The BBC again: ‘No whites need apply’

Shield · 20-06-2021 1:50pm #1

The BBC are at it again exploiting loopholes in equality law that allow them to advertise jobs specifically not for white people.

Got me thinking, I wonder could you just turn up at the interview and claim to identify as the race they’re looking to hire? It worked for Rachel Dolezal for a few years.

From the article: “Earlier this year, the BBC published its Diversity And Inclusion Plan, with a commitment to ensure its workforce comprises 50 per cent women, 20 per cent black and ethnic minority and 12 per cent disabled, to better reflect UK society” ...which will inevitably lead to people showing up identifying as a woman, identifying as BAME or claiming a hidden disability just to nail the job.

How can people ever show that they’re more than just a Diversity hire if they didn’t have to compete on the open market for a job?

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 1:55pm

How white are we talking here? Is there a dulux colour chart?

Thelonious Monk · 20-06-2021 1:56pm

Life is just getting harder and harder for white people

TomTomTim · 20-06-2021 2:02pm

The Banter Never Stops wrote: »

How will the BBC decide who is too white to apply? Blood tests? Skull measurements?

Blood and soil will be the metric :pac:

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:02pm

White people: Always the victim, it's never their fault.

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:06pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

White people: Always the victim, it's never their fault.

Do you support employment discrimination based on race? Yes or no?

Burt Renaults · 20-06-2021 2:07pm

Nothing new there. The Daily Mail offers a similar, albeit slightly better-paid, scheme.

https://www.journoresources.org.uk/job/stephen-lawrence-scholarship-dail-mail/

20-06-2021 2:08pm

cherrypicked occupation must meet cherrypicked ratio.

or ... boooo?

doesnt apply to all occupations of course.
you wouldnt find this applied to heart surgeons or high court judges.

because society would laugh you out the door.

Dante · 20-06-2021 2:14pm

What if I'm white but identify as brown?

TomTomTim · 20-06-2021 2:14pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

White people: Always the victim, it's never their fault.

This term was hardly mentioned on boards only a few year ago, yet now it is common, which shows how racially radical people have gotten in a short period of time. If you don't like white people, even if you are one, maybe you should move to Africa or the Middle East? Europeans don't have to tolerate this nonsense, especially in our own continent.

alchemist33 · 20-06-2021 2:17pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Life is just getting harder and harder for white people

In what way, compared to people who aren't white?

sydthebeat · 20-06-2021 2:18pm

Surely the "whites" can apply for the other 80% of jobs that are set aside for the non blacks.....

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:22pm

I think i've said this before but what the hey...

When i watched Lethal Weapon as a kid, it honesly didnt occur to me that Mel Gibson was white and Danny Glover was black. I experienced their characters as Mel Gibson being the crazy suicidal one and Danny Glover the jaded "too old for this sh1t" one. Race played no part it in it whatsoever, they were partners. If that movie were made today, race would probably be the central theme and that's sad. We're going backwards here.

joseywhales · 20-06-2021 2:22pm

Is 12% of society disabled?!?! Wtf are we doing?

sydthebeat · 20-06-2021 2:24pm

joseywhales wrote: »

Is 12% of society disabled?!?! Wtf are we doing?

Can you recognise a disabled person by looking at them??

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:25pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

If you don't like white people, even if you are one, maybe you should move to Africa or the Middle East? Europeans don't have to tolerate this nonsense, especially in our own continent.

Europeans did it to every other continent on Earth. About time the chickens came home to roost.

20-06-2021 2:26pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

How white are we talking here? Is there a dulux colour chart?

It's usually the "one-drop rule". Because they are racist as absolute ****.

And people should make no mistake—the useful idiots who are eager to **** on "the whites" today because it's considered acceptable and they're au fait with that, will just as easily turn their ire on any other skin colour should it become "the done thing" in five, or ten, or fifty years, when their racial identitarianism comes home to roost.

Take names. Never forget what they did in this moment.

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:26pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do you support employment discrimination based on race? Yes or no?

Do you?

Cordell · 20-06-2021 2:27pm

It's racist towards both white people and black people, a rare feat.

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:27pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Europeans did it to every other continent on Earth. About time the chickens came home to roost.

So it's time for modern Europeans to pay for the sins of a tiny fraction of their great great great grandfathers? A kind of blood libel if you will?

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:28pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Do you?

No sir, discrimination on the basis of race is bad.

Yakov P. Golyadkin · 20-06-2021 2:30pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

If you don't like white people, even if you are one, maybe you should move to Africa or the Middle East? Europeans don't have to tolerate this nonsense, especially in our own continent.

