Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Beechwoodspark · 20-06-2021 06:23PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dear pubs/restaurants: You can only serve drink outdoors. Please note it is illegal to serve drink outdoors.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-say-outdoor-drinking-in-temporary-seating-areas-illegal-1.4598659?mode=amp

Proper order

Driving around last week I was amused to see all these “pop up” beer gardens

Some encroaching into the road and down right hazardous to traffic and pedestrians and of course the drinkers themselves

In a big town north Kildare there’s now a beer garden operating On a blind corner of a road.

Like literally out on the road so traffic has to go around the junction blindly then without warning swerve out onto the other side of the road to avoid driving into the beer garden seating.

Only a matter of time before there’s a crash there unfortunately the pub owner just wants to sell liquor and beer to all comers and “f safety” seems to be thrown to the wind.

A free for all is not sustainable

Good to see the guards pushing back

20-06-2021 06:26PM

Lumen wrote: »

That's a complete misrepresentation of the article.

Misrepresentation should be in the thread title in fairness

niallo27 · 20-06-2021 06:36PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Proper order

Driving around last week I was amused to see all these “pop up” beer gardens

Some encroaching into the road and down right hazardous to traffic and pedestrians and of course the drinkers themselves

In a big town north Kildare there’s now a beer garden operating On a blind corner of a road.

Like literally out on the road so traffic has to go around the junction blindly then without warning swerve out onto the other side of the road to avoid driving into the beer garden seating.

Only a matter of time before there’s a crash there unfortunately the pub owner just wants to sell liquor and beer to all comers and “f safety” seems to be thrown to the wind.

A free for all is not sustainable

Good to see the guards pushing back

Or just open ****en indoors like the rest of Europe and stop trying to control everything.

stephenjmcd · 20-06-2021 06:37PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Proper order

Driving around last week I was amused to see all these “pop up” beer gardens

Some encroaching into the road and down right hazardous to traffic and pedestrians and of course the drinkers themselves

In a big town north Kildare there’s now a beer garden operating On a blind corner of a road.

Like literally out on the road so traffic has to go around the junction blindly then without warning swerve out onto the other side of the road to avoid driving into the beer garden seating.

Only a matter of time before there’s a crash there unfortunately the pub owner just wants to sell liquor and beer to all comers and “f safety” seems to be thrown to the wind.

A free for all is not sustainable

Good to see the guards pushing back

So your using the example of 1 place to say proper order and good to see them pushing back... christ some people complain about everything

Beechwoodspark · 20-06-2021 06:39PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So your using the example of 1 place to say proper order and good to see them pushing back... christ some people complain about everything

I drive for a living and over the past week I could name a number of other “pop up beer gardens” in north Kildare which are encroaching into paths and roads thereby creating dangerous hazards

Yesterday I witnessed a middle aged lady in a wheelchair trying to get the attention of a waiter in one of these new “beer gardens” as it was blocking the path and her progress.

They had those canvas “dividers” marking out the beer garden on the path.

I was in a car with kids and couldn’t intervene but it looked like she was under a fair bit of emotional stress over it.

The drinkers seemed oblivious.

I’m sure others can think of more examples in their locality

Dempo1 · 20-06-2021 06:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Safe to say that'll be addressed early next week probably. You'd be hard pressed to find a Garda enforcing that

You couldn't make this up, 100"s of thousands grant aided extending outdoor spaces and no one thought to ask if it was legal to drink alcohol in these areas.

It will not be addressed quickly , its well established licensing law and would take a monumental effort to have legislation amended. Another farce. It begs the question, how exactly was serving pints to take way legal? These were being served in most cases out the front door of public houses?

stephenjmcd · 20-06-2021 06:45PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

You couldn't make this up, 100"s of thousands grant aided extending outdoor spaces and no one thought to ask if it was legal to drink alcohol in these areas.

It will not be addressed quickly , its well established licensing law and would take a monumental effort to have legislation amended. Another farce. It begs the question, how exactly was serving pints to take way legal? These were being served in most cases out the front door of public houses?

Serving takeaways is perfectly legal, its covered under the licence

As I said you'll be hard pressed to find a Garda bothered to enforce this. Someone in Galway was very bored because its not been an issue for 2 weeks.

