Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

normanoffside · 21-06-2021 12:25PM

normanoffside wrote: »

This is quite a crazy story from the golf in the states.
Golfer holding a 6 shot lead at the end of the third round is told he has to withdraw as he has just tested positive for Covid.

https://twitter.com/TJEckertKTUL/status/1401304515572273155

2 weeks later the same guy wins the US Open and goes to number 1 in the world Rankings.

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 12:31PM

Accidentally wrote: »

So if you can't travel within the country it's a lock down, but if you can't travel outside the country it's a restriction. Me arse.

I didn't make up the definitions.

hamburgham · 21-06-2021 12:34PM

normanoffside wrote: »

2 weeks later the same guy wins the US Open and goes to number 1 in the world Rankings.

World no. 1 male tennis player also tested positive last year. Hilarious. Since gone on to win the Australian and French Open. Was never really a fan of Djokovic but was especially delighted he won after all the abuse he got over his covid views. We all know if any high profile person expressed the 'wrong' view of covid, they paid for it.

normanoffside · 21-06-2021 12:52PM

hamburgham wrote: »

World no. 1 male tennis player also tested positive last year. Hilarious. Since gone on to win the Australian and French Open. Was never really a fan of Djokovic but was especially delighted he won after all the abuse he got over his covid views. We all know if any high profile person expressed the 'wrong' view of covid, they paid for it.

Yes the golfer in question (Jon Rahm) also got a lot of abuse because he hadn't been vaccinated.
By PGA rules he was only nominated as a close contact and tested daily because he hadn't been vaccinated. They broke the news he had tested positive as he came of the course 2 weeks ago holding a 6-shot lead after the third round.

He never had any symptoms and tested negative 4 days later.

Just goes to show how overly sensitive the PCR tests are.

Boggles · 21-06-2021 12:58PM

hamburgham wrote: »

World no. 1 male tennis player also tested positive last year. Hilarious. Since gone on to win the Australian and French Open. Was never really a fan of Djokovic but was especially delighted he won after all the abuse he got over his covid views. We all know if any high profile person expressed the 'wrong' view of covid, they paid for it.

You mean the anti vax lad who had to apologize for hosting the spreader event?

You think he has the 'right' views do you?

Timmy O Toole · 21-06-2021 01:04PM

hamburgham wrote: »

World no. 1 male tennis player also tested positive last year. Hilarious. Since gone on to win the Australian and French Open. Was never really a fan of Djokovic but was especially delighted he won after all the abuse he got over his covid views. We all know if any high profile person expressed the 'wrong' view of covid, they paid for it.

Have they heard about long covid though. He may need an arm amputated down the line

normanoffside · 21-06-2021 01:11PM

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Have they heard about long covid though. He may need an arm amputated down the line

He might also get Covid Toe

_Kaiser_ · 21-06-2021 02:03PM

It's OK folks.. Heather has had a chat with Drew ...

It is understood Mr Harris is to issue a communique to all members today instructing them to use discretion in enforcing licencing laws. The directive will effectively mean licenced premises which are acting responsibly will not be penalised or shut down, even if they are found to be technically in breach of licencing legislation, senior sources said.

The issue has caused widespread confusion for both business owners and the gardaí responsible for enforcing the law.

Speaking in Monaghan this morning, Minister for Justice Heather Humphreys said she has spoken to Mr Harris about the matter and “he has assured me the guards will apply discretion” and he will be issuing a communique to his organisation today to confirm that.

She also said she has spoken with the Attorney General on the matter and “if we have to make changes, we will do.”

Same as always. No foresight, no planning just reactive nonsense and when caught out the good ole "ah shure it'll be grand!" solution prevails :rolleyes:

Boggles · 21-06-2021 02:19PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Same as always. No foresight, no planning just reactive nonsense and when caught out the good ole "ah shure it'll be grand!" solution prevails :rolleyes:

What are you expecting to happen?

Issue highlighted, acting justice minister has spoken with Commissioner and AG.

If further action is needed, it can be done.

What exactly are your worries here that has initiated such fervent outrage and concern? Had you a dinner and drinks meet up canceled or what?

hamburgham · 21-06-2021 02:25PM

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Have they heard about long covid though. He may need an arm amputated down the line

Bookies aren't too worried about lond covid. Djoc is odds on favourite for Wimbledon too. Would love if he won all four slams this year. Would be the perfect two fingers to all those who demonised him over covid.

Accidentally · 21-06-2021 02:42PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I didn't make up the definitions.

No, but you are peddling them.