Because Europeans are a homogenously white people, from the Iberian peninsula to the wastes of Siberia, and from the Scottish Highlands to Thrace; One people, one colour.

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:30pm

Cordell wrote: »

It's racist towards both white people and black people, a rare feat.

Ah, but this is good racism

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:32pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

So it's time for modern Europeans to pay for the sins of a tiny fraction of their great great great grandfathers? A kind of blood libel if you will?

It is indeed yes. Europeans went to these countries and promoted minority positive discrimination in high end jobs, civil service and ownership of natural resources.

Having a few jobs in the bbc for minorities shouldn't be an issue, but white nativists are so insecure it's an outrage.

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:34pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

It is indeed yes. Europeans went to these countries and promoted minority positive discrimination in high end jobs, civil service and ownership of natural resources.

Having a few jobs in the bbc for minorities shouldn't be an issue, but white nativists are so insecure it's an outrage.

Edit:
So as not to defame you i will correct my statememt to read;

Do you realise you are espousing racism?

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:36pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do you realise that you are in fact a racist?

Do you realize that you are parroting white supremacist talking points on an internet forum on a summer's sunday afternoon. Time for a rethink of your life?

joseywhales · 20-06-2021 2:37pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Can you recognise a disabled person by looking at them??

I assume this is rhetorical but no I cannot. I assume there is some medical criteria and objective test to satisfy the status of "disabled" though. I am shocked that so many people are disabled. Like how are they all getting so badly hurt?

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:37pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Do you realize that you are parroting white supremacist talking points on an internet forum on a summer's sunday afternoon. Time for a rethink of your life?

Would you like to point out where i espouse White supremacy?

TomTomTim · 20-06-2021 2:37pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Europeans did it to every other continent on Earth. About time the chickens came home to roost.

Sins of the father. We're really going backwards under the guise of progress. In frankess, I pity people with your mindset, as you're full of hatred and spite like no other, and that must be hellish to live with.

TomTomTim · 20-06-2021 2:38pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Do you realize that you are parroting white supremacist talking points on an internet forum on a summer's sunday afternoon. Time for a rethink of your life?

You want vengeance against a whole race, yet you're telling others to look at their lives :pac:

sydthebeat · 20-06-2021 2:39pm

joseywhales wrote: »

I assume this is rhetorical but no I cannot. I assume there is some medical criteria and objective test to satisfy the status of "disabled" though. I am shocked that so many people are disabled. Like how are they all getting so badly hurt?

Why do you think you have to "get hurt" to be disabled?

I think your idea of what a disabled person is wildly twisted

13.5% of Irish society are disabled

joseywhales · 20-06-2021 2:40pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Europeans did it to every other continent on Earth. About time the chickens came home to roost.

This is madness, either we believe that every human is born with a clean slate or we have a system of inherited debt, which is it?

Not to mention some of these great European nations, did not colonize the world and were in fact the very same victims of colonisation. So how does that compute in your ledger of historical injustices?

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:41pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Would you like to point out where i espouse White supremacy?

right above this post. Reacting to positive discrimination for minorities from disadvantaged backgrounds as racism was a tactic of the US far right and KKK to sow division based on the affirmative action programs in the 90s. Stormfront had entire forums based on it. Congrats.

MontgomeryClift · 20-06-2021 2:41pm

I'm glad people like EnzoScifo are around to be honest about what's really going on here, that multiculturalism is colonisation, it is vengeance, and it is meant to be detrimental to the native people.

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:43pm

joseywhales wrote: »

This is madness, either we believe that every human is born with a clean slate or we have a system of inherited debt, which is it?

Not to mention some of these great European nations, did not colonize the world and were in fact the very same victims of colonisation. So how does that compute in your ledger of historical injustices?

It computes that Irish should be acutely aware of the discrimination faced by immigrants in the job market and should support programs to help.

No blacks, no dogs, no Irish was the slogan. People here would be happy to show the sign now that the Irish part is gone.

Shield · 20-06-2021 2:43pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Having a few jobs in the bbc for minorities shouldn't be an issue, but white nativists are so insecure it's an outrage.

If we play that game, can you not see how this ends up being a game of colourism? The Guardian article I linked to is an explainer if the term is new to anyone reading.

What happens when someone decides there are not enough people with an exact skin tone in the BBC? How do you end up policing that in your hiring policies without being called a racist?

TomTomTim · 20-06-2021 2:44pm

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

I'm glad people like EnzoScifo are around to be honest about what's really going on here, that multiculturalism is colonisation, it is vengeance, and it is meant to be detrimental to the native people.