Two of my mates are Gardai in Dublin City centre, sent them on the article and asked if either of their stations were enforcing this, the reply from one was a flat out no and the other said "are we f**k"

MerlinSouthDub · 20-06-2021 06:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Or just open ****en indoors like the rest of Europe and stop trying to control everything.

I don't think it's fair to compare with rest of Europe on this one. The reality is that an awful lot of drinking/eating happens outdoors in Europe anyway in the summer months. The streets of Paris, Rome, Athens etc are filled with outdoor terraces and most people want an outdoor table. We don't have the climate or the tables to do this. So opening indoors is a significantly higher risk in Ireland, because a lot more people will socialise indoors

niallo27 · 20-06-2021 06:53PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I drive for a living and over the past week I could name a number of other “pop up beer gardens” in north Kildare which are encroaching into paths and roads thereby creating dangerous hazards

Yesterday I witnessed a middle aged lady in a wheelchair trying to get the attention of a waiter in one of these new “beer gardens” as it was blocking the path and her progress.

They had those canvas “dividers” marking out the beer garden on the path.

I was in a car with kids and couldn’t intervene but it looked like she was under a fair bit of emotional stress over it.

The drinkers seemed oblivious.

I’m sure others can think of more examples in their locality

Maybe she was trying to order a can of cider.

Dempo1 · 20-06-2021 06:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Serving takeaways is perfectly legal, its covered under the licence

As I said you'll be hard pressed to find a Garda bothered to enforce this. Someone in Galway was very bored because its not been an issue for 2 weeks.

Two of my mates are Gardai in Dublin City centre, sent them on the article and asked if either of their stations were enforcing this, the reply from one was a flat out no and the other said "are we f**k"

Point taken, I'd be just concerned that recent events on South William Street might actually lead to Gardai being very, very cautious particularly later in the evening. I really don't think it's going to as straight forward one or two Gardai not enforcing the law. The press release came from HQ who might be setting down a marker to rank and file members.

TheDoctor · 20-06-2021 06:59PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dear pubs/restaurants: You can only serve drink outdoors. Please note it is illegal to serve drink outdoors.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-say-outdoor-drinking-in-temporary-seating-areas-illegal-1.4598659?mode=amp

suicide_circus wrote: »

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titan18 · 20-06-2021 08:02PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Serving takeaways is perfectly legal, its covered under the licence

As I said you'll be hard pressed to find a Garda bothered to enforce this. Someone in Galway was very bored because its not been an issue for 2 weeks.

Two of my mates are Gardai in Dublin City centre, sent them on the article and asked if either of their stations were enforcing this, the reply from one was a flat out no and the other said "are we f**k"

Tbf it could be an insurance thing so pubs/restaurants will be more careful. Its now been publicised it's not legal to serve drink there so if an incident happens that theres a claim against, they might not have much to stand on.

20-06-2021 08:02PM

It is after all a global pandemic, or so I've heard.

Extraordinary measures in the public interest are required, not least to preserve the economy.

Let businesses do what they can, and must, do.

I can't imagine anyone in this thread disagreeing.

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 08:09PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dear pubs/restaurants: You can only serve drink outdoors. Please note it is illegal to serve drink outdoors.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-say-outdoor-drinking-in-temporary-seating-areas-illegal-1.4598659?mode=amp

We truly are governed by a cabal of cretinous ass hats.

Penfailed · 20-06-2021 10:27PM

ArthurDayne wrote: »

This combined with the reality that people are already out and about and meeting in large crowds across the Republic (I believe Boggles used the term ‘hopping’ right, and I’m also looking across the Liffey at what looks like a fairly large demonstration at the convention centre here)

I was at this protest along with about 10k others. Most were wearing face masks but there was no social distancing.

Penfailed · 20-06-2021 10:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We've had large gatherings, but we haven't had large gatherings of 10,000+ people. And it's not just sitting in the stadium. It's the pubs, shops, buses, queues, toilets etc. that are also part of the experience.

You're correct that there is no such thing as a certainty, but if you're hiding behind that to pretend that having tens of thousands of people in close proximity wouldn't cause an increase, then you're lying to yourself in order to lend credence to your argument.