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 03:19PM

Accidentally wrote: »

No, but you are peddling them.

Wha'?

_Kaiser_ · 21-06-2021 03:28PM

Boggles wrote: »

What are you expecting to happen?

Issue highlighted, acting justice minister has spoken with Commissioner and AG.

If further action is needed, it can be done.

What exactly are your worries here that has initiated such fervent outrage and concern? Had you a dinner and drinks meet up canceled or what?

I don't why I'm bothering to reply to you and your usual guff, but nope - no plans cancelled at all so no points there I'm afraid.

See, I generally take the broader/bigger picture view on such things and as such I just expect a bit of competence and foresight/planning rather than the (over)reactive nonsense (which again has caused an issue in this case) that is the hallmark of our response to this whole situation and typifies what passes for Governance in this country generally.

Or are you of the view that this couldn't have been foreseen?

Boggles · 21-06-2021 03:41PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

See, I generally take the broader/bigger picture view on such things and as such I just expect a bit of competence and foresight/planning rather than the (over)reactive nonsense (which again has caused an issue in this case) that is the hallmark of our response to this whole situation and typifies what passes for Governance in this country generally.

TBF you are the one indulging in that particular folly.

As for taking the "bigger picture" - it was an oversight relating to local by laws as far as I understand it and it has now been sorted with minimal fuss.

Frothing outrage over so?

_Kaiser_ · 21-06-2021 03:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

TBF you are the one indulging in that particular folly.

As for taking the "bigger picture" - it was an oversight relating to local by laws as far as I understand it and it has now been sorted with minimal fuss.

Frothing outrage over so?

Thank you for once again proving my point for me.

Boggles · 21-06-2021 03:49PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Thank you for once again proving my point for me.

Is the point that the issue was so minor that it was sorted in a few hours on a Monday morning and the tangible effects to business going forward is absolute zero?

Most sensible observers would be happy.

gozunda · 21-06-2021 03:52PM

Boggles wrote: »

TBF you are the one indulging in that particular folly.

As for taking the "bigger picture" - it was an oversight relating to local by laws as far as I understand it and it has now been sorted with minimal fuss.

Frothing outrage over so?

Could be onto something there - it just may be one of the symptoms of the pandemic. I believe something similar happens with rabies....

RGS · 21-06-2021 03:56PM

Its appears the local supt in Galway got up on his high horse and had local gardai visit pubs and restaurants telling them they were acting illegally.

Surely any local supt should have sought clarity from HQ before instructing his charges to visit local pubs and restaurants.

The fix is the usual irish solution of turning a blind eye instead of putting in place proper regulations and laws.

The government spoke since February of a outdoor summer and not one of them had the foresight or competence to see the issue and come up with solutions. We are led by a bunch of overpaid yokels.

average_runner · 21-06-2021 04:03PM

hamburgham wrote: »

Bookies aren't too worried about lond covid. Djoc is odds on favourite for Wimbledon too. Would love if he won all four slams this year. Would be the perfect two fingers to all those who demonised him over covid.

People demonised him, but its not over covid, its a bigger issue

Boggles · 21-06-2021 04:18PM

RGS wrote: »

Its appears the local supt in Galway got up on his high horse and had local gardai visit pubs and restaurants telling them they were acting illegally.

Surely any local supt should have sought clarity from HQ before instructing his charges to visit local pubs and restaurants.

Not according to the locals.

Councillor Mike Crowe (FF) said three Gardaí visited a number of city centre pubs on Thursday afternoon informing them that drinking outdoors was not allowed under licensing laws.

“They warned publicans and restaurants that the area outside their premises is not covered by the licence, and therefore under national legislation, they are breaking the law, because they are not entitled to sell alcohol in non-licensed areas.

“The operators were told that this was an official warning, and they will be back again in a few days and if it persisted, they [Gardaí] would have no option but to issue a charge and forward files to the Director of Public Prosecution. You could not make this up.

“All of the big operators were visited, and received an official warning, and they will be charged if they persist. According to the guards, they’re getting instructions from [Garda headquarters in] Phoenix Park,” he said.

21-06-2021 04:28PM

Penfailed wrote: »

They are restrictions not a lockdown.

EDIT - Our third lockdown ended on the 12th of April. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns

I suppose if you can't convince people they're necessary and appropriate you move on yo what they're to be called.

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 04:47PM

ecoli3136 wrote: »

I suppose if you can't convince people they're necessary and appropriate you move on yo what they're to be called.