All modern social justice works like this. You could see it back in 2015 with feminism, where female sexism would often be justified on the basis of past sexism. It was never about fairness, it was always been about vengeance.

suicide_circus · 20-06-2021 2:45pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

right above this post. Reacting to positive discrimination for minorities from disadvantaged backgrounds as racism was a tactic of the US far right and KKK to sow division based on the affirmative action programs in the 90s. Stormfront had entire forums based on it. Congrats.

You're literally advocating for blood libel against Europeans. You're not well.

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:47pm

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

I'm glad people like EnzoScifo are around to be honest about what's really going on here, that multiculturalism is colonisation, it is vengeance, and it is meant to be detrimental to the native people.

aka It was fine that white people were able to murder, pillage and rape with impunity around the world, but the minute that those who suffered move to colonial masters house to try to make a good life for themselves without the violence, rape and pillage part, it's revenge.

Says a lot more about the character of these people than the old colonial masters.

TomTomTim · 20-06-2021 2:47pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

It computes that Irish should be acutely aware of the discrimination faced by immigrants in the job market and should support programs to help.

No blacks, no dogs, no Irish was the slogan. People here would be happy to show the sign now that the Irish part is gone.

This is almost a new level of mental gymnastics. We were discriminated, so we should support more discrimination?

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:48pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

You're literally advocating for blood libel against Europeans. You're not well.

that sounded like it made sense in your head didn't it?

why do you have a victim mentality?

joseywhales · 20-06-2021 2:49pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Why do you think you have to "get hurt" to be disabled?

I think you're idea of what a disabled person is wildly twisted

13.5% of Irish society are disabled

I guess by definition disabled must be a minority otherwise what we see as a function or action that a human should be able to perform is incorrect as a large number of people cannot perform it. I'm not sure about "wildly twisted", that might be a bit of hyperbole for the word "incorrect". I'm not saying I expect all abled people to run 100m in 12 seconds but I really would have expected the status of disabled to be defined in such a way as to target about 5% of people who really cannot perform everyday simple tasks.

Burt Renaults · 20-06-2021 2:49pm

Can anyone tell me, is there any difference between what the Daily Mail is criticising the BBC for doing, and what the Daily Mail does itself?

20-06-2021 2:50pm

Burt Renaults wrote: »

Can anyone tell me, is there any difference between what the Daily Mail is criticising the BBC for doing, and what the Daily Mail does itself?

There is not.

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:50pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

This is almost a new level of mental gymnastics. We were discriminated, so we should support more discrimination?

discrimination can be positive and negative. Sounds like you're the one struggling with mental gymnastics to support your nativism. You're so ashamed of what you believe you try to make yourself feel better by dressing it up through cognitive dissonance.

grassylawn · 20-06-2021 2:53pm

I think it's reasonable to want the demographics of people on the TV to reflect the demographics of people in society.

There are very few black characters in kids books that aren't about social justice. I think that's sad. Why wouldn't you want to get books with kids that look like your kid without getting into race politics? My kid gets to imagine himself as all sorts of characters. (Then again he imagines himself as the black kid in A Snowy Day so it's probably another couple of years before they notice things like colour.)

Actually I think it's reasonable to want jobs in culture and society in generally to reflect the demographics of the population they serve. I'm not viewing it in terms of positive discrimination but rather as just having an effective cultural mirror, if that makes sense. It's not the same as something like computer programming, where the only factor is how well you can do the job.

joseywhales · 20-06-2021 2:53pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

that sounded like it made sense in your head didn't it?

why do you have a victim mentality?

But you have the victim mentality. You state that since the Irish were discriminated against we should support actions to redress the balance. But we don't feel like that, we see ourselves as peers, not victims, we don't allow things that happened before we were even born to affect how we value ourselves.

Shield · 20-06-2021 2:54pm

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Stormfront had entire forums based on it.

Wondering how you know what content is on Stormfront?

km991148 · 20-06-2021 2:54pm

I'm not a huge fan of positive discrimination. It has problems and can mean the best person for the job may actually miss out (however, the best person may only be the best person because they had opportunities available to them that others may not have had, but let's park that for a moment).

However, for those saying this is wrong, I'd like to know what alternatives should be in place to ensure we have a fairer work work force/ society.

Or is it just a case of 'I don't like it, leave things as they are'.. because I don't think that cuts it anymore.

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:55pm

joseywhales wrote: »

we don't allow things that happened before we were even born to affect how we value ourselves.

you are talking about us Irish here, right? Think about what you've said here for a second and come back to me.

EnzoScifo · 20-06-2021 2:56pm

Shield wrote: »

Wondering how you know what content is on Stormfront?

Because I did a thesis on far right internet subcultures.

The BBC again: ‘No whites need apply’

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