Lets see if there's an increase after the protest at the Convention Centre last Tuesday and the following march to Leinster House. There were around 10k attendees.

20-06-2021 11:06PM

Here’s another article about the selling of alcohol for outdoors. Sounds
like a mess!
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardaiwarn-takeaway-alcohol-cannot-be-served-at-new-on-street-seating-40560260.html

niallo27 · 20-06-2021 11:14PM

gansi wrote: »

Here’s another article about the selling of alcohol for outdoors. Sounds
like a mess!
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardaiwarn-takeaway-alcohol-cannot-be-served-at-new-on-street-seating-40560260.html

It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along.

20-06-2021 11:18PM

niallo27 wrote: »

It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along.

Definitely unbelievable stuff, meanwhile hotel guests can eat and drink inside while outdoors people can watch street fighting in some places! What had this country become!!

niallo27 · 20-06-2021 11:26PM

gansi wrote: »

Definitely unbelievable stuff, meanwhile hotel guests can eat and drink inside while outdoors people can watch street fighting in some places! What had this country become!!

We are a ****en joke, never mind that, nphet think we will stick our antigen tests in a tub of dairygold. The worst thing though is that peope will defend it to the death.

_Kaiser_ · 21-06-2021 08:15AM

Once again this latest expose shows the farce that is our Covid response.

No logic, no consistency, not even legal it seems. According to the guy from the restaurants industry on NT before the news there, the alcohol licensing applications aren't reviewed by the courts until September.

Have an outdoor summer they said. Then complain about the crowds, the mess, the violence (not that the last 2 are in any way acceptable by the way, but let's be honest - who couldn't see it coming), and to top it off it's not even permitted by laws anyway.

We really are governed by a bunch of incompetents who themselves are led by nothing more than social media hysteria and the diktats of a man with a serious ego and arrogance and whose performance is questionable at best.

Still, it's not surprising really. This is Ireland after all. As usual we can't just follow the examples elsewhere. We have to give it enough of an "Irish twist" to undermine the whole point and resulting in situations like this latest mess.

OwenM · 21-06-2021 09:18AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

We truly are governed by a cabal of cretinous ass hats.

The history of licensing legislation in this country is long and tortured, anyone remember holy hour:

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/0325/1038490-calling-time-on-holy-hour/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/longer-pub-opening-hours-come-into-operation-today-1.289498

Boggles · 21-06-2021 09:29AM

OwenM wrote: »

The history of licensing legislation in this country is long and tortured, anyone remember holy hour:

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/0325/1038490-calling-time-on-holy-hour/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/longer-pub-opening-hours-come-into-operation-today-1.289498

Holy Hour was another one of those laws that were roundly ignored.

Vicxas · 21-06-2021 09:40AM

For a people who love drink we really hate drinkers

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 10:49AM

niallo27 wrote: »

You can see by the way nphet spoke the other day that they think we are too stupid to be trusted so we must stayed locked down.

We're not currently locked down so how can we stay locked down?

OwenM · 21-06-2021 10:52AM

Vicxas wrote: »

For a people who love drink we really hate drinkers

It's not just us: https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40316093.html

The global temperance movement seems to be growing.

Boggles · 21-06-2021 11:43AM

Penfailed wrote: »

We're not currently locked down so how can we stay locked down?

Yeah but that fact is not conjusive to nonsensical ranting and raving.

We are still locked down, the pandemic is being managed by twitter comments and Tony wants to ban pints.

And that's that.

bear1 · 21-06-2021 11:45AM

To be honest, in some shape or form there is a degree of lockdown.
Can't eat indoors and can't freely travel abroad.

Penfailed · 21-06-2021 11:49AM

bear1 wrote: »

To be honest, in some shape or form there is a degree of lockdown.
Can't eat indoors and can't freely travel abroad.

They are restrictions not a lockdown.

EDIT - Our third lockdown ended on the 12th of April. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns

Accidentally · 21-06-2021 12:25PM

Penfailed wrote: »

They are restrictions not a lockdown.

EDIT - Our third lockdown ended on the 12th of April. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns

So if you can't travel within the country it's a lock down, but if you can't travel outside the country it's a restriction. Me arse.

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