I'm not here to convince people they're necessary or appropriate. Put simply, anyone that thinks we are currently in lockdown is wrong.

TheDoctor · 21-06-2021 04:54PM

Penfailed wrote: »

They are restrictions not a lockdown.

EDIT - Our third lockdown ended on the 12th of April. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns

Longest combined national lockdown in the world per that table at 227 days.

We were very unlucky in this country to be the worst effected in the world.

paddyisreal · 21-06-2021 05:13PM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-asks-health-minister-to-explain-why-hotels-can-serve-people-indoors-while-other-restaurants-restricted-to-outdoor-dining-40562389.html

Was only a matter of time ! Can't wait to see what reply mister Donnelly comes up with probably tell the judge to talk to Tony as he doesn't make the decision !

Mitch Connor · 21-06-2021 05:22PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-asks-health-minister-to-explain-why-hotels-can-serve-people-indoors-while-other-restaurants-restricted-to-outdoor-dining-40562389.html

Was only a matter of time ! Can't wait to see what reply mister Donnelly comes up with probably tell the judge to talk to Tony as he doesn't make the decision !

I figured the restaurant could be used, but only by people staying in the hotel, as they are considered residents - and it is broadly considered me going to the kitchen to have some dinner. They are staying somewhere, and would need to be provided food.

Can I book a table in a hotel restaurant? I didn't think I could, and checking the Fota Island website, they say i can't - the restaurant is for residents only.

If I stay in a B&B at the moment I can get breakfast, why would a hotel restarant be treated differently, or why are B&Bs not being included in this legal action?

I would not be a resident of the local restaurant, so that is surely why they are different and it is a very easy explanation.

ceadaoin. · 21-06-2021 05:27PM

hamburgham wrote: »

World no. 1 male tennis player also tested positive last year. Hilarious. Since gone on to win the Australian and French Open. Was never really a fan of Djokovic but was especially delighted he won after all the abuse he got over his covid views. We all know if any high profile person expressed the 'wrong' view of covid, they paid for it.

If it was anyone else they would de described as a covid "survivor" and it would be portrayed as an amazing comeback story after their "battle". The wrong sort of person and its almost like some people are disappointed he didnt have a worse outcome because the inconvenience of him having absolutely nothing wrong with him since doesn't fit the narrative.

paddyisreal · 21-06-2021 05:28PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I figured the restaurant could be used, but only by people staying in the hotel, as they are considered residents - and it is broadly considered me going to the kitchen to have some dinner. They are staying somewhere, and would need to be provided food.

Can I book a table in a hotel restaurant? I didn't think I could, and checking the Fota Island website, they say i can't - the restaurant is for residents only.

If I stay in a B&B at the moment I can get breakfast, why would a hotel restarant be treated differently, or why are B&Bs not being included in this legal action?

I would not be a resident of the local restaurant, so that is surely why they are different and it is a very easy explanation.

Still doesn't explain why someone can eat in a restaurant while staying in a hotel but can eat outdoors else where hence the judge is asking....

A JUDGE has asked Health Minister Stephen Donnelly to explain why hotel restaurants have been allowed to serve customers indoors while other restaurants have been restricted to outdoor dining only.

Mr Justice Charles Meenan directed the filing of an affidavit by the minister explaining why “what effectively seem, on the face of it, to be similar services are treated differently”.

_Kaiser_ · 21-06-2021 05:57PM

Tony is at it again it seems. IT reporting:

Latest Covid-19 figures show a “concerning increase in transmission of the Delta variant in Ireland”, chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan has said.

“We estimate that Delta accounts for up to 20% of cases reported in the last week.

“We have also seen a number of outbreaks associated with this variant reported in the last week,” Dr Holohan said in Twitter post on Monday evening.

Surely a coincidence that we're getting close to the next decision point by the Government....

Deeper Blue · 21-06-2021 05:58PM

Tony is always concerned about something. Why should we care at this stage?

charlie14 · 21-06-2021 06:10PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-asks-health-minister-to-explain-why-hotels-can-serve-people-indoors-while-other-restaurants-restricted-to-outdoor-dining-40562389.html

Was only a matter of time ! Can't wait to see what reply mister Donnelly comes up with probably tell the judge to talk to Tony as he doesn't make the decision !

Not that it matters as the case will not be heard until after restaurants are open, but I don`t see him having much difficulty answering.
The numbers for breakfast, lunch or dinner in a hotel is limited to the number of residents in a hotel at any given time, and with hotels requiring credit card details upon check in are easily traced should there be a need to.
Neither would be the case with restaurants.

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