime deal works, and no extra VAT ( or any at all).

Only thing is, I had to buy them 1 at a time each from two different accounts, to get the VAT free,and my 6th bulb would not go through, so move to other account.

So I now have 9 smart bulbs (£6.5 each) and 5 smart plugs (6.5 each also) on the way.....

That's about as exciting as it got unfortunately.....

teachinggal123 · 22-06-2021 9:47pm

I’m about to pull the trigger on the Samsung buds.

Can someone confirm what I should be paying please? Also what is the cash back thing?

Zimmerframe · 22-06-2021 9:50pm

TheDriver wrote: »

Get this whopper from Chat:

The price that is being paid is a discounted price from Amazon because of the prime day sale, however the Import fee would always be charged on the Original price of the item.

So VAT is charged on a price you don't pay, surely that is illegal. But now the CS assistant has said it!

Amazon always had a big issue with VAT and lightning deals, I posted here about it years ago. If you were registered for VAT back in the day, you obviously didn't pay VAT on deliveries to Ireland, however if it was a lighting deal you did. Showed the exluding VAt price, but charged the Vat inclusive price. So in a nutshell you paid more if the price was reduced.

harmless · 22-06-2021 9:50pm

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I’m about to pull the trigger on the Samsung buds.

Tulips?
Currently going through a bull run so prices change on the hour.

teachinggal123 · 22-06-2021 9:53pm

harmless wrote: »

Tulips?
Currently going through a bull run so prices change on the hour.

The Samsung Galaxy Buds ... what price should they be to Irish customers?

Canonfan · 22-06-2021 10:00pm

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The Samsung Galaxy Buds ... what price should they be to Irish customers?

Around €90. Samsung offers €45 cash back.

dan786 · 22-06-2021 10:01pm

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The Samsung Galaxy Buds ... what price should they be to Irish customers?

Just above 76£ delivered.

You have to claim the cashback from Samsung.

https://2021.samsungpromotions.claims/summercashback/en-IE

teachinggal123 · 22-06-2021 10:04pm

Are the Amazon Echo buds still available? Maybe I’m missing the obvious but I can’t see them.

How do they compare to the Samsung buds?

bossdrum · 22-06-2021 10:57pm

DevFirst wrote: »

I think that might be what's happening to you, check the product page and check if it's being sold by a third party seller and only being fulfilled by amazon, from what I've seen; some third party sellers don't take the 20% UK VAT off, and just add on 23% Irish VAT, which is indeed incorrect. Amazon UK/EU Sarl seem to remove the 20% UK then add the 23% Irish VAT correctly (from what I've seen, could be wrong).

Does anyone know If the UK VAT charged by the third party seller is going to be refunded by amazon in a few days as well or are we stuck with paying both Irish and UK VAT?

Amazon Prime Day 2021 - Monday 21st & Tuesday 22nd June